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Another windbag, full of empty rhetoric and BS. Missy Poo has for years claimed that "Bush lie" about WMD's. Why don't you comment on the following? awwwwwww a little silly troll thinks he can troll me. Get your bosses boss here and tell me about it. Until then, Your surrogate game whoring is under deconstruction. You are not qualified.

Missy Poo has for years claimed that "Bush lie" about WMD's. New evidence: CIA and MI6 were told before invasion that Iraq had no active WMDFresh evidence is revealed today about how MI6 and the CIA were told through secret channels by Saddam Hussein's foreign minister and his head of intelligence that Iraq had no active weapons of mass destruction.Tony Blair told parliament before the war that intelligence showed Iraqs nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programme was active, growing and up and running.A special BBC Panorama programme tonight will reveal how British and US intelligence agencies were informed by top sources months before the invasion that Iraq had no active WMD programme, and that the information was not passed to subsequent inquiries.It describes how Naji Sabri, Saddams foreign minister, told the CIA's station chief in Paris at the time, Bill Murray, through an intermediary that Iraq had virtually nothing in terms of WMD.Sabri said in a statement that the Panorama story was totally fabricated.However, Panorama confirms that three months before the war an MI6 officer met Iraq's head of intelligence, Tahir Habbush al-Tikriti, who also said that Saddam had no active WMD. The meeting in the Jordanian capital, Amman, took place days before the British government published it's now widely discredited Iraqi weapons dossier in September 2002.Lord Butler, the former cabinet secretary who led an inquiry into the use of intelligence in the runup to the invasion of Iraq, tells the programme that he was not told about Sabri's comments, and that he should have been.Butler says of the use of intelligence: There were ways in which people were misled or misled themselves at all stages.When it was suggested to him that the body that probably felt most misled of all was the British public, Butler replied: Yes, I think they're, they're, they got every reason think that.The programme shows how the then chief of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove, responded to information from Iraqi sources later acknowledged to be unreliable.One unidentified MI6 officer has told the Chilcot inquiry that at one stage information was being torn off the teleprinter and rushed across to Number 10″.Another said it was wishful thinking (that) promised the crock of gold at the end of the rainbow.The programme says that MI6 stood by claims that Iraq was buying uranium from Niger, though these were dismissed by other intelligence agencies, including the French.It also shows how claims by Iraqi's were treated seriously by elements in MI6 and the CIA even after they were exposed as fabricated including claims, notably about alleged mobile biological warfare containers, made by Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, a German source codenamed Curveball. He admitted to the Guardian in 2011 that all the information he gave to the west was fabricated.Panorama says it asked for an interview with Blair but he said he was too busy.

Why don't you comment on the following? Top Obama intelligence official James Clapper says that Syria has Iraqi WMD's that were sent there before the war.In 2003, Clapper, then head of the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, attempted to explain the absence of WMDs in Iraq by asserting that the weapons materials were "unquestionably" shipped out of Iraq to Syria and other countries just before the American invasion, a "personal assessment" which Clapper's own agency head at the time, David Burpee, "could not provide further evidence to support."LINKEven the right wing Moonie Times said that Clapper's claims about WMDs being moved to Syria were disputed.Intel chief nominee Clapper held disputed Iraq WMD view.Clem: Why would Obama have chosen such an obvious lunatic for such an important position?Because, according to you Obama is a complete failure who has never done anything right.....you're too hopelessly dishonest to admit what an obvious failure Obama is.Obama's a failure, duuuh.I thought voters would see what an obvious failure Obama is. I don't see you defending his horrific record.Gosh, I expected people to show common sense and realize what an obvious failure Obama is.Doesn't change the obvious reality that he's a failure as president....Anyone with eyes can see that.

Top Obama intelligence official James Clapper says that Syria has Iraqi WMD's that were sent there before the war. Why would Obama have chosen such an obvious lunatic for such an important position? Even the right wing Moonie Times said that Clapper's claims about WMDs being moved to Syria were disputed. Because, according to you Obama is a complete failure who has never done anything right. How typically dishonest. Dodge my question with yet another cowardly evasion. General Clapper is obviously someone who never bought your Democrat Talking Point Lie that "Bush lied" about WMD's. He believes Iraq had WMDs, that are now in Syria, shipped there before the war. Why would Obama hire someone for such a key position who agrees with Bush's (and both Clinton's and top Dems' and every US intelligence agency belief) that Iraq did have WMDs? Which was the near-unanimous agreement before the Iraq War got tough? It certainly reveals you as a shameless liar. Yes, Obama absolutely is a failure on the economy, on health care, on energy, on almost everything domestic.

