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By Monderegal
4 Oct 2023 1:20 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
4 Oct 2023 6:14 pm
I have a Stoeger O/U Outback that I think I paid $300 for brand new about 15 years ago.Skans » 04 Oct 2023, 2:55 pm » wrote: ↑ The world's cheapest (but, IMHO best value) O/U Shotguns:Sold Price: BAIKAL MODEL IZH
It hangs just inside and above the entry to the hallway off the den for easy access... with two in the pipes and five on the hip.
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4 Oct 2023 6:18 pm
I bet the $300 shotguns out there get a whole lot more use than the $5,000 shotguns. I know mine does!RedheadedStranger » 04 Oct 2023, 6:14 pm » wrote: ↑ I have a Stoeger O/U Outback that I think I paid $300 for brand new about 15 years ago.
It hangs just inside and above the entry to the hallway off the den for easy access... with two in the pipes and five on the hip.
4 Oct 2023 6:20 pm
The only problem with the Stoeger is it's light as a feather.Skans » 04 Oct 2023, 6:18 pm » wrote: ↑ I bet the $300 shotguns out there get a whole lot more use than the $5,000 shotguns. I know mine does!
Of course adrenaline tends to counteract something like that when necessary.
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4 Oct 2023 6:24 pm
That would be harsh. My Baikal is slightly heavier than my Beretta. I almost always take my Baikal out to shoot. Rarely ever shoot the Beretta.RedheadedStranger » 04 Oct 2023, 6:20 pm » wrote: ↑ The only problem with the Stoeger is it's light as a feather.
Of course adrenaline tends to counteract something like that when necessary.
4 Oct 2023 6:28 pm
It definitely isn't a pleasant shotgun to just take out and shoot, but that's not really what I bought it for.Skans » 04 Oct 2023, 6:24 pm » wrote: ↑ That would be harsh. My Baikal is slightly heavier than my Beretta. I almost always take my Baikal out to shoot. Rarely ever shoot the Beretta.
In the firearm world, shotties are definitely job specific. I enjoy shooting most of my handguns and long guns, but I rarely take a shotgun out for an enjoyable afternoon at the range. Lol
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4 Oct 2023 6:33 pm
RedheadedStranger » 04 Oct 2023, 6:20 pm » wrote: ↑ The only problem with the Stoeger is it's light as a feather.
Of course adrenaline tends to counteract something like that when necessary.
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4 Oct 2023 6:36 pm
I like to do some skeet shooting and occasionally sporting clays. O/U is best for that. About 15 shooting stations and 2-shots per station. So, you're putting at least 30 shots down the pipes.RedheadedStranger » 04 Oct 2023, 6:28 pm » wrote: ↑ It definitely isn't a pleasant shotgun to just take out and shoot, but that's not really what I bought it for.
In the firearm world, shotties are definitely job specific. I enjoy shooting most of my handguns and long guns, but I rarely take a shotgun out for an enjoyable afternoon at the range. Lol
5 Oct 2023 6:24 am
Because it always requires rounding off/abbreviating the non-answer to a mathematical formula. It sustains reasonable doubt for figurative truths by circumstantial social beliefs real isn't actual life evolving here now.Skans » 04 Oct 2023, 1:47 pm » wrote: ↑ Here's a test: Explain why Pi is a non-repeating, irrational number?
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5 Oct 2023 8:40 am
Your are comparing polygons with a circle. A circle is not a polygon.Skans » 04 Oct 2023, 6:02 pm » wrote: ↑ Actually, Pi does change with the roundness of the circle. If you construct a near circle with a thousand tiny lines linked together around a centerpoint, Pi (not true Pi, because its not a true circle) will be a rational number. Lets take this to the extreme and perhaps you can follow me:
C = 2 π R
π = C/2R
Where the Circumference of the near-circle is actually 10 equal-length lines around a centerpoint, a Decagon, Pi will be a rational number:
Assume each line of the Decagon is exactly 10 centimeters long. The Circumference of this near-circle would be 100 centemeters. The radius is 16.18034. So, let's calculate π.
π = C/2R.
π = 100/2*16.18034
π = 100/32.36068
π (near pi) = 3.0901699222685 The digits to the right of the decimal will eventually repeat or stop.
As the circle approaches being perfectly round,π will approach the 3.1415....irrational number. With each iteration of smaller and smaller lines making up the near-circle, π needs to "shift" and morph to accommodate the new near-circle structure.
This should be able to be expressed as a calculus limit. But, its not that easy:
lim π→irrational number−C→more perfect roundness.
It's not easy because I don't know how to express something becoming "more round" to a point of perfect roundness. But, this guy, Yasuhiro Takashimizu, has some additional thoughts on this. https://progearthplanetsci.springeropen ... 015-0078-x
5 Oct 2023 8:59 am
A circle isn't a self containing sphere either. sphere is 4 dimensional and 6 degrees of separation from any other shape present or not visible yet still exists spontaneously existing individually here simultaneously now, not in view of those discussing facts contrived from history of human behavior throughout generation gaps existed to existing and replacements added forward one at a time now.Vegas » 05 Oct 2023, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑ Your are comparing polygons with a circle. A circle is not a polygon.
5 Oct 2023 9:33 am
Same here - Stoeger Condor. Turkey makes some affordable simplistic shot guns.RedheadedStranger » 04 Oct 2023, 6:14 pm » wrote: ↑ I have a Stoeger O/U Outback that I think I paid $300 for brand new about 15 years ago.
It hangs just inside and above the entry to the hallway off the den for easy access... with two in the pipes and five on the hip.
