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golfboy » 17 Feb 2016 7:48 am » wrote:You mean where he said it was 21%?

Trump: "....unemployment at 42%...."
Kasich: "....I'm a democrat..."

Are you going to deny a direct quote in one but not the other?
Sucks when your own hypocritical standards get turn on you huh?

Huey » 17 Feb 2016 9:10 am » wrote:
No. But I didn't see anyone claiming he was. I saw a claim that Reagan changed how U3 or U6 unemployment is counted. That would be impossible because it was done in 94/96 and he wasn't president. He did change how service members were counted, counting them as employed. Which is true.

Are you seriously insisting that Reagan was pResident in 1994?

onlyaladd » 17 Feb 2016 9:11 am » wrote: Trump: "....unemployment at 42%...."
Kasich: "....I'm a democrat..."

Are you going to deny a direct quote in one but not the other?
Sucks when your own hypocritical standards get turn on you huh?

Not exactly what trump said, note your edit before and after, but it is a pants on fire statement based on how he got the number:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... e-42-perc/

Cannonpointer » 17 Feb 2016 9:24 am » wrote: Are you seriously insisting that Reagan was pResident in 1994?

Nope. I am seriously insisting he did not change the way the U6/U3 is counted. Unless YOU ARE insisting he was president in 1994.

Huey » 17 Feb 2016 9:25 am » wrote:
Not exactly what trump said, note your edit before and after, but it is a pants on fire statement based on how he got the number:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... e-42-perc/

That's my point. It was a shot at goof.

Huey » 17 Feb 2016 9:26 am » wrote:
Nope. I am seriously insisting he did not change the way the U6/U3 is counted. Unless YOU ARE insisting he was president in 1994.

So you are jumping in to maintain scrupulous integrity in the matter of that side ssue, while looking past the original and larger issue from which it sprang - that being the contested utterances of mr. trump - that about size it up, captain saveaho?

And then you're going to be convinced that I trolled you, right?

If you want in, get down on the real issue - then we can work the minutia - including your preposterous insistence that the reagan presidency went 14 years.

Cannonpointer » 17 Feb 2016 9:32 am » wrote: So you are jumping in to maintain scrupulous integrity in the matter of that side ssue, while looking past the original and larger issue from which it sprang - that being the contested utterances of mr. trump - that about size it up, captain saveaho?

And then you're going to be convinced that I trolled you, right?

If you want in, get down on the real issue - then we can work the minutia - including your preposterous insistence that the reagan presidency went 14 years.

Note my post to onlyaladd.

onlyaladd » 17 Feb 2016 9:11 am » wrote: Trump: "....unemployment at 42%...."
Kasich: "....I'm a democrat..."

Are you going to deny a direct quote in one but not the other?
Sucks when your own hypocritical standards get turn on you huh?

Liberaland: 20% is the new 42%

Huey » 17 Feb 2016 9:25 am » wrote: Not exactly what trump said, note your edit before and after, but it is a pants on fire statement based on how he got the number:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... e-42-perc/

You're not expecting honesty out of these people, are you?

golfboy » 17 Feb 2016 9:37 am » wrote: Liberaland: 20% is the new 42%

Right over your head huh?
Either both the trump 42 and the Kasich is a dem statements are true or both false because they were cut out of context dishonnestly.

You (correctly) recognize the Trump one is false but repeatedly insisted that Kasich was a dem after YOU dishonnestly cut his quote out of context.

Get it?

golfboy » 17 Feb 2016 9:39 am » wrote: You're not expecting honesty out of these people, are you?

Not something I would use in a political speech. It is akin to Obama saying “lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year".

I'm sure he did "see" or "hear" someone say that. But the math was wrong.

Politicians take worst case or best case numbers to try and sway the lowest common denominator or ignorant among their base.

Huey » 17 Feb 2016 9:34 am » wrote: Note my post to onlyaladd.

I don't get it.

The politifact article you link him to says that trump proclaimed america's unemployment to be at 42%. Are you and politifact calling goofy a liar?

Cannonpointer » 17 Feb 2016 9:53 am » wrote: I don't get it.

The politifact article you link him to says that trump proclaimed america's unemployment to be at 42%. Are you and politifact calling goofy a liar?

A liar? No. Misinformed? Yes.

onlyaladd » 17 Feb 2016 9:50 am » wrote: Right over your head huh?
Either both the trump 42 and the Kasich is a dem statements are true or both false because they were cut out of context dishonnestly.

You (correctly) recognize the Trump one is false but repeatedly insisted that Kasich was a dem after YOU dishonnestly cut his quote out of context.

Get it?

I get that you're trying to deflect from your faceplant.
20% <> 42%, no matter how many times you claim otherwise.

Cannonpointer » 17 Feb 2016 9:53 am » wrote: I don't get it.

The politifact article you link him to says that trump proclaimed america's unemployment to be at 42%. Are you and politifact calling goofy a liar?

He clearly says the rate was 20%, then says he's seen claims as high as 42%.
You can continue to misrepresent this, but it's you who are being dishonest.

golfboy » 17 Feb 2016 9:39 am » wrote: You're not expecting honesty out of these people, are you?

Yet you and Trump are the ones lying.
None of Trumps numbers he threw out there match reality, you defended the 40+ number, and you lied about Kasich and ran away.

Huey » 17 Feb 2016 9:54 am » wrote:
A liar? No. Misinformed? Yes.

I don't think you have a very strong vocabulary.

Misinformed would mean we did not inform him. You saw us do it.

I think you've called him a liar. And I SUSPECT you are also about to insist that he's a bathrooming closet gay.

Be honest - is that where this is headed?

onlyaladd » 17 Feb 2016 9:56 am » wrote: Yet you and Trump are the ones lying.
None of Trumps numbers he threw out there match reality, you defended the 40+ number, and you lied about Kasich and ran away.

lol... I've defended nothing, I simply explained the math to you.
You admitted you were wrong and even apololgized for it, yet now continue to call ME a liar. How stupid is that?

onlyaladd » 16 Feb 2016 6:32 pm » wrote:I rechecked that quote. It was actually from David Stockman from mistys link. It's where Trump got the figure he threw out there. My apologies.
He did think it was worth repeating however then sort of kind of settled on 20. I'll let you prove any of this **** is true.

golfboy » 17 Feb 2016 9:55 am » wrote: I get that you're trying to deflect from your faceplant.
20% <> 42%, no matter how many times you claim otherwise.

No you are defecting ****. I'm making a parallel between your bold face Kasich lie and misrepresenting that Trump believes it is 42. I AGREE with you that he settled on 20 after bringing up 42 as a legit possibility.

Don't lie about me again.
And stop running from your Kasich faceplant.

golfboy » 17 Feb 2016 9:56 am » wrote: He clearly says the rate was 20%, then says he's seen claims as high as 42%.
You can continue to misrepresent this, but it's you who are being dishonest.

Misty » 16 Feb 2016 9:59 pm » wrote:
Trumps own words from an interview in Time Magazine in August, 2015:



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