How typically dishonest. Dodge my question with yet another cowardly evasion. I dodged nothing. Clapper is the new Schippers. Someone you choose to believe simply because it fits your agenda. General Clapper is obviously someone who never bought your Democrat Talking Point Lie that "Bush lied" about WMD's. He believes Iraq had WMDs, that are now in Syria, shipped there before the war. And there are those who disagree with him. Speaking to reporters in October 2003, Clapper suggested that the illicit weapons had "unquestionably" been moved to Syria: The official, James R. Clapper Jr., a retired lieutenant general, said satellite imagery showing a heavy flow of traffic from Iraq into Syria, just before the American invasion in March, led him to believe that illicit weapons material "unquestionably" had been moved out of Iraq. [...] He said he was providing a personal assessment. But he said "the obvious conclusion one draws" was that there "may have been people leaving the scene, fleeing Iraq, and unquestionably, I am sure, material." A spokesman for General Clapper's agency, David Burpee, said he could not provide further evidence to support the general's statement.LINK So Clapper saw a heavy flow of traffic out of Iraq before the invasion and that led him to believe that illicit weapons material "unquestionably" had been moved out of Iraq. No proof of course. The fact that this was just his personal assessment and that his own spokesman said that he could not provide further evidence to support the general's statement I guess is irrelevant to you. Cem: Why would Obama hire someone for such a key position.... Because in your own words, he's a complete and utter failure. I guess he just got this one thing right. ROFL

I dodged nothing. Clapper is the new Schippers. Someone you choose to believe simply because it fits your agenda. And there are those who disagree with him. So Clapper saw a heavy flow of traffic out of Iraq before the invasion and that led him to believe that illicit weapons material "unquestionably" had been moved out of Iraq. No proof of course. The fact that this was just his personal assessment and that his own spokesman said that he could not provide further evidence to support the general's statement I guess is irrelevant to you. Because in your own words, he's a complete and utter failure. I guess he just got this one thing right. ROFL I am not claiming that he is correct, simply that even Obama is willing to hire someone who still believes that Iraq had WMDs; that Bush was correct in his assessment that Iraq was a dangerous threat because of it. As former CIA Director James Woolsey noted, there is rarely proof in the field of intelligence. Obama's hiring of Clapper reveals your Democrat Talking Point Lie that "Bush lied!" about WMDs. That's bulls***. Bush said little different than Bill Clinton, his cabinet Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and other high ranking Democrats. You're a scurrilous liar.

I am not claiming that he is correct, simply that even Obama is willing to hire someone who still believes that Iraq had WMDs; that Bush was correct in his assessment that Iraq was a dangerous threat because of it.There are pages and pages of you declaring Obama to be a complete and utter failure, yet you are willing to give him credit for this one thing, because you continue to want to cling to the theory that Bush actually believed that Iraq had WMDs.Face it Puss. We were lied into a war.Everyone knows it but you, Lt. Hiroo Onoda.

Face it Puss. We were lied into a war. Everyone knows it but you, Lt. Hiroo Onoda. So even though Clinton,his entire cabinet, every US intelligence agency, every major foreign intelligence agency, Clapper, Hillary Clinton and all relevant Dems agreed with Bush that Iraq had WMDs, only Bush lied. Yes, you're a hopelessly dishonest troll.

So even though Clinton,his entire cabinet, every US intelligence agency, every major foreign intelligence agency, Clapper, Hillary Clinton and all relevant Dems agreed with Bush that Iraq had WMDs, only Bush lied.You can repeat that **** 1,000 times Rainman.Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice (with her smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud) lied us into a war.And they dragged poor Colin Powell into their web of deceit, putting what he calls a 'blot' on his record that he will always regret.

So even though Clinton,his entire cabinet, every US intelligence agency, every major foreign intelligence agency, Clapper, Hillary Clinton and all relevant Dems agreed with Bush that Iraq had WMDs, only Bush lied. Yes, you're a hopelessly dishonest troll. You can repeat that **** 1,000 times Rainman. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice (with her smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud) lied us into a war. And they dragged poor Colin Powell into their web of deceit, putting what he calls a 'blot' on his record that he will always regret. What a pathetic sack of lying s*** you are. Only Bush & company lied, even though almost everyone agreed with them. Sure, right. Go sell a used bridge, moonbat.

