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Strikes have become more commonplace. Is this a sign of better working conditions? The five day 40 hour work week was a success but we could probably do better. Everything is automated and a lot of people have worthless jobs (government included). If we did have more free time what would people do with it though? Do drugs and play video games? Less work is a laudable goal which is why I generally support the strikes but it is a tenable issue.

I don't understand the whole 40 hr/5 day a week schedule. I guess I get it for some workplaces, but not for most. Why not just get your crap done, then leave? What purpose does it serve to stick around for no reason just because the clock said so? 

Vegas » 04 Oct 2023, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 1:17 pm

I don't understand the whole 40 hr/5 day a week schedule. I guess I get it for some workplaces, but not for most. Why not just get your crap done, then leave? What purpose does it serve to stick around for no reason just because the clock said so?

That's why there is Chat GPT:

The concept of a 40-hour workweek can be traced back to labor movements and social reforms that took place during the 19th and early 20th centuries. It was not the invention of a single individual but rather the result of collective efforts and evolving labor standards. Here are some key milestones and figures associated with the establishment of the 40-hour workweek:

1. Labor Movements: Labor unions and workers' organizations played a significant role in advocating for shorter workweeks. In the United States, for example, unions like the American Federation of Labor (AFL) campaigned for reduced working hours as early as the late 19th century.
2. Henry Ford: While not the originator of the 40-hour workweek, Henry Ford is often credited with popularizing it in the early 20th century. In 1926, Ford Motor Company became one of the first major corporations to adopt a 40-hour workweek and a five-day workweek for its employees, which set a precedent for other industries.
3. Legislation: Government intervention and labor regulations also contributed to the establishment of the 40-hour workweek. In the United States, the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 (commonly known as the FLSA) set the standard workweek at 40 hours and introduced regulations on minimum wage and overtime pay.
4. International Context: Similar movements and regulations advocating for shorter workweeks took place in other countries around the same time. For example, France implemented a 40-hour workweek in the 1930s.

It's important to note that the specific history and development of the 40-hour workweek may vary by country and region, and it was the result of a complex interplay of labor activism, social and economic changes, and legislative actions rather than being attributed to a single individual.

 
 

Vegas » 04 Oct 2023, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 1:17 pm

I don't understand the whole 40 hr/5 day a week schedule. I guess I get it for some workplaces, but not for most. Why not just get your crap done, then leave? What purpose does it serve to stick around for no reason just because the clock said so?

Bro there are very few 40 hr week positions where folks just twiddle their thumbs.

I suspect most people are doing the jobs of 2 people and being worked to death

often with very little vacation time or good benefits.
 

Is the UAW still on strike?

Unions are only for the **** workers. People not worth what they are paid. Good workers are in demand and get paid accordingly.

PhiloBeddo » 04 Oct 2023, 2:58 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 2:58 pm

Unions are only for the **** workers. People not worth what they are paid. Good workers are in demand and get paid accordingly. 

 

A 40% pay raise? is that sustainable?

PhiloBeddo » 04 Oct 2023, 2:58 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 2:58 pm

Unions are only for the **** workers. People not worth what they are paid. Good workers are in demand and get paid accordingly.

Agreed... to a point.

Like oral surgeons that don't accept medicare.
They don't have to because they are very good and can charge whatever they want.
That's not to say anyone in a "network" or protected by the union is terrible at their job.

BUT, to flourish outside of those safe zones, one HAS TO be good at the work.
 

Are they over?

I agree the wealthy, elites, and big corps

should have ALL the power.....

the worker just needs to shut the **** up and work no matter what.

       


 

Sumela » 06 Oct 2023, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2023, 1:07 pm

I agree the wealthy, elites, and big corps

should have ALL the power.....

the worker just needs to shut the **** up and work no matter what.

     

That's been tried. It's called laissez-faire economics. 12 year old kids used to get their hands cut off in weaving machines. Labor working all day for enough money to buy a loaf of bread. That was the early industrial age. "I've been working on the railroad".
 

Monderegal » 06 Oct 2023, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2023, 1:23 pm

That's been tried. It's called laissez-faire economics. 12 year old kids used to get their hands cut off in weaving machines. Labor working all day for enough money to buy a loaf of bread. That was the early industrial age. "I've been working on the railroad".

