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roadkill » 07 Mar 2017 11:33 am » wrote:Clapper said there were no FISA warrants.
So where did the press get the leaks?

What leaks?
Did someone leak a FISA warrant that proved that Trump's phone was tapped?

#ShePersisted » 07 Mar 2017 12:34 pm » wrote: What leaks?
Did someone leak a FISA warrant that proved that Trump's phone was tapped?

You don't know about what was leaked to the press?


Maybe you should resign your post here.

#ShePersisted » 07 Mar 2017 12:34 pm » wrote: What leaks?
Did someone leak a FISA warrant that proved that Trump's phone was tapped?

This has been in the news since november. And remember, Trump owns trump towers. And the offices in question. They are his phones.

But that is no longer the question. The question to answer first is who is lying? James Clapper and the former Administration? OR the multiple MSM sources?

Huey » 07 Mar 2017 11:42 am » wrote:That is an excellent point. The media has reported on this for months now. Either multiple media sources are lying OR the administration members are lying.
And the record of both, to include Clapper, does not lead one to believe one is a better source than another.
If in fact FISA warrants were executed, or at least requested, Obama himself probably did not utter the words "I order this to be done". But considering the AG has to sign off on these warrants, and the sensitive nature of listening in to either a leading candidate or his staff in the middle of a contentious election, makes it hard to believe that Obama was not in the loop. Apparently his NSC head knows, his AG knows, and others in the white house know. So it is a question of what did he know and when did he know it.
Only if the all of the news on CNN, the NYT's, MSNBC, the Guardian, Heatstreet, FOX, etc is all fake.
So who is lying?

First of all which media outlets have reported that there was a FISA warrant issued that allowed surveillance of Trump's phones?

And secondly which media outlet has reported that Obama 'ORDERED' any such surveillance?

You do remember that that is what Trump accused him of right?
He did not accuse Obama of being 'INFORMED' about any possible surveillance.
He accused him of ORDERING it.

And he didn't say that MAYBE his phones were tapped.
He said that they WERE tapped by Obama.

It seems like a lot of people are ignoring what Trump actually accused Obama of in his Tweet and have shifted the argument to something that has nothing to do with his Tweet.

A POTUS can not order the phone of an American citizen to be tapped.
And if he did it would take the complicity of the FBI and a whole host of DOJ lawyers who would have to apply for a FISA warrant.

So he is accusing not only Obama, but many others of a committing a crime.

#ShePersisted » 07 Mar 2017 12:34 pm » wrote: What leaks?
Did someone leak a FISA warrant that proved that Trump's phone was tapped?

Look at the liar backtrack, in vain.

There are weeks of reports in the liberal MSM of "transcripts" and many details of private conversations.

If Trump's phones weren't tapped, where did they come from, Dim?

#ShePersisted » 07 Mar 2017 12:49 pm » wrote:which media outlet has reported that Obama 'ORDERED' any such surveillance?

Which media outlet has accused Trump of colluding with the Russians, liar?

Which media outlet has provided any evidence of that?

So he is accusing not only Obama, but many others of a committing a crime.

Many others have committed a number of felonies leaking classified information to the media.

And many Democrats have accused Trump and officials of criminal wrongdoing.

And so have you, hypocrite.

Termin8tor » 07 Mar 2017 12:56 pm » wrote:Look at the liar backtrack, in vain.
There are weeks of reports in the liberal MSM of "transcripts" and many details of private conversations.
If Trump's phones weren't tapped, where did they come from, Dim?

Which calls are you talking about?
The calls between Trump and foreign leaders, or the calls between his people and the Russians?

If it's the first one, those calls are recorded.
So they could have been leaked by someone in the WH.

If it's the second one, the calls of foreign officials are regularly monitored.
Especially Russian officials.

So since his people were talking to Ambassador Kissmyass all the time, those calls were picked up.

Why are you surprised that the Intel community might be leaking?

I guess they don't like it when the POTUS compares them to Nazis, doesn't believe them when they say that the Russian's hacked the DNC, and disrespects the CIA memorial wall by standing in front of it and talking about the size of his inaugural crowd and how many times he's been on the cover of Time Magazine

#ShePersisted » 07 Mar 2017 1:11 pm » wrote: Which calls are you talking about?
The calls between Trump and foreign leaders, or the calls between his people and the Russians?

If it's the first one, those calls are recorded.
So they could have been leaked by someone in the WH.

If it's the second one, the calls of foreign officials are regularly monitored.
Especially Russian officials.

So since his people were talking to Ambassador Kissmyass all the time, those calls were picked up.

Why are you surprised that the Intel community might be leaking?

I guess they don't like it when the POTUS compares them to Nazis, doesn't believe them when they say that the Russian's hacked the DNC, and disrespects the CIA memorial wall by standing in front of it and talking about the size of his inaugural crowd and how many times he's been on the cover of Time Magazine

On to more important things Misty.


Which avatar will you use next week?

Termin8tor » 07 Mar 2017 1:01 pm » wrote: Which media outlet has accused Trump of colluding with the Russians, liar?

I have more than once said that I don't know if there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians to influence the election.
Nobody knows if that has occurred.
So far it has not been proven.
But keep lying about my position.