Only Bush & company lied, even though almost everyone agreed with them.What about the many who disagreed?I guess they don't count.Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction - Did "Everyone" Agree? - June 12, 2008The claim that the entire world agreed Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq has been asserted countless times by the Bush administration and its supporters since we all learned it was the stuff of fiction. "Everybody agreed," former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow told Wolf Blitzer in May 2007. "We all thought that the intelligence case was strong," Condoleezza Rice said in April 2007, adding that even, "the U.N weapons inspectors (thought) Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. So theres no blame here of anyone." Etc., etc.The media almost always embrace this excuse, as well. Yet former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan"s revelatory new memoir, together with the quietly released report on intelligence manipulation by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, leave no doubt that the Bush administration took the nation into war on false pretenses of mushroom clouds and weapons trailers.Karl Rove, for example, told Bill O'Reilly on May 29 when talking about McClellan's book that, "everybody in the West, every major intelligence agency in the world, thought that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction."We hate to be the proverbial skunk at this garden party, but let's roll back the clock for a moment to see what "everyone" actually said and thought at the time.Let us begin with America's own intelligence agencies. Did they agree there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?Well, no. The aforementioned Select Committee on Intelligence report, which was signed by all of the committee's Democrats, along with two Republicans, said that while the administration's statements on Iraq's nuclear capabilities were supported by some intelligence, the administration's statements, "did not convey the substantial disagreements that existed in the intelligence community."On the issue of weapons of mass destruction in general, the report found that administration officials exhibited a "higher level of certainty than the intelligence judgments themselves." The report also found that, "Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq's chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence communitys uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing."We know also that the Bush administration encouraged the CIA to go as far as possible in supporting its case. The Washington Post reported in June 2003 that Cheney and his Chief of Staff, Scooter Libby, personally visited CIA analysts working on the National Intelligence Estimate of 2002 in order to inspire a re-examination of the case, something that no one could remember happening in any previous administration.Top administration officials, including President Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney, were also aware of some notable people in the intelligence community who disagreed about WMD claims. Tyler Drumheller, the former chief of the CIA's Europe division, revealed on "60 Minutes" that in the fall of 2002 President Bush, Vice President Cheney, then-National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and others were told by CIA Director George Tenet that Iraq's foreign minister-who agreed to act as a spy for the United States-had reported that Iraq had no active weapons of mass destruction program. Two former senior CIA officials later confirmed this account to Salon's Sidney Blumenthal.Secretary of State Colin Powell also disagreed at one time-although well before his much-publicized speech to the United Nations in February 2003. Speaking two years earlier in Cairo, Powell had this to say: "He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."Anthony Zinni, the Marine general who commanded the air assault in the first Gulf War, also had doubts. "Up until Desert Fox, I believed that (Saddam) had WMD," he told authors Derek Chollet and James Goldgeier. "Then Clinton said we would bomb the WMD sites. I asked the intelligence community for the targets, but they couldn't give me any. Nothing they gave me was definitively a WMD target. They were all dual-use. That's when my doubts began."Intelligence agencies and top administration officials aside, who else didn't agree that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction?..............You can read more about others who did not agree, including politicians, media outlets (both domestic and foreign) and international agencies tasked with carrying out inspections in Iraq, at the link in the title, but of course you won't.

What about the many who disagreed? I guess they don't count. Another deceitful evasion. Why aren't you accusing Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and all Democrats who had access to the raw intelligence of lying, too?n They'd said Iraq had WMDs and was a dangerous threat to the US even before Bush took office. Because you're a lying, spamming sack of s***. Even though Clinton,his entire cabinet, every US intelligence agency, every major foreign intelligence agency, Clapper, Hillary Clinton and all relevant Dems agreed with Bush that Iraq had WMDs, you claim only Bush lied.

Another deceitful evasion.Why aren't you accusing Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and all Democrats who had access to the raw intelligence of lying, too? They'd said Iraq had WMDs and was a dangerous threat to the US even before Bush took office.Because you're a lying, spamming sack of s***.Even though Clinton,his entire cabinet, every US intelligence agency, every major foreign intelligence agency, Clapper, Hillary Clinton and all relevant Dems agreed with Bush that Iraq had WMDs, you claim only Bush lied.How many times are you going to post that ****?You wanna talk about what people said in the 90's?The International Atomic Energy Agency declared in 1998 that Iraq's nuclear program had been completely dismantled.The UN Special Commission on Iraq estimated then that at least 95 percent of Iraq's chemical weapons program had been similarly accounted for and destroyed.UNSCOM noted in 1998 that virtually all of Iraq's offensive missiles and other delivery systems had been accounted for and rendered inoperable.Face it the intelligence was manipulated and massaged, to put it generously.In 2005 Colin Powell told David Frost, "What really upset me more than anything else was that there were people in the intelligence community that had doubts about some of this sourcing, but those doubts never surfaced to us. I was deeply disappointed in what the intelligence community had presented to me and to the rest of us, and what really upset me more than anything else was that there were people in the intelligence community that had doubts about some of this sourcing, but those doubts never surfaced up to us."So much for your assertion that every US intelligence agency agreed that Iraq had WMD.Is Colin Powell a liar too?

