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larryc12 » 30 Jan 2017 7:26 am » wrote: There is nothing this hypocrite does that is on you.
Yet he would water board someone to save HIS daughter or son, just not anyone else's. And it would be that very "big government type" doing it, but that's different when you're a hypocrite. If I would have the government water board someone to get my son or daughter back alive - and you can bet your *** I would - then I sure as hell am not going to stand opposed to doing the same for others' sons or daughters.
I don't want us inflicting unconscionable pain or tearing off body parts or the like, but water boarding does none of that. If scaring the **** out of someone to get people back alive and safe is what is needed, then do it for God's sake.

Worse things happened in Basic Training.

Huey » 30 Jan 2017 7:35 am » wrote:
Worse things happened in Basic Training.

Oh Christ - don't get him started on serving in the military.

Misty » 29 Jan 2017 9:22 pm » wrote: You don't even bother to read my posts before you lash out at me jackass.

I didn't "lash out at you," and I don't care what your Propaganda was, Dim.

The MSM aren't "corporate" as you have lied. They are ethically corrupt in that they try to advance Liberalism and destroy conservatives


Just as they are trying to do to Trump.

Misty » 29 Jan 2017 9:11 pm » wrote:
You're as **** delusional as he is.
When something drops 8 points in a week that means it moved DOWN not UP jackass.

President Donald Trump’s net approval rating dropped by eight points in his first week in the Oval Office, according to daily polls tracked by Gallup.

How the **** do you function in the world you gaping asshole?

I was citing Rasmussen, which has him at 57% and rising, Dim. What, you think the only pollster is Gallup?

How do you function in the world? Oh, that's right, you don't have to.

You were a Post Office employee and you're a liberal.

Misty » 29 Jan 2017 10:54 pm » wrote: In March of 2016, #45 told Anderson Cooper this about the shooting in San Bernardino.


In December, 2016 he said, "These people in California, people knew he had bombs all over the floor, people knew it, why didn’t they turn him in?"

Is that true Goatse?
Did many, many people say that they saw bombs on the floor in that house?

No one spreads more FAKE news than the jackass you put into the WH.

He makes one mistake, so you call him a conspiracy theorist?

You're an imbecile and a liar.

larryc12 » 30 Jan 2017 6:27 am » wrote: Oh, ****! It's not about ENDING anything those **** do - it's about getting people back to safety when there is no way of knowing where they are.

A plea of exigent circumstances already covers some down and dirty. Some guy stops a nuke from going off in the subway, no prosecutor looks at his methods cross eyed.

But your scenario is **** - the real world isn't television.

larryc12 » 30 Jan 2017 6:27 am » wrote: I don't pine for any such thing, **** liar!

When a grown **** man is making up torture scenarios to sell the idea of a government big enough to torture his neighbors, that's pining.

larryc12 » 30 Jan 2017 6:27 am » wrote: If waterboarding a troglodyte saves someone from sure death,

And there it is. In the fantasy, we only torture bad guys and they always have the information, fresh and hot and actionable.

What would be galling, were you not a eunuch, is that you will continue to think of us as liberators, even as we strap the folks we're "liberating" into a torture device.

And it doesn't end at waterboarding, as you suppose. 12 volt batteries and nipple clamps, sexual humiliation and degradation, forced homosexuality - all kinds of things get into the mix, once you let the freaks come out to play.

larryc12 » 30 Jan 2017 6:27 am » wrote: then do it - you're not going to do any harm to the son-of-a-bitch besides scare the **** out of him. **** him.

Don't assume your expertise on dick means you know dick, son.

larryc12 » 30 Jan 2017 6:27 am » wrote: I want to save people - you don't give a **** unless it's your own.

No, queer. I want to save people from you.

Once you start torturing a nation's people, you are no longer liberating that nation.

Cannonpointer » 30 Jan 2017 10:44 am » wrote: When a grown **** man is making up torture scenarios to sell the idea of a government big enough to torture his neighbors, that's pining.

There's the psychotic version of things.

And there's the fantasy. In the fantasy, we only torture bad guys and they always have the information we're looking for, and it's fresh and hot and actionable.

I didn't see Larry claim or imply "always," psycho.

But in fact, the top three terrorists who were waterboarded gave us absolutely vital information including intell that led to Bin Laden.

Hundreds if not thousands of lives were saved, because thanks to Clinton's incompetence and neglect, we had almost no intelligence about Al Qaeda.

Termin8tor » 30 Jan 2017 10:51 am » wrote: I love dicks and fantasies.

Yes, you do.

Cannonpointer » 30 Jan 2017 10:56 am » wrote:Yes, you do.

Wow, that was brilliant. And witty! And really original.


Imbecile.

Cannonpointer » 30 Jan 2017 10:44 am » wrote:When a grown **** man is making up torture scenarios to sell the idea of a government big enough to torture his neighbors, that's pining.

There's the psychotic version of things.

And there's the fantasy. In the fantasy, we only torture bad guys and they always have the information we're looking for, and it's fresh and hot and actionable.

I didn't see Larry claim or imply "always," psycho.

But in fact, the top three terrorists who were waterboarded gave us absolutely vital information including intell that led to Bin Laden.

Hundreds if not thousands of lives were saved, because thanks to Clinton's incompetence and neglect, we had almost no intelligence about Al Qaeda.

Termin8tor » 30 Jan 2017 10:57 am » wrote: I didn't see Larry claim or imply "always," psycho.