#ShePersisted » 07 Mar 2017 1:16 pm » wrote: I have more than once said that I don't know if there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians to influence the election.
Nobody knows if that has occurred.
So far it has not been proven.
But keep lying about my position.

It was never meant to be proven.

The dems only wanted to keep the allegations alive in the media.


Trump forced their hand.

roadkill » 07 Mar 2017 1:12 pm » wrote:On to more important things Misty.
Which avatar will you use next week?

This one.



I'm happy to see that you have your priorities straight.

#ShePersisted » 07 Mar 2017 1:11 pm » wrote: Which calls are you talking about?
The calls between Trump and foreign leaders, or the calls between his people and the Russians?

The ones from Trump Tower.

Even calls involving Russian officials are supposed to be cleansed of any information about the American in that conversation.
Felonies have been committed leaking those transcripts and details to the anti-Trump MSM, almost certainly by Obama moles.

If it's the first one, those calls are recorded.
So they could have been leaked by someone in the WH.

Why are you surprised that the Intel community might be leaking?

I guess they don't like it when the POTUS compares them to Nazis, doesn't believe them when they say that the Russian's hacked the DNC, and disrespects the CIA memorial wall by standing in front of it and talking about the size of his inaugural crowd and how many times he's been on the cover of Time Magazine

He didn't compare "them" to Nazis, liar, just the criminals who are illegally leaking to the MSM to undermine him.

How do you know it's the intelligence community, liar? Most on our side are fully aware that Obama issued an order just two weeks before leaving office that would make this information broadly available well beyond the agencies that are entrusted with it ordinarily.

Making it far, far more difficult to find the criminals who are leaking. So Obama was complicit in aiding the commission of federal crimes.

#ShePersisted » 07 Mar 2017 1:16 pm » wrote: I have more than once said that I don't know if there was collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians to influence the election.
Nobody knows if that has occurred.
So far it has not been proven.
But keep lying about my position.

What, you're trying to deny that you for many weeks now have been accusing Trump of exactly that?


Liar.

#ShePersisted » 07 Mar 2017 11:18 am » wrote: is he now, without any proof, accusing Obama of a crime?
Yes and yes.

Trump is president with access to all records of in investigations and likely confidential sources in the federal government disturbed at the unethical, illegal and unConstitutional campaign against him.

How do you know he doesn't have proof?

Is a conspiracy theory wingnut.

Liar.

Trump Tower was wiretapped and multiple agencies of the federal government were investigating him and his officials.

That's not a "conspiracy theory," liar.

Report: Trump's assertion of Obama wiretapping may increase impeachment odds.

President Trump's Saturday tweetstorm regarding Obama, wiretapping and the next Watergate could bring serious consequences.

Noah Feldman of Bloomberg has made a case for how impeachment could be among them.

He notes that Trump's apparently unfounded assertions may not fall under the free speech protection granted by the First Amendment.

Further, says Feldman, "An allegation of potentially criminal misconduct made without evidence is itself a form of serious misconduct by the government official who makes it."

He continues, "How is such misconduct by an official to be addressed?...

The answer is that the constitutional remedy for presidential misconduct is impeachment."

Feldman further notes, "If the alleged action would be impeachable if true, so must be the allegation if false.

Anything else would give the president the power to distort democracy by calling his opponents criminals without ever having to prove it."

Trump's tweets regarding the wiretapping are notably lacking in the proof category.

#ShePersisted » 07 Mar 2017 2:35 pm » wrote:

Did Noah suggest the whole dem party should be removed from office with all their claims without evidence?

Maybe Noah should go to jail for his claims without evidence?


P.S. Were you chewing on popcorn when Trump was sure to lose the election?

Termin8tor » 07 Mar 2017 1:40 pm » wrote:Trump is president with access to all records of in investigations and likely confidential sources in the federal government disturbed at the unethical, illegal and unConstitutional campaign against him.
How do you know he doesn't have proof?

BINGO!
As POTUS he has the power to declassify any thing he wants to.
So why is he asking Congress to investigate?
If he has the proof, he can just declassify it and put it out there.

He doesn't have ****.
He based this on a rant by Mark Levin and a piece in Breitbart based on that rant.

Remember he said that he 'just found out' that Obama had his 'wires tapped.'
Levin's rant was on Thursday, the piece in Breitbart was on Friday and his Tweets were on Saturday.





He sees something on FOX News or reads it in Brietbart and he immediately Tweets about it without ever checking any facts.
He did it again just today when he Tweeted that '122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield.'

He got that from a FOX News Tweet and it's not true.

I posted it in post #9876.

#ShePersisted » 07 Mar 2017 10:40 am » wrote:He's lying again.

roadkill » 07 Mar 2017 2:44 pm » wrote:Did Noah suggest the whole dem party should be removed from office with all their claims without evidence?

Which Dem was it that claimed that a former POTUS committed a Watergate level offense?

#ShePersisted » 02 Mar 2017 10:31 pm » wrote:LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

Pence used personal email for state business — and was hacked

Bet ya a dollar that *** clem will move the goal posts.

Termin8tor » 04 Mar 2017 6:50 am » wrote: Did he earn 10's of millions of dollars for selling access and favors to foreigners and Special Interests, psycho?

Oh, man!

Can I call them, or what?