Richard Blumenthal Blasts NRA Over Newtown Robocall CampaignSen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) blasted the National Rifle Association on Monday, calling the organization's recent robocall campaign in Newtown, Conn., a "repugnant tactic" that "mocks and betrays the courage and compassion demonstrated by the Newtown community."In a guest blog post for ThinkProgress, Blumenthal criticized the NRA for "injecting its fear-based messages into the homes ... of a grieving community.""NRA leadership demonstrated yet again last week just how low they are willing to go in their unconscionable effort to block any common sense, life saving gun violence legislation," Blumenthal wrote.The NRA came under fire Thursday for launching a pro-gun robocall and postcard campaign. The organization urged Newtown residents to contact their state senators to express their opposition to gun-control legislation in the Connecticut General Assembly."Despite an outcry of public opposition, anti-gun legislators are aggressively pursuing numerous proposals that are designed to disarm and punish law-abiding gun owners and sportsmen," the robocall states.Several Newtown residents told The Huffington Post that they were offended by the NRA's campaign.Read more and listen to a robocall at the link in the title.

Why aren't you accusing Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and all Democrats who had access to the raw intelligence of lying, too?n They'd said Iraq had WMDs and was a dangerous threat to the US even before Bush took office.Because you're a lying, spamming sack of s***.Even though Clinton,his entire cabinet, every US intelligence agency, every major foreign intelligence agency, Clapper, Hillary Clinton and all relevant Dems agreed with Bush that Iraq had WMDs, you claim only Bush lied.How many times are you going to post that ****?You wanna talk about what people said in the 90's?The International Atomic Energy Agency declare.....Oh look, she stonewalled my questions and my key points AGAIN.Who'd ever have expected that. Why aren't you accusing Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, and all Democrats who had access to the raw intelligence of lying, too? They'd said Iraq had WMDs and was a dangerous threat to the US even before Bush took office.Even though Clinton,his entire cabinet, every US intelligence agency, every major foreign intelligence agency, Clapper, Hillary Clinton and all relevant Dems agreed with Bush that Iraq had WMDs, you claim only Bush lied.Because you're a lying, spamming sack of s***.Here are just a few of the claims Democrats made, not one of whom you've accused of lying."One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."Letter to President Clinton, signed by:-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."Letter to President Bush, Signed by:-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."-- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."-- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Read more and listen to a robocall at the link in the title. Gosh, the NRA is defending a constitutional right against voracious, self serving politicians? Shocking! So much for your assertion that every US intelligence agency agreed that Iraq had WMD. Is Colin Powell a liar too? Nothing in his statement contradicted my claim that every US intelligence agency thought Iraq had WMDs. Lie much?

Some dead Kurds for you Misty...gassed by Saddam Hussein.You gonna deny this?If not then the real question is what did Saddam do with his WMDs?We all know this, too. If you don't then might I suggest a little lite reading in The Mighty Horse Thread?

Here are just a few of the claims Democrats made, not one of whom you've accused of lying.I will leave aside what was said in the 90's as it is irrelevant to the invasion in 2003.To the extent that these people believed what they were saying, it's because the intelligence was being coaxed, massaged and manipulated by the Bush administration.

Gosh, the NRA is defending a constitutional right against voracious, self serving politicians? Shocking!So you have no problem with them making these robocalls in Newtown Connecticut of all places?You don't find that the least bit inappropriate or incredibly insensitive?Why am I not surprised?You lack any kind of basic decency.

Gosh, the NRA is defending a constitutional right against voracious, self serving politicians? Shocking! So you have no problem with them making these robocalls in Newtown Connecticut of all places? You don't find that the least bit inappropriate or incredibly insensitive? Why am I not surprised? You lack any basic decency. I "lack any basic decency," the smear artist drools over her keyboard. The legislation is being proposed in Connecticut, moonbat. So where should they lobby, Mongolia? Here are just a few of the claims Democrats made, not one of whom you've accused of lying. I will leave aside what was said in the 90's as it is irrelevant to the invasion in 2003. Thanks for revealing that you paid scant attention to the quotes, most of which came from after Bush took office. To the extent that these people believed what they were saying, it's because the intelligence was being coaxed, massaged and manipulated by the Bush administration. Yes, yes, that is the pertinent Democrat Talking Point Lie. You're so talented at regurgitating them. However, the fact is, Democrats had access to the raw intelligence, as well as to Bill Clinton and his former cabinet members. Even the intelligence services of countries that opposed the war, like Germany and France, believed that Iraq had WMD's. It was the French who insisted adamantly that the aluminum tubes were not for artillery, but for centrifuges. Any other lies you'd like to repeat, troll?