Correct.  I was being facetious, a smart ***  
 

Monderegal » 06 Oct 2023, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2023, 1:23 pm

That's been tried. It's called laissez-faire economics. 12 year old kids used to get their hands cut off in weaving machines. Labor working all day for enough money to buy a loaf of bread. That was the early industrial age. "I've been working on the railroad".

Both sides tend towards being idiots on many issues.

Sort of like defunding the police and mutilating children for the LGBTQ cult.


 

Vegas » 04 Oct 2023, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 1:17 pm

I don't understand the whole 40 hr/5 day a week schedule. I guess I get it for some workplaces, but not for most. Why not just get your crap done, then leave? What purpose does it serve to stick around for no reason just because the clock said so? 

reality is intellectually divided by 3's, generations are divided by 5's, generatics within homo sapien species if half life compounding chromosomes arrive as long as previous generation reproduced next generation since inception of this species developing the separate ancestral lineages living here now.

You don't want to understand series parallel kinetics between equal expanding details never the same and contracting results never duplicating anything previously added.

That space where things inhabit self evidently here is now as universally going forward in ever changing total sum present.

So each 1 is the product of 2 previously alive. Siblings are separate results per gap of generations added as each isn't the same as the others. Cloning doesn't change that since series parallel time is spontaneously occupying time inhabiting space when simultaneously here. This is how things are kinetically self evident for each result regardless inorganic, ancestral, plant, animal, predator, prey, asexual, male, female, that either parents a next generation or doesn't, which brings about the extinction of that one specific DNA result from being part of life beyond its time adapting here now.

Universal natural results as occupying time here now. No exceptions because of suggesting it isn't possible throughout history of one species ignoring it is the only way living works now.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely and every social mind seeks to control hope, faith, charity creating mayhem, madness, misery to gain rank in chain of command governing outcomes of events within an ever changing population adapting to space here now reproductions are eternally se[parated as incoming great great grandchildren replacing their previous 4 generation gap series of parenting relatives occupying time now.

Seres paralle numbers arrive .

PhiloBeddo » 04 Oct 2023, 2:58 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 2:58 pm

Unions are only for the **** workers. People not worth what they are paid. Good workers are in demand and get paid accordingly.

Let's talk IBEW Brother Philo
Who man the really big projects that take the most training and skill...?
Who is able to send in 100 licensed electricians at a moments notice [on a "Short Call" basis] to bail out a Contractor that needs 2000 light fixtures installed in a high rise building in 1 day...?
Who has by far the best safety record in construction...?
Who has 3 pension programs at the end of 22,000 hours ....?
Who wins every single work grievance within 24 hours ...?
Who will walk out in sympathy of other Trade Unions on behalf of their grievances...?
Who establish what the PREVAILING WAGE IS for the non union...?
Who sees to it that if Non Union workers are working a union job due to manpower shortage..... that those Non Union workers get a momentary raise up to Union Scale [plus benefits] for the duration...?
 
 
 

GHETTO BLASTER » 06 Oct 2023, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Oct 2023, 2:52 pm

Let's talk IBEW Brother Philo
Who man the really big projects that take the most training and skill...?
Who is able to send in 100 licensed electricians at a moments notice [on a "Short Call" basis] to bail out a Contractor that needs 2000 light fixtures installed in a high rise building in 1 day...?
Who has by far the best safety record in construction...?
Who has 3 pension programs at the end of 22,000 hours ....?
Who wins every single work grievance within 24 hours ...?
Who will walk out in sympathy of other Trade Unions on behalf of their grievances...?
Who establish what the PREVAILING WAGE IS for the non union...?
Who sees to it that if Non Union workers are working a union job due to manpower shortage..... that those Non Union workers get a momentary raise up to Union Scale [plus benefits] for the duration...?
 
 
 

Great explanation why nobody wins against God or city hall. United in defying why life doesn't evolve beyond series parallel time lifetimes are adapting in the moment here as conceived to replace their previous 4 generation gaps.

This is so specific there are no exceptions by molecular content or chromosome displacements living here now as what, where, when, which, who, place, thing is occupying time now in ever changing form since part of the ever changing total sum arrived individually here now on the universal scale to each geographical point of displaced as substance formed naturally timed apart here.


Intellect compares, instincts navigate when personally proportionately present.

PhiloBeddo » 04 Oct 2023, 2:58 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 2:58 pm

Unions are only for the **** workers. People not worth what they are paid. Good workers are in demand and get paid accordingly.

Great campaign slogan where vocabulary matters to character role playing cradle to grave each generation resenting their previous 4 for making them deny why they exist in the first place.

Every generation gap is a unique population from the previous generations and next generation replacing life with new arrivals as previous die off as randomly as they appeared after conception.

When energy cannot be create or destroyed by things evolving like never before, then there is a point in time past ends, future begins anew for the duration of the cycles inhabiting space specifically here now behaving as they chose since birth following concepts that life is more than time spent individually here adapting forward now.

Again, 40 years ago I wasn't able to describe kinetic genetics like I can today, but my brain navigates space the same way I did since learning to communicate with people outside my body evolving same way my body does separately at the same time.

Again the reason dictatorships and democracies always implode within themselves is this is one species with 5 basic evolving ancestral lineages that arrived at inception of this species the original arrivals some became great great grandparents and most didn't have children. None reproductive people are haven't anyone left carrying their chromosomes and those had children that grow up to become 1 of 2 parents, the originals became the first 4 grandparent generation, and the 2nd generation became the 2nd grandparenting, to the 3rd becoming 1 of 2 parents and single child family and those with siblings that didn't become parents.

Next generation added since inception is originals became first set of 8 great grandparents, second generation parents became second generation grandparents. Simple compounding DNA. It is a universal constant with cellular life arriving after inorganic combinations established a perpetual balancing universe between erosion and decomposing results never same total sum added forward now.

I understand actual space time continuing in plain sight. I conquered reasonable doubt, hope, faith, charity, power, wealth, fame, mayhem, madness, misery.

this simple and absolute beyond any vocabulary suggesting living exceeds evolving as displaced now.

do believe the english word for that is "serenity".

Vegas » 04 Oct 2023, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Oct 2023, 1:17 pm

I don't understand the whole 40 hr/5 day a week schedule. I guess I get it for some workplaces, but not for most. Why not just get your crap done, then leave? What purpose does it serve to stick around for no reason just because the clock said so?

I would have gladly made 4 times 8 hours the standard week or 4 times 10 hours the standard work week on my union contract.
If they really need you to fight traffic  for showing up  Friday..then Friday  should become time and a half.
My Union Leadership never  proposed such sacrilege to management.

GHETTO BLASTER » 07 Oct 2023, 12:30 am » wrote: ↑

07 Oct 2023, 12:30 am

I would have gladly made 4 times 8 hours the standard week or 4 times 10 hours the standard work week on my union contract.
If they really need you to fight traffic  for showing up  Friday..then Friday  should become time and a half.
My Union Leadership never  proposed such sacrilege to management.

I resigned from the union of where I worked for a public utility the court system broke up in 1983. It had two unions within it one for Western Electric and the other for those developing the universal coverage network that delivered communications between anyone with a phone.

Copper wire, t-carrier, wireless, fiber optics, satellite so for 32 years I got to understand the inside out of providing lines of communication that simply debunked relative time logistics 24/7 mantra.

Raised to believe time changes everything yet technology bypasses relative time with instant communication between any two positions in this atmosphere.

Any I worked there 12 years paying union dues and never got representation for my grievances told seniority prevails in every situation so I resigned the year prior to a national contract situation so they the union couldn't garnish my wages crossing the picket line.

Yes, I stood against the IBEW in 1983 because I could comprehend what was coming since 1976. The union is organized doubt working population outside in as much as ruling elites controlling societal evolution inside out each generation gap left living here now.

My 12 years from 1970 to 1983 I witnessed the union getting rich off union dues same way the company got rich through public utility commission regulations.

always the average person paying for it all sacrificing their biological to keep ideas living each generation forward as life never stays same total sum evolved to this point of time. I always had a sense of proportion, not an attitude of being more than equally here regardless superiority or inferiority.

Now educated after birth to obey power or suggestion or else, I was nurtured to follow traditional values being economically punished any time I questioned any reality. That lasted until 1983. I stayed among the silent majority waiting for societal evolution to correct itself, and it just kept getting worse.

then came 2005. the same methodology used against Trump in since 2016 by both parties, was in play against my sibling in 2005. It destroyed out mom's will to live. When she was buried in 2006, I swore to myself I would get even with everyone involved without harming anyone alive.

MY motivation for developing Intellectual Armageddon and I found the perfect battleground in cyberspace tech working same way networking did building the global communication network of instant communication present bypassing the relative time logistics governing human behavior cradle to grave each generation gap alive.