What percentage of innocent people strapped down and tortured would be "acceptable" to cowards, fool?

Cannonpointer » 30 Jan 2017 11:02 am » wrote:What percentage of innocent people strapped down and tortured would be "acceptable" to cowards, fool?

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The math might be sketchy but I won't lose any sleep over 3 waterboarded terrorists.

Giuliani: Trump asked me how to do a Muslim ban 'legally.'

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) said in an interview on Saturday that President Trump had previously asked him about legally implementing a "Muslim ban."

But Giuliani then disputed the notion that the president's sweeping executive order barring refugees and people from seven predominantly Muslim nations amounts to a ban on Muslims.

"I’ll tell you the whole history of it: When he first announced it, he said ‘Muslim ban,'" Giuliani said on Fox News.

"He called me up, he said, ‘Put a commission together, show me the right way to do it legally.’"

Termin8tor » 30 Jan 2017 7:54 am » wrote:I was citing Rasmussen, which has him at 57% and rising, Dim. What, you think the only pollster is Gallup?

Of course you would cite the one poll that always skews right.

Rasmussen...the GOP's cure for the common poll.

Huey » 30 Jan 2017 11:10 am » wrote:
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The math might be sketchy but I won't lose any sleep over 3 waterboarded terrorists.

The pretense that we only waterboarded three is deliberately dishonest - and when you resort to deliberate dishonesty, you invalidate your argument.

You seem conveniently to have forgotten we tortured people TO DEATH. You seem to have forgotten that out intake at abu ghraib relied on begrudged locals tying up their brothers in law and delivering them from a trunk, for a bounty - that was what amounted to vetting. And once inside the homosexual torture dungeon, protestations of innocence merely invited more pain and degradation.

You seem to have forgotten that the senate report revealed we had DOZENS of torture chambers operating in secret, all around the globe.

Walking past all of that while smirking about three high profile water boardings is an admission of inferior intellect and dishonest intent.

Keep defending the idea of a government big enough to torture your children, and calling yourself a conservative, son.

Misty » 30 Jan 2017 11:22 am » wrote: Of course you would cite the one poll that always skews right.

Rasmussen...the GOP's cure for the common poll.

Hey Dim, here's a hint. Your polls were all wrong last November.


Imbecile.

Cannonpointer » 30 Jan 2017 11:42 am » wrote:The pretense that we only waterboarded three is deliberately dishonest - and when you resort to deliberate dishonesty, you invalidate your argument.

You seem conveniently to have forgotten we tortured people TO DEATH. You seem to have forgotten that out intake at abu ghraib relied on begrudged locals tying up their brothers in law and delivering them from a trunk, for a bounty - that was what amounted to vetting. And once inside the homosexual torture dungeon, protestations of innocence merely invited more pain and degradation.

You seem to have forgotten that the senate report revealed we had DOZENS of torture chambers operating in secret, all around the globe.

Walking past all of that while smirking about three high profile water boardings is an admission of inferior intellect and dishonest intent.

Keep defending the idea of a government big enough to torture your children, and calling yourself a conservative, son.

I haven't forgotten. You talk about being deliberately dishonest and invalidating my argument. I have not been dishonest. The original comment from a few years ago was that I wouldn't lose any sleep over 3 waterboarded terrorists, and that my comments only apply to those 3. I made it abundantly clear I was not supporting any other events or things you call torture. I made it clear it did not apply to what you call torture chambers. I made it clear it did not apply to rendition nor did it apply to Abu Grahib. Whe3n it comes to dishonesty you conveniently leave those out.

The only dishonesty in anyone's argument is on your continued application of the line that I won't lose any sleep over three waterboarded terrorists to all things torture. You have extrapolated the comment to everything.

So if you wish to discuss dishonesty and invalidating arguments, look to yourself.

So no sir, I have neither been dishonest nor have I forgotten anything about the issue.

Misty » 30 Jan 2017 11:22 am » wrote: Of course you would cite the one poll that always skews right.

Rasmussen...the GOP's cure for the common poll.

Well you never lie, do you.


Oh gosh, what's this?

The IBDC-TIPP Presidential Election Tracking Poll, described as the “most accurate poll in recent presidential elections,” on Wednesday had Donald Trump leading Hillary Clinton by one point, 41 percent to 40 percent....
At Rasmussen, the raced was described with two words, “Dead even.”
“Today’s Rasmussen Reports White House Watch telephone and online survey shows Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump each picking up 42 percent support among Likely U.S. Voters.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/most-accurat ... Qd4SXSd.99

No, Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter didn't do the same thing as Donald Trump's Muslim ban.

Supporters of the President's unprecedented Muslim ban are screaming hypocrisy.
But there are some important differences with what previous Presidents have done.

Termin8tor » 30 Jan 2017 11:58 am » wrote: Well you never lie, do you.
Oh gosh, what's this?

Seriously?
You want to rebut the fact that Rasmussen leans right by posting a link from WorldNUTDaily?

Misty » 30 Jan 2017 11:59 am » wrote:No, Barack Obama and Jimmy Carter didn't do the same thing as Donald Trump's Muslim ban.

Supporters of the President's unprecedented Muslim ban are screaming hypocrisy.
But there are some important differences with what previous Presidents have done.

I don't see a muslim ban. I see a temporary restriction on travel from the same countries that Obama dubbed countries of concern until vetting processes can be revamped.

This is the kind of MSM tactic that gets some of us up in arms.