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KING REAGAN: loved terrorists...armed them, trained them
KING REAGAN: loved terrorists...armed them, trained them
By Sumela
24 Oct 2023 8:13 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
25 Oct 2023 10:42 am
The crusades were a bunch of Europeans traveling very long distances just to wipe out the Muslims that had lived there centuries before. Historically Christians are a mean bunch of oppressors. This is a religious war and nothing can change that. Christians basic aim in life is to take over the world. They have been sending missionaries to Africa to take away those people's religion for centuries and often the African leaders turned it into their own brand of oppression. We did it to our Native Americans. Did everything we could to take away their religion and if that didn't work we infected them with smallpox. And we're still at it. We support Israel because we prefer them to that other religion. It's sick.Sumela » 24 Oct 2023, 9:52 pm » wrote: ↑ Don't forget IRAN-CONTRA! Flaming Nuns in guatamala, villages bombed, villagers machine gunned down!CIA run amuck!
And then there is Christianity, history's longest lived terror group!
My example of the crusades has nothing to do with free will. It had to do with oppression. And the native people in our country were not allowed much in the way of free will. The Africans were told silly stories that seemed to work in their simple minds.
25 Oct 2023 10:49 am
Allen Dulles, the Nazis, and the CIA
http://www.enter.net/~torve/trogholm/se ... ulles.html
Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg once stated that "The Dulles brothers were traitors." Some historians believe that Allen Dulles became head of the newly formed CIA in large part to cover up his treasonous behavior and that of his clients.
-- Christian Dewar, Making a Killing
Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy." They really only wanted "absolute power."
Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell."
-- Michael Hasty, Paranoid Shift
The study of the past is beset by uncertainty. Experts on ancient inscriptions can easily get into arguments over whether or not two prominent people with the same name were actually a single individual. The student of modern history doesn't normally run into such problems because our lives today are so well documented. But suppose that most present-day records were to be lost in the course of time, leaving only a few semi-mythic narratives. In that case, future historians might well conclude that the only way to make sense of the twentieth century was by assuming that there were actually two Allen Dulleses.
One Allen Dulles, they would tell us, was the head of a powerful group of covert agents who served the great American Republic at mid-century. The other, who lived and worked slightly earlier, had been dedicated to promoting the interests of the Nazi Reich, which was the sworn enemy of the Americans. Despite the coincidence of names, there could obviously have been no connection between them.
We, with our documentation intact, have no choice but to accept that these two Allen Dulleses were one and the same. But the price of our superior knowledge is that for us the twentieth century threatens to make no sense at all.
http://www.enter.net/~torve/trogholm/se ... ulles.html
Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg once stated that "The Dulles brothers were traitors." Some historians believe that Allen Dulles became head of the newly formed CIA in large part to cover up his treasonous behavior and that of his clients.
-- Christian Dewar, Making a Killing
Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy." They really only wanted "absolute power."
Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell."
-- Michael Hasty, Paranoid Shift
The study of the past is beset by uncertainty. Experts on ancient inscriptions can easily get into arguments over whether or not two prominent people with the same name were actually a single individual. The student of modern history doesn't normally run into such problems because our lives today are so well documented. But suppose that most present-day records were to be lost in the course of time, leaving only a few semi-mythic narratives. In that case, future historians might well conclude that the only way to make sense of the twentieth century was by assuming that there were actually two Allen Dulleses.
One Allen Dulles, they would tell us, was the head of a powerful group of covert agents who served the great American Republic at mid-century. The other, who lived and worked slightly earlier, had been dedicated to promoting the interests of the Nazi Reich, which was the sworn enemy of the Americans. Despite the coincidence of names, there could obviously have been no connection between them.
We, with our documentation intact, have no choice but to accept that these two Allen Dulleses were one and the same. But the price of our superior knowledge is that for us the twentieth century threatens to make no sense at all.