12g O/U. Academy Sports, about $325
5 Oct 2023 9:42 am
A circle doesn't exist. All "things" that resemble circles are polygons. There is no such thing as a perfectly round circle. Circles can only approach perfect roundness. This is why Pi is an irrational number.Vegas » 05 Oct 2023, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑ Your are comparing polygons with a circle. A circle is not a polygon.
5 Oct 2023 10:12 am
Skans » 05 Oct 2023, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑ A circle doesn't exist. All "things" that resemble circles are polygons. There is no such thing as a perfectly round circle. Circles can only approach perfect roundness. This is why Pi is an irrational number.
There is no such thing as a perfect anything. It's all constructed by man. You are not going to find a perfect circle, square, regular polygon, trapezoid, or anything else in nature. We construct it. Circles are perfect because of the way we construct them by taking a fixed radius at a fixed point and then rotating it 360 degrees.
5 Oct 2023 10:17 am
You can't use points in a perfect circle. That's the problem. A point, by definition cannot exist along the circumference of a perfect circle. This leads to the anomaly of Pi being an irrational number.Vegas » 05 Oct 2023, 10:12 am » wrote: ↑ There is no such thing as a perfect anything. It's all constructed by man. You are not going to find a perfect circle, square, regular polygon, trapezoid, or anything else in nature. We construct it. Circles are perfect because of the way we construct them by taking a fixed radius at a fixed point and then rotating it 360 degrees.
HOWEVER, if you believe I am wrong (I've already laid out my proof) then you are free to present your own proof explaining why Pi is an irrational number.
5 Oct 2023 10:30 am
I understand what this is saying. However, it's only one way to arrive at a circle. If you are going to consider this way, then yes, pi will change. However, the other way is like I said. Take a fixed point in space. Extend it to a fixed line segment. This is the radius. Rotate the endpoint 360 degrees around the fixed point. This will be a perfect circle because the center point is fixed and the radius is fixed. Therefore, the circle will never shift or merge into anything. Since the circumference is fixed, the diameter is fixed. Thus, pi is fixed. It doesn't change.Skans » 04 Oct 2023, 6:02 pm » wrote: ↑ Actually, Pi does change with the roundness of the circle. If you construct a near circle with a thousand tiny lines linked together around a centerpoint, Pi (not true Pi, because its not a true circle) will be a rational number. Lets take this to the extreme and perhaps you can follow me:
C = 2 π R
π = C/2R
Where the Circumference of the near-circle is actually 10 equal-length lines around a centerpoint, a Decagon, Pi will be a rational number:
Assume each line of the Decagon is exactly 10 centimeters long. The Circumference of this near-circle would be 100 centemeters. The radius is 16.18034. So, let's calculate π.
π = C/2R.
π = 100/2*16.18034
π = 100/32.36068
π (near pi) = 3.0901699222685 The digits to the right of the decimal will eventually repeat or stop.
As the circle approaches being perfectly round,π will approach the 3.1415....irrational number. With each iteration of smaller and smaller lines making up the near-circle, π needs to "shift" and morph to accommodate the new near-circle structure.
This should be able to be expressed as a calculus limit. But, its not that easy:
lim π→irrational number−C→more perfect roundness.
It's not easy because I don't know how to express something becoming "more round" to a point of perfect roundness. But, this guy, Yasuhiro Takashimizu, has some additional thoughts on this. https://progearthplanetsci.springeropen ... 015-0078-x
But your way is a matter of taking polygons and then merging them. This excludes the fixed methods, which is possible.
5 Oct 2023 11:11 am
Monderegal » 04 Oct 2023, 1:20 pm » wrote: ↑ We're not trying to frighten you but bad things could happen...
yeah like after that they screwed the tv show I was watching,
5 Oct 2023 11:31 am
In your method, yes, the radius is a fixed, precise line. However, it's the circumference that is not precise. It only approaches perfect roundness. Nor can the radius ever perform a perfect "sweep" of the circumference. I believe this can be proved in the math discipline known as Contour Integration, but that is above my pay grade.Vegas » 05 Oct 2023, 10:30 am » wrote: ↑ I understand what this is saying. However, it's only one way to arrive at a circle. If you are going to consider this way, then yes, pi will change. However, the other way is like I said. Take a fixed point in space. Extend it to a fixed line segment. This is the radius. Rotate the endpoint 360 degrees around the fixed point. This will be a perfect circle because the center point is fixed and the radius is fixed. Therefore, the circle will never shift or merge into anything. Since the circumference is fixed, the diameter is fixed. Thus, pi is fixed. It doesn't change.
But your way is a matter of taking polygons and then merging them. This excludes the fixed methods, which is possible.
5 Oct 2023 11:42 am
5 Oct 2023 11:44 am
Skans » 05 Oct 2023, 11:31 am » wrote: ↑ In your method, yes, the radius is a fixed, precise line. However, it's the circumference that is not precise. It only approaches perfect roundness. Nor can the radius ever perform a perfect "sweep" of the circumference. I believe this can be proved in the math discipline known as Contour Integration, but that is above my pay grade.
I don't think that is correct. There is even an equation of a circle that can plot any point to the circumference.
5 Oct 2023 11:51 am
I am certain that it is correct; i.e. that the infinite non-repeating decimal places of Pi is a function of a circle's roundness as it approaches perfect roundness. You just have to think of this from a different perspective. Stop thinking of Pi as a fixed number. Think of it as a dependent variable. Think of it in terms of a circle, or sphere perfecting its roundness, and then watch in your own mind what happens to the number Pi as the spherical or circular object approaches perfect roundness.Vegas » 05 Oct 2023, 11:44 am » wrote: ↑ I don't think that is correct. There is even an equation of a circle that can plot any point to the circumference.
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