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The Senate Intelligence Committee report on torture suggests that more prisoners were subjected to waterboarding than the three the C.I.A. has acknowledged in the past.
The committee obtained a photograph of a waterboard surrounded by buckets of water at the prison in Afghanistan commonly known as the Salt Pit — a facility where the C.I.A. had claimed that waterboarding was never used.

The Senate report found that the detention and interrogation of Mr. Zubaydah and dozens of other prisoners were ineffective in giving the government “unique” intelligence information that the C.I.A. or other intelligence agencies could not get from other means.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/10/world ... .html?_r=0

Misty » 09 Dec 2014 7:47 pm » wrote: Read more at link in title.

Brattle Street » 09 Dec 2014 8:10 pm » wrote:sounds like they knew they screwed the pooch, so they might as well try convince people that the pooch enjoyed it.

Misty » 09 Dec 2014 8:06 pm » wrote: Two more of RichClem's lies put to bed.
1. We only waterboarded three people.
2. We gained actionable intelligence from it.

Misty » 14 Nov 2014 12:55 pm » wrote:


You don't even know me on a personal basis asswipe.

Misty » 09 Dec 2014 8:06 pm » wrote: Two more of RichClem's lies put to bed.
1. We only waterboarded three people.

2. We gained actionable intelligence from it.

greatnpowerfuloz » 09 Dec 2014 9:00 pm » wrote: People who have no friends outside of this place are often confused about the relationships here.

Misty » 09 Dec 2014 8:06 pm » wrote:Two more of RichClem's lies put to bed.
1. We only waterboarded three people.

RichClem » 11 Dec 2014 9:24 pm » wrote:I accepted the evidence that was provided and available at the time, which isn't a "lie," psycho.

Misty » 09 Dec 2014 8:06 pm » wrote:2. We gained actionable intelligence from it.

RichClem » 11 Dec 2014 9:24 pm » wrote:Which is a lie.....

Misty » 11 Dec 2014 9:44 pm » wrote:
That's what I said Kitten.

Ex-CIA Directors: Interrogations Saved Lives
The Senate Intelligence investigators never spoke to us—the leaders of the agency whose policies they are now assailing for partisan reasons.

....What is wrong with the committee’s report?

First, its claim that the CIA’s interrogation program was ineffective in producing intelligence that helped us disrupt, capture, or kill terrorists is just not accurate. The program was invaluable in three critical ways:

• It led to the capture of senior al Qaeda operatives, thereby removing them from the battlefield.

• It led to the disruption of terrorist plots and prevented mass casualty attacks, saving American and Allied lives.

• It added enormously to what we knew about al Qaeda as an organization and therefore informed our approaches on how best to attack, thwart and degrade it.

A powerful example of the interrogation program’s importance is the information obtained from Abu Zubaydah, a senior al Qaeda operative, and from Khalid Sheikh Muhammed, known as KSM, the 9/11 mastermind. We are convinced that both would not have talked absent the interrogation program.

Information provided by Zubaydah through the interrogation program led to the capture in 2002 of KSM associate and post-9/11 plotter Ramzi Bin al-Shibh. Information from both Zubaydah and al-Shibh led us to KSM. KSM then led us to Riduan Isamuddin, aka Hambali, East Asia’s chief al Qaeda ally and the perpetrator of the 2002 Bali bombing in Indonesia—in which more than 200 people perished.

The removal of these senior al Qaeda operatives saved thousands of lives because it ended their plotting. KSM, alone, was working on multiple plots when he was captured.

RichClem » 11 Dec 2014 10:01 pm » wrote:Here's your "lie," psycho.
Ex-CIA Directors: Interrogations Saved Lives

Misty » 11 Dec 2014 10:15 pm » wrote: Of course they have no reason to want to cover their asses, do they?

Misty » 11 Dec 2014 10:15 pm » wrote: Of course they have no reason to want to cover their asses, do they?

RichClem » 11 Dec 2014 10:20 pm » wrote: Only one or two would have been in office during the time in question, moonbat.
Why would the others lie?

RichClem » 11 Dec 2014 10:20 pm » wrote:Do you really think KSM would have cooperated within a reasonable period, if at all?

RichClem » 11 Dec 2014 10:23 pm » wrote: You didn't even read the details, did you.

RichClem » 11 Dec 2014 10:06 pm » wrote:I don't have the time.....

Misty » 11 Dec 2014 10:28 pm » wrote:

Why would people who worked for the CIA lie? Seriously?
The CIA's own investigator general has challenged the notion that Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Abu Zubaydah provided their best information only after harsh treatment. And the FBI contends that they got more information out of detainees without the use of harsh tactics.
They are lying to cover their asses and the asses of others in the CIA.

KSM fed them a pack of lies under waterboarding. He sent them off on a bunch of wild goose chases. That was in the CIA's own internal documents which were what the Senate Report was based on.

Misty » 11 Dec 2014 10:38 pm » wrote:Did you read the link I sent you about your BFF Golfboy lying yet?

RichClem » 11 Dec 2014 11:05 pm » wrote: Start correcting your many, many years of lies, and I will.

Psycho.

RichClem » 11 Dec 2014 11:05 pm » wrote:Start correcting your many, many years of lies, and I will.

RichClem » 11 Dec 2014 11:03 pm » wrote:You really think KSM, one of the most dangerous, radical, dedicated top terrorists, would have cooperated within a short time?
When everyone involved in national security was expecting more devastating attacks quite soon?

RichClem » 11 Dec 2014 11:03 pm » wrote:Imbecile.

RichClem » 11 Dec 2014 11:03 pm » wrote:The country was in terrible danger, and thanks to Clinton's neglect, we had almost no intell on Al Qaeda.