25 Oct 2023 10:52 am
Alot of truth in your post.nuckinfutz » 25 Oct 2023, 10:42 am » wrote: ↑ The crusades were a bunch of Europeans traveling very long distances just to wipe out the Muslims that had lived there centuries before. Historically Christians are a mean bunch of oppressors. This is a religious war and nothing can change that. Christians basic aim in life is to take over the world. They have been sending missionaries to Africa to take away those people's religion for centuries and often the African leaders turned it into their own brand of oppression. We did it to our Native Americans. Did everything we could to take away their religion and if that didn't work we infected them with smallpox. And we're still at it. We support Israel because we prefer them to that other religion. It's sick.
My example of the crusades has nothing to do with free will. It had to do with oppression. And the native people in our country were not allowed much in the way of free will. The Africans were told silly stories that seemed to work in their simple minds.
However, it mainly applies to Catholicism and Protestantism.
Both share a commonality - proselytization of the world.
This meshed/meshes PERFECTLY and timely with the West's imperial and colonial
goals since the 1600s. "Manifest Destiny"..."The White Mans Burden".
It was the perfect storm and thus blossomed...UkSEPshuNALjizm.
However, Christian Orthodoxy is a completely different animal -
the only Christian sect that doesnt worship Jews or manifest imperialistic goals
25 Oct 2023 11:01 am
And then there was "the Soviet threat." For years, President Reagan said that in Nicaragua we had the Soviets and Cubans in our own backyard. He said there were Russians flying airplanes in this hemisphere meaning into Nicaragua-for the first time in all of history. And like much of what Reagan said-he was never a stickler for accuracy-this was not true. Aeroflot had been flying into Canada, into Mexico, into Latin America, into New York City, for 30 or 40 years on a daily basis, not to mention flying in and out of Cuba continuously.
In the end, the Nicaraguan operation was a bittersweet success for Ronald Reagan. He swore, and failed in this promise, that the Sandinistas would be out of office before he was (after his second term ending in 1989). The Sandinistas were eventually ousted, but under President Bush's watch, after Reagan had retired. Meanwhile, Reagan had seen his presidency virtually destroyed in the Iran/contra scandal of 1986.
Moreover, President Reagan had failed in his broader goal. He campaigned his way into office in 1980 by advocating war in many of his speeches. He had assured the nation during and after the 1960s that he would have managed the Vietnam War differently. He promised to restore the nation's confidence in its ability to wage war and win. After the invasion of Grenada in October 1983, his constituents sported bumper stickers proclaiming "Nicaragua Next ". "America Feeling Great Again" became the slogan of his 1984 presidential campaign. Meanwhile, the National Guard rehearsed constantly for the invasion of Nicaragua. By the fall of 1986, many respected observers in Washington believed that the date for the invasion had been set for February 1987. There were many indicators. The Pentagon was stirring.
Then, in October 1986, the Iran/contra scandal struck. The Reagan administration suffered a number of serious blows: the downing of the Hasenfus plane over Nicaragua, exposure of illegal arms sales to Iran which had held Americans hostage off and on since the Carter presidency, and quite possibly a decision by the nation's non-political financial managers that an invasion of Nicaragua would have disastrous repercussions throughout Latin America. President Reagan was effectively crippled. He may narrowly have escaped impeachment. Certainly, he no longer had the clout to sell a war to the nation and to a reluctant military establishment. Secret Third World Wars by John Stockwell
In the end, the Nicaraguan operation was a bittersweet success for Ronald Reagan. He swore, and failed in this promise, that the Sandinistas would be out of office before he was (after his second term ending in 1989). The Sandinistas were eventually ousted, but under President Bush's watch, after Reagan had retired. Meanwhile, Reagan had seen his presidency virtually destroyed in the Iran/contra scandal of 1986.
Moreover, President Reagan had failed in his broader goal. He campaigned his way into office in 1980 by advocating war in many of his speeches. He had assured the nation during and after the 1960s that he would have managed the Vietnam War differently. He promised to restore the nation's confidence in its ability to wage war and win. After the invasion of Grenada in October 1983, his constituents sported bumper stickers proclaiming "Nicaragua Next ". "America Feeling Great Again" became the slogan of his 1984 presidential campaign. Meanwhile, the National Guard rehearsed constantly for the invasion of Nicaragua. By the fall of 1986, many respected observers in Washington believed that the date for the invasion had been set for February 1987. There were many indicators. The Pentagon was stirring.
