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These poor Israeli's were sitting ducks in their own homes.  Defenseless and slaughtered like animals. 
Why are Israeli citizens not allowed to defend themselves?

...In homes and on landthey stole from Palis.

Land thieves/criminals dont deserve protection.

Weird how neocons CRAVE to worship BULLIES. Sick really

golfboy » 09 Oct 2023, 9:38 am » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 9:38 am

These poor Israeli's were sitting ducks in their own homes.  Defenseless and slaughtered like animals. 
Why are Israeli citizens not allowed to defend themselves?

I thought all Israelis were allowed to own guns?
 

Skans » 09 Oct 2023, 9:44 am » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 9:44 am

I thought all Israelis were allowed to own guns?

Nope.  Like liberal States here in the U.S., the government makes it very diffcult for civilians to own guns. 

Israel’s Gun Laws: No Constitutional “Right to Bear Arms”
 Recent figures published by the National Security Ministry indicate that barely 150,000 Israelis have a personal gun license, or some 2.6% percent of the entire adult population (15-64). This figure excludes weapons held by IDF soldiers, police officers, border guards, and other security personnel — as well as approximately 400,000 illegal firearms, the vast majority circulating in Arab communities.

 In 2023, the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, advanced legislation meant to tackle illegal firearm possession, and the Israel Police has carried out near-daily raids with an eye towards seizing illegal weapons.

Israel’s Firearm Law of 1949 and its related ordinances do not recognize any “right to bear arms,” and private gun ownership is subject to many restrictions. For one, civilians can only apply for a pistol, and rifles are wholly off-limits. Furthermore, as a general rule, civilians can have no more than 50 bullets in their possession at any given time.

And while the vast majority of Israelis receive weapons training during their mandatory military service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), there are numerous additional prerequisites for obtaining a carry license.

“Specific Need to Own a Weapon”
First, Israel’s gun laws include an age requirement. Israelis who completed their two or three-year IDF service can apply after their 20th birthday. Meanwhile, those who did not serve have to wait until they are 27, and non-citizen residents become eligible at the age of 45.

Crucially, prospective licensees are asked to demonstrate a specific need to own a weapon. For example, living or working in the West Bank beyond the Green Line, or in other designated dangerous locations, increases one’s eligibility. Those employed in professions that encounter unsafe situations on a regular basis — including paramedics, firefighters, other emergency responders, and tour guides — are also eligible.

Finally, applicants should have “at least a basic knowledge” of the Hebrew language, present a health declaration signed by a physician, and complete a theoretical exam and compulsory training.

Only after an interview and thorough security check does the applicant receive his or her license, which must be renewed every two years and requires periodic refresher courses.

In 2018, the Firearms Licensing Department rejected roughly 40 percent of all requests.
 

Sumela » 09 Oct 2023, 9:43 am » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 9:43 am

...In homes and on landthey stole from Palis.

Land thieves/criminals dont deserve protection.

Weird how neocons CRAVE to worship BULLIES. Sick really

Sorry *******.  If you start a war, and lose, you lose the land you were fighting over. 

 

golfboy » 09 Oct 2023, 11:48 am » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 11:48 am

Sorry *******.  If you start a war, and lose, you lose the land you were fighting over.

Palis were invaded by wetback Jews....

They have always been trying to protect their borders.  

         
 

golfboy » 09 Oct 2023, 9:38 am » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 9:38 am

These poor Israeli's were sitting ducks in their own homes.  Defenseless and slaughtered like animals. 
Why are Israeli citizens not allowed to defend themselves?

That's pretty messed up.  They should all have access to Tavor X95's and GE Miniguns.
 

Jizzrael is full of

trannies and ***....

This is their favorite gun
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golfboy » 09 Oct 2023, 9:38 am » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 9:38 am

These poor Israeli's were sitting ducks in their own homes.  Defenseless and slaughtered like animals. 
Why are Israeli citizens not allowed to defend themselves?

         In the wake of this attack, they are already in the process of loosening restrictions to allow more citizens acquire guns for self defense.. I know that Israelis living in many of the settlements and border towns deemed at risk of attack carry arms....  It also is beneficial to them being a country of Conscription since 1949, so a large portion of their population has an understanding of firearms and military command.. 

May all the world's locust devour filthy jews and dirty sand ***.

golfboy » 09 Oct 2023, 11:47 am » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 11:47 am

Nope.  Like liberal States here in the U.S., the government makes it very diffcult for civilians to own guns. 

Israel’s Gun Laws: No Constitutional “Right to Bear Arms”
 Recent figures published by the National Security Ministry indicate that barely 150,000 Israelis have a personal gun license, or some 2.6% percent of the entire adult population (15-64). This figure excludes weapons held by IDF soldiers, police officers, border guards, and other security personnel — as well as approximately 400,000 illegal firearms, the vast majority circulating in Arab communities.

 In 2023, the Knesset, Israel’s parliament, advanced legislation meant to tackle illegal firearm possession, and the Israel Police has carried out near-daily raids with an eye towards seizing illegal weapons.

Israel’s Firearm Law of 1949 and its related ordinances do not recognize any “right to bear arms,” and private gun ownership is subject to many restrictions. For one, civilians can only apply for a pistol, and rifles are wholly off-limits. Furthermore, as a general rule, civilians can have no more than 50 bullets in their possession at any given time.

