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car buyers should go on strike
car buyers should go on strike
By jerra b
27 Oct 2023 10:11 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
5 Nov 2023 9:19 am
You'd also know the original argument was for passenger cars, not trucks, tanks, SUVs etc.GHETTOBLASTER » 04 Nov 2023, 6:22 pm » wrote: ↑ If you knew anything about physics [or even automotive engineering as a hobby] you'd know that a properly defended micro car can be engineered to "give ground" from a low speed impact with much less steel involved than with a car that has a bigger footprint.You'd
A rigid bumper on a passenger car is not as safe as a crumple zone but the OP wanted to make it sound like car manufacturers are doing it to be cheap, instead of passenger safety.
5 Nov 2023 9:21 am
Actually, it is. The OP claimed that passenger cars no longer have rigid metal bumpers due to cost, which we both know is not true.GHETTOBLASTER » 04 Nov 2023, 6:18 pm » wrote: ↑ This thread is not about that.
This thread is a complaint about how modern bumpers allow way too much damage after a low speed hit.
"Crumple Zone" crash resistance ALONE obviously does not guard against low speed damage that better bumpers could guard against.
I think I've reached "Ad Nauseum Stage" with you about this matter by now..
5 Nov 2023 10:15 am
one can have rigid bumpers on crumple zone cars.Str8tEdge » 05 Nov 2023, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑ You'd also know the original argument was for passenger cars, not trucks, tanks, SUVs etc.
A rigid bumper on a passenger car is not as safe as a crumple zone but the OP wanted to make it sound like car manufacturers are doing