Then, in October 1986, the Iran/contra scandal struck. The Reagan administration suffered a number of serious blows: the downing of the Hasenfus plane over Nicaragua, exposure of illegal arms sales to Iran which had held Americans hostage off and on since the Carter presidency, and quite possibly a decision by the nation's non-political financial managers that an invasion of Nicaragua would have disastrous repercussions throughout Latin America. President Reagan was effectively crippled. He may narrowly have escaped impeachment. Certainly, he no longer had the clout to sell a war to the nation and to a reluctant military establishment. Secret Third World Wars by John Stockwell
25 Oct 2023 11:04 am
Then you must have loved Reagan then...
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25 Oct 2023 11:07 am
Hamas executes Palestinians for ‘collaboration’ with IsraelRedheadedStranger » 25 Oct 2023, 11:04 am » wrote: ↑ Then you must have loved Reagan then...
Your boys.
The Hamas Islamist movement ruling the Gaza Strip announced on Sunday (4 September) that it executed five Palestinians, including two for “collaboration” with Israel.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... th-israel/
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25 Oct 2023 11:29 am
MurQans have short memories
and even less in intelligence
Fall for the same tricks every time. 
After meeting with the Taliban in 1985 ...King Reagan
spoke to MurKans....
""these gentlemen are the moral equivalents
of America's founding fathers""
and even less in intelligence
Fall for the same tricks every time. After meeting with the Taliban in 1985 ...King Reagan
spoke to MurKans....
""these gentlemen are the moral equivalents
of America's founding fathers""
25 Oct 2023 11:47 am
Osama Bin Laden: Mr. Reagan may I have training, money, weapons?
King Reagan: to fight the bigly evil Afghan Socialist Govt??
Osama Bin Laden: Yes of course.....goes on to form Al Qeada....911....etc
King Reagan: to fight the bigly evil Afghan Socialist Govt??
Osama Bin Laden: Yes of course.....goes on to form Al Qeada....911....etc
25 Oct 2023 2:14 pm
That's back when the Mujahideen (the Taliban didn't exist yet) were fighting the Imperialist Russian oppressors wasn't it?Sumela » 25 Oct 2023, 11:29 am » wrote: ↑ MurQans have short memories
and even less in intelligence
After meeting with the Taliban in 1985 ...King Reagan
spoke to MurKans....
""these gentlemen are the moral equivalents
of America's founding fathers""
If I remember right, those peace loving Russians slaughtered about 2 million Afghan civilians during that war too... before the flip flop wearing ragheads kicked their commie bastard asses back to Moscow.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
25 Oct 2023 2:59 pm
Mrkelly » 25 Oct 2023, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑ if you believed that they wanted to kill you and your family
you might
A desire to protect my family? Exactly my point.
The weapons don't create the desire.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
25 Oct 2023 6:32 pm
I remember something about Obama with fast and furious, arming South American/Mexican cartels, DCF, Department of Agriculture stock piling ammunition for the weapons they call military style.
25 Oct 2023 7:52 pm
YES!Nostradamus'omh » 25 Oct 2023, 6:32 pm » wrote: ↑ I remember something about Obama with fast and furious, arming South American/Mexican cartels, DCF, Department of Agriculture stock piling ammunition for the weapons they call military style.
We agree!
All Prezzies are part of a criminal organization called: WASH DC
25 Oct 2023 8:25 pm
is that your leap of faith or just another landing on an incomplete result factual enough to fit anything else is possible mentality.Sumela » 25 Oct 2023, 7:52 pm » wrote: ↑ YES!
We agree!
All Prezzies are part of a criminal organization called: WASH DC :wave: :wave: :wave:
25 Oct 2023 8:40 pm
Nostradamus'omh » 25 Oct 2023, 8:25 pm » wrote: ↑ is that your leap of faith or just another landing on an incomplete result factual enough to fit anything else is possible mentality.
25 Oct 2023 9:05 pm
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