And while the vast majority of Israelis receive weapons training during their mandatory military service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), there are numerous additional prerequisites for obtaining a carry license.

“Specific Need to Own a Weapon”
First, Israel’s gun laws include an age requirement. Israelis who completed their two or three-year IDF service can apply after their 20th birthday. Meanwhile, those who did not serve have to wait until they are 27, and non-citizen residents become eligible at the age of 45.

Crucially, prospective licensees are asked to demonstrate a specific need to own a weapon. For example, living or working in the West Bank beyond the Green Line, or in other designated dangerous locations, increases one’s eligibility. Those employed in professions that encounter unsafe situations on a regular basis — including paramedics, firefighters, other emergency responders, and tour guides — are also eligible.

Finally, applicants should have “at least a basic knowledge” of the Hebrew language, present a health declaration signed by a physician, and complete a theoretical exam and compulsory training.

Only after an interview and thorough security check does the applicant receive his or her license, which must be renewed every two years and requires periodic refresher courses.

In 2018, the Firearms Licensing Department rejected roughly 40 percent of all requests.

I've looked into this matter before...which nations allow gun ownership versus which nations allow gun ownership for the purpose of self defense.
Very few any more allow gun ownership for self defense.
In fact in the USA it really isn't legal for a US Citizen to defend himself with a gun from anyone breaking and entering into his home if the Gun Owner can expect to be automatically arrested and forced to spend his life savings to defend himself from automatic murder charges.
 

Izzies normally just throw rocks at

small Pali kids walking to school.

GHETTOBLASTER » 09 Oct 2023, 2:08 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 2:08 pm

I've looked into this matter before...which nations allow gun ownership versus which nations allow gun ownership for the purpose of self defense.
Very few any more allow gun ownership for self defense.
In fact in the USA it really isn't legal for a US Citizen to defend himself with a gun from anyone breaking and entering into his home if the Gun Owner can expect to be automatically arrested and forced to spend his life savings to defend himself from automatic murder charges.

There should be an ability of someone who defends themself with a gun, where they are found not guilty, to get their attorney's fees paid for by the prosecuting agency.
 

Guns.  Israel.  I can't miss this opportunity to post some of my favorite Jewish Guns....

Tavor 12 Gauge 15 shot semi-auto.


Izzy FAL


  Negev NG7 LMG SF 7.62 Light Machine Gun



 
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 09 Oct 2023, 2:08 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 2:08 pm

I've looked into this matter before...which nations allow gun ownership versus which nations allow gun ownership for the purpose of self defense.
Very few any more allow gun ownership for self defense.
In fact in the USA it really isn't legal for a US Citizen to defend himself with a gun from anyone breaking and entering into his home if the Gun Owner can expect to be automatically arrested and forced to spend his life savings to defend himself from automatic murder charges.

Being arrested is a normal part of protocol.
Doesn't mean you are charged with anything.
It is to be expected that you will be arrested after shooting and killing someone.

I don't know what the hell you mean by "automatic murder charges".
 

DeezerShoove » 09 Oct 2023, 3:56 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 3:56 pm

Being arrested is a normal part of protocol.
Doesn't mean you are charged with anything.
It is to be expected that you will be arrested after shooting and killing someone.

I don't know what the hell you mean by "automatic murder charges".

You shouldn't be arrested in certain shootings.  For example, if you shoot and kill a home invader - no reason for you to be arrested.  I do get it if you are carrying and shoot someone at, say a gas station.  Cops aren't going to be able to sort that set of facts out necessarily. 
 

Skans » 09 Oct 2023, 4:13 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 4:13 pm

You shouldn't be arrested in certain shootings.  For example, if you shoot and kill a home invader - no reason for you to be arrested.  I do get it if you are carrying and shoot someone at, say a gas station.  Cops aren't going to be able to sort that set of facts out necessarily.

"Shouldn't" is a nice word, isn't it?   

"Probably" is closer to the truth.  I'll go with what Massad Ayoob says about it.

Screw the Palestinians. They are subhuman animals. I will never forgive them for their celebrations and delight regarding the 9/11 attacks, and now they've murdered a friend of mine and his family.

Theirs is a poisonous, self-serving evil that lets them think they can brutalize and torture anyone who dares to be or think differently than they do. I say let the Israelis take the gloves off and turn the entirety of Gaza into a crater, where they can salt the earth and make sure the language and the culture of so-called "Palestine" is never spoken anywhere in this world ever again.

Skans » 09 Oct 2023, 3:14 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 3:14 pm

Guns.  Israel.  I can't miss this opportunity to post some of my favorite Jewish Guns....

Tavor 12 Gauge 15 shot semi-auto.


Izzy F

  Negev NG7 LMG SF 7.62 Light Machine Gun

The Israelis have really created some upper echelon firearms  ---especially their smaller & lightweight close quarters / urban Gun designs...

        




 

DeezerShoove » 09 Oct 2023, 3:56 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Oct 2023, 3:56 pm

Being arrested is a normal part of protocol.
Doesn't mean you are charged with anything.
It is to be expected that you will be arrested after shooting and killing someone.

I don't know what the hell you mean by "automatic murder charges".

I think there once was a time when common sense prevailed and so  if you shot and killed  ANYONE who broke into your home...it wasn't automatically assumed that you should be arrested and forced to defend your actions.