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Misty » 22 Jan 2017 10:36 am » wrote:Kellyanne Conway just referred to the lies that Press Secretary Sean Spicer told yesterday as 'alternative facts.'

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2017 1:53 pm » wrote: George Will is and has long been a squish; someone so concerned with the fine points of political philosophy that he'd allow a corrupt lying leftist like Hillary Clinton to be elected rather than get his hands soiled.

Misty » 22 Jan 2017 2:02 pm » wrote: WOW!
Clem is throwing George Will under the bus to protect Putin's Useful Idiot/Puppet.
How the mighty have fallen.

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2017 1:55 pm » wrote:Liar. He was angry at the political leadership and those few who were leaking to undermine his campaign and his presidency.

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2017 1:56 pm » wrote:Never saw a word of concern from you when Bill Clinton, Obama and Hillary Clinton told huge obvious lies to Americans.

I will cut Americans' taxes!

If you like your plan you can keep it.

The Benghazi attack was caused by a video.

Misty » 22 Jan 2017 2:09 pm » wrote: No. He meant the whole intel community.

Misty » 22 Jan 2017 2:19 pm » wrote:But the PeeOTUS and his people tell lies about the most trivial things that are demonstrably false.

CHUCK TODD: ...why did the president send out his press secretary, who's not just the spokesperson for Donald Trump. He could be-- He also serves as the spokesperson for all of America at times. He speaks for all of the country at times. Why put him out there for the very first time in front of that podium to utter a provable falsehood? It's a small thing. But the first time he confronts the public it's a falsehood?

KELLYANNE CONWAY: Chuck, I mean, if we're going to keep referring to our press secretary in those types of terms I think that we're going to have to rethink our relationship here.

Protecting the President: Secret Weapons and a Hefty Price Tag

"Every time the president leaves the White House, we have to move the White House with him," said Jonathan Wackrow, a former Secret Service agent who has protected every living president.

"It's logistics on top of logistics. It's thinking about every problem in advance and coming up with every type of contingency plan that you can think of."

Confidential budget and planning documents reviewed by NBC News detail the precautions taken to ensure the president survives any kind of threat — from contaminated water to incoming missiles.

When he moves, a minimum of seven airplanes may be involved:

Air Force One, with the code name Comet, goes, along with two backups.

The presidential limo, nicknamed The Beast, and two backups — all sealed to withstand chemical or biological weapons — are loaded onto giant C-17 cargo planes.

And 22 armored SUVs and vans are airlifted to transport Secret Service and White House staff.

Five helicopters — including Marine One for the president — also are packed up, along with other presidential trappings like the White House podium.

A team of Delta commandos and FBI hostage rescue agents are also deployed with the president.

A military aide with the nuclear football travels, too.

Whenever the President is outside Washington, three secret military bunkers, two airborne command posts and a top-secret mobile truck-mounted command center go on alert.

Surveillance drones and armed aircraft will be added to the mix when he (Trump) is in New York, a senior intelligence official said.

It doesn't come cheap. The current price tag is $5 billion a year.

If Trump decides to spend weekends at Trump Tower, it will cost even more to build and maintain a security structure.

The Cost for Protecting Jet-Setting President-Elect Trump? Yuge!

Nov. 24, 2016 by WILLIAM M. ARKIN, CYNTHIA MCFADDEN, KEN DILANIAN and CORKY SIEMASZKO

As the soon-to-be first family sat down in Florida for their Thanksgiving feast, they were watched over by the core part of their new extended family — a contingent of at least 150 Secret Service personnel.

And when Donald Trump gets sworn in as president on Jan. 20, that contingent will balloon to more than 920 Secret Service agents and support personnel in Washington and his hometown, New York.

The price tag for all that security is already very big, or as the Manhattan mogul might put it, "Yuge," internal Homeland Security and Secret Service documents reviewed by NBC News show.

Right now, the cost to taxpayers is more than $2 million a day, the documents show, a number that is sure to increase whenever the president or the first lady travels — or when the threat level rises.

Meanwhile, the New York Police Department is already handling external security at Trump Tower, the president-elect's Manhattan home base, at an estimated cost of $1 million per day.

"You put a price tag on anything around the president, then you're putting a price tag on his life, and that is priceless," Jonathan Wackrow, a former Secret Service agent who has protected every living president, including Barack Obama, told NBC News in an exclusive interview.

Protecting Trump's family presents unprecedented challenges.

First off, it's a big family — 18 members in all, including Melania Trump and her 10-year-old son, Barron, as well as four adult children, three of them married, with a combined eight grandchildren.

The Secret Service has not had to protect the adult children of a president-elect in a long time, Wackrow said.

Also complicating security arrangements is Melania Trump's decision to stay in Manhattan until Barron is done with school in June.

Donald Trump has told his team that he intends to make regular weekend trips home to Trump Tower until his wife moves into the White House.

So millions of dollars worth of infrastructure will have to be installed in Trump Tower to turn it into a White House North.

"You have to be able to conduct a global war from the front porch — that is just the reality of the situation," said Terry Sullivan of the White House Transition Project, a nonpartisan organization that helps prepare the staffs of incoming presidents for the rigors of working in the White House.

When Trump heads home to the luxury 58-story high rise on Fifth Avenue, the feds will also need to find accommodations for staffers in a building where a modest one-bedroom, one-bathroom apartment rents for $5,250 a month, according to the StreetEasy real estate site.

"They would need at least a whole floor, and every apartment on that floor would need to be turned into an office," Sullivan said.

New York Mayor Bill de Blasio is so concerned about the city's getting stuck with the bill that he's already been in touch with outgoing Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, as well as with the president-elect's transition team, to ensure that the feds guarantee reimbursement.

I made clear to [Johnson] how committed we are to the president-elect's security, but I've also made clear to him that there's extraordinary costs involved and that we want to start the process of understanding what kind of federal reimbursement we can get," the mayor said recently.

"I will be speaking to the president-elect's team as early as next week on this topic."

Former Secret Service agent Evy Poumpouras, who was part of the security details that protected Obama and President George W. Bush, said she hopes Trump will reconsider at least his own weekend plans once he becomes president.

"This is one of those situations where they really should have an honest conversation with him and just really explain to him that this is not a good idea," she told NBC's Brian Williams. "To physically re-create the security that exists at the White House in New York City, it's not going to happen."

She added: "There's buses going by. There's trucks going by. When that detonates, that building is not going to withstand that blast."

In a subsequent interview with NBC News, Poumpouras said that flights out of LaGuardia Airport would have to be rerouted so they didn't fly directly over Trump Tower and that the subways running below the building would have to be fortified and closely watched.

"Routes will need to change," she said. "All the security changes to make this happen will cost millions upon millions."

Then there's presidential gridlock. Any time the commander-in-chief ventures in and out of New York City, traffic grinds to a halt, and commuter chaos ensues.

Three days after he was elected, Trump's motorcade forced the shutdown of the Lincoln Tunnel — a key artery connecting New York City to New Jersey — for 60 minutes at the height of the evening rush hour.

For a taste of things to come, consider how Trump arrived Tuesday evening at Mar-a-Lago, his 126-room, 110,000-square-foot mansion in exclusive Palm Beach, Florida, for the Thanksgiving holiday.

It was in a 45-vehicle convoy that included limousines, vans — and an ambulance.

Trump's glamorous Florida getaway will also get a bit of a makeover.

"It is the case that the Secret Service regularly upgrades a president's off-campus residence," Sullivan said. "Typically, it includes security apparatus and global communications."

Misty » 22 Jan 2017 2:34 pm » wrote: IOW, if you keep calling out our lies, we won't talk to you anymore.
How long before they only go on FOX FAKE News?

golfboy » 22 Jan 2017 2:32 pm » wrote: Misty is a liar. He's never talked to the whole intel community before yesterday, and the whole intel community never said anything to/about Trump.

Misty » 22 Jan 2017 2:19 pm » wrote: So I guess you agree that there is such a thing as 'alternative' facts?

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2017 3:47 pm » wrote:No, an intentional lie isn't a "fact" at all, Dim.

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2017 3:47 pm » wrote:And I never, EVER saw you complain about the Clintons' or Obama's huge lies of great significance.

Donald Trump Is Not a Liar, he's something worse: a **** artist.

In his 2005 book On ****, Harry G. Frankfurt, emeritus philosophy professor at Princeton University, makes an important distinction between lying and ****—one that is extremely useful for understanding the pernicious impact that Trump has on public life.

Frankfurt’s key observation is that the liar, even as he or she might spread untruth, inhabits a universe where the distinction between truth and falsehood still matters.

The ****, by contrast, does not care what is true or not.

By his or her bluffing, dissimulation, and general dishonesty, the **** artist works to erase the very possibility of knowing the truth.

For this reason, **** is more dangerous than lies, since it erodes even the possibility of truth existing and being found.

crimsongulf » 22 Jan 2017 7:37 pm » wrote:I have no issue with that at all. Tax returns are personal business and I fail to see why some folks think personal items shoould be public domain.
If he has tax issues, the IRS is in charge. Not a bunch of crybabies.

Termin8tor » 22 Jan 2017 1:56 pm » wrote:If you like your plan you can keep it.

Misty » 22 Jan 2017 7:43 pm » wrote: Who runs the IRS now?

crimsongulf » 22 Jan 2017 7:54 pm » wrote:Well, you would have to ask soetoro about using the IRS for a personal agenda.