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Donald Trump said in an interview Thursday that he would support trying US citizens suspected of terrorism in military tribunals -- a controversial proposal that would likely be challenged as unconstitutional.

The Republican presidential nominee told the Miami Herald that he doesn't "at all" like the idea of trying terrorist suspects in the civilian court system, even though US citizens are constitutionally entitled to due process.

He added that he would be "fine" with trying US citizens in military tribunals at Guantánamo Bay, the US naval base that is also home to a military prison housing captured terror suspects.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/11/politics/ ... d=27600776

“What long cons rely on is that we’re emotional about the people we like, about the people we trust…we feel some sort of emotional connection and we dismiss red flags…because the moment where we’re emotionally invested, we are no longer logical, we are no longer looking objectively, we are subjective…and so you dismiss the evidence.”

Konnikova believes that this is exactly what is happening to those traveling with tickets on the Trump Train. Victims of con artists tend to be emotionally vulnerable because they are experiencing moments of change and transition—much like the shifting landscape of America that is happening now.

“If you look at the types of people to whom Trump appeals, they are typical victims…He found his marks and he is actually reeling them in the way a very good con artist would,” Konnikova declared.

“Once you’re hooked, once the con artist has you…basically nothing anyone else can say can convince you are being conned because you become a true believer,” she said.

“In order to acknowledge that you are being conned, you have to acknowledge that you are the type of person who could be conned, that you didn’t see it and that you have been taken along for a ride by a con artist.”

“Most people will say ‘of course I’m smart, of course I’m a good judge of character…I’m not someone who is easily taken in’…and to say ‘I’ve been taken in by a con artist’…that really hurts at that core self….So no matter what evidence you put before them, their ego, they clamp down and protect themselves.”

Misty » 12 Aug 2016 1:52 pm » wrote:

Huey » 14 Aug 2016 4:54 pm » wrote: What is wrong with that?

Army Vet J.R. Martinez to Donald Trump: Stop Disrespecting Military Veterans and Fallen Soldiers


J.R.Martinez


Dear Donald Trump,

I'm a firm believer that politics should be kept out of our military and that our military should be kept out of politics.

However, over the last week, a line was crossed not just between politics and our military but between personal ideology and human decency.

You recently told a crowd of your supporters, upon receiving a replica Purple Heart, that you'd, "always wanted to get the Purple Heart. This was much easier."

Mr. Trump, I'm not a campaign manager. I can't tell you how to run this race. But I say this as someone who knows you. I've met you before and you seemed as though you genuinely cared about my service and sacrifice. I wonder which version is the real you.

I am a proud post-9/11 U.S. Army veteran and Purple Heart recipient.

When I first joined the military, like many other service members, I had dreams of serving valiantly and one day receiving many military accolades in service of our great nation.

In April 2003, the humvee I was driving outside of Karbala, Iraq, ran over a roadside bomb.

The passengers were immediately ejected as a result of the blast, but I was trapped inside the burning vehicle for five minutes.

I can tell you without equivocation that the one award I did not want to receive was a Purple Heart, but I got one anyway. And I'll tell you now, I didn't get mine the easy way.

I came home to my mother with third-degree burns over 33% of my body. I have had 30-plus surgeries to repair the skin grafts and tissue expanders since 2003.

I came home a Purple Heart recipient, but my mother knew that we were only a few heartbeats away from giving her a new designation — a Gold Star.

So far you seem to have denigrated a prisoner of war, disparaged a four-star general who devoted his life to service, and disrespected the faith and the grief of a Gold Star family.

Any one of these actions alone would otherwise disqualify a person auditioning for the role of our commander in chief.

I cannot understand why you have continually attempted to dishonor the memory of Army Captain Humayun Khan. You have repeatedly attempted to link him and his family to radical Islamic terrorism by even bringing their names up in the same sentence.

You say that you support our military, but your actions tell a different story. You assert that you have made sacrifices on par with the Khan family.

I must ask you; do you truly understand the fundamental difference between investments and sacrifice?

Your reaction to his family's emotional statement has shown me two things: First, you have a difficult time picking your battles.

In the military, this is an important lesson that soldiers learn.

You attended a military academy in your childhood and you are a businessman, so I know you understand this strategy.

If your response to this family had simply been to acknowledge their ultimate sacrifice and to say that as Americans, they are constitutionally entitled to their opinions, that would have been enough.

You chose a different tactic. You chose to stay in the news cycle with your increasingly outrageous statements of condemnation of a family who, by all accounts, should absolutely be off limits.

How can we trust our military in the hands of a commander in chief who we can't even trust to comfort the parents of a fallen soldier?

Second, your reaction also tells me that since you have difficulty dealing with the opinions of a private citizen of this country, you will almost certainly have a harder time in the world of global politics.

My 4-year-old daughter has a better sense of human empathy around this subject. When I take her to the park and other children stare at the scars that cover my face and arms, she takes my hand and encourages me to talk to those young children and explain why I look the way I look.

It also worries me that my fellow citizens have grown accustomed to such rhetoric. That the bigotry and bombast may have even become normalized. Some say that they are no longer shocked by what is said on the national stage of your presidential campaign.

My hope is that your actions and words do not continue to erode our civil discourse.

I pray that good people in this country continue to be shocked by your rhetoric because that means they agree that your words and actions have no place in society, much less in the Oval Office.

You have stated that all press is good press. It's an interesting strategy that has thus far worked for you.

But this, the memory of our fallen soldiers, their families, former POWs, and the proud recipients of the Purple Heart honor. This is not the position from which you should be getting your press. This is off-limits.

Please remember that the people you are speaking about, our brave men and women of the armed forces make up less than 1% of the population.

However, if you become commander in chief, they will be the people who are going to fight for you regardless of personal politics. These are the people who will defend you. These are their families you are talking about. These are not the people you want to continue to carry out your petty grievances and personal attacks with.

I respectfully suggest you get a primer on the word sacrifice, as well as a lesson in human decency.

greatnpowerfuloz » 14 Aug 2016 6:35 pm » wrote:It's unconstitutional.

crimsongulf » 14 Aug 2016 9:30 pm » wrote:Depending on what they did, I am fine with it also.

ain't a ****** like soetoro wanting to try terrorists in the US judicial system.

Some folks deserve a military tribunal.

That is the ones that survive their Allah moment.

Misty » 14 Aug 2016 9:26 pm » wrote: Did he really say that?
Aside from being illegal, these military commissions have been incredibly inefficient.
We have a much better record of trying terrorists in civilian courts.

Misty » 14 Aug 2016 9:59 pm » wrote: Never mind that the military commisions at Gitmo have been an abject failure.
We have successfully prosecuted way more terrorists in civilian courts who are rotting in jail right now.

Misty » 03 Aug 2016 6:54 pm » wrote:So yesterday the Mangled Orange Hellbeast said that the capital city of my state looked like a 'war zone' as he flew over it in his private jet.
And the city of Harrisburg is not too happy about that.
Talking out of his ***, as usual.

greatnpowerfuloz » 14 Aug 2016 6:35 pm » wrote: It's unconstitutional. Just like it was when Obama droned an American citizen overseas. You girls are still calling for his head over that one.

Listen, when you settle on what's right and what's wrong, not just on Trump Tuesdays but every day of the week, be sure to let me know.

Trump Cites Iraq Withdrawal He Passionately Supported To Say Obama “Founded ISIS”

Donald Trump has said repeatedly during the campaign that President Obama “founded ISIS,” a remark that has come under scrutiny in recent days.

“He’s the founder of ISIS. He’s the founder of ISIS. He’s the founder. He founded ISIS,” Trump said at a Wednesday rally.

Trump has cited the conservative critique of President Obama’s Iraq policy — that the withdrawal of troops in 2011 led to a power vacuum that allowed ISIS to flourish — in making the claim.

“He was the founder of ISIS, absolutely,” Trump said on CNBC on Thursday. “The way he removed our troops — you shouldn’t have gone in. I was against the war in Iraq. Totally against it.”

(Trump was not against the war as he has repeatedly claimed.)

“The way he got out of Iraq was that that was the founding of ISIS, OK?” Trump later said.

But lost in Trump’s immediate comments is that, for years, he pushed passionately and forcefully for the same immediate troop withdrawal from Iraq. In interview after interview in the later 2000s, Trump said American forces should be removed from Iraq.

“First, I’d get out of Iraq right now,” Trump said to British GQ in a 2008 interview. “And by the way, I am the greatest hawk who ever lived, a far greater hawk even than Bush. I am the most militant military human being who ever lived. I’d rebuild our military arsenal, and make sure we had the finest weapons in the world.

Because countries such as Russia have no respect for us, they laugh at us. Look at what happened in Georgia, a place we were supposed to be protecting.”

Later, Trump said he wished Arizona Sen. John McCain, whom he was backing in the election, had supported pulling troops out of Iraq faster.
“I wish he would promise to get us out of Iraq faster,” said Trump. “I am not in love with that aspect of what he represents.”

Those comments echoed similar remarks in March 2007 when he said forces should be immediately withdrawn from Iraq.

“You know how they get out? They get out,” Trump said to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “That’s how they get out. Declare victory and leave, because I’ll tell you, this country is just going to get further bogged down. They’re in a civil war over there, Wolf. There’s nothing that we’re going to be able to do with a civil war. They are in a major civil war.”

Speaking with Howard Stern in October of that year, Trump said McCain’s support for keeping troops in Iraq was costing him the Republican nomination.

“Anybody who stays in Iraq — look at what happened to McCain — he want to show how tough he is, he’s sunk, immediately, and that’s with the Republicans.”

By late 2011, Trump notoriously began saying the U.S. should take Iraq’s oil before withdrawing.

Trump also told CNN’s Piers Morgan in February of that year he would get of troops in Iraq “out real fast.”

By 2016, he completely adopted the conservative critique of the Iraq withdrawal.

Misty » 15 Aug 2016 9:46 pm » wrote:Once again today Trump blames the formation of ISIS on Obama for withdrawing troops from Iraq, something he favored himself until very recently.

Misty » 17 Aug 2016 1:55 pm » wrote:Oh my! Look who Putin's pet is bringing to his first classified intel briefing.

Donald Trump To Bring Adviser With Russia Ties To Classified Briefing

roadkill » 17 Aug 2016 1:59 pm » wrote:
Oh ****! I thought you were going to say Hillary when you said adviser with Russian ties.

Hey Misty...does intellectual honesty ever occur to you?

In other news...

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Bill Clinton should have resigned over the Monica Lewinsky scandal—at least, that’s a view Tim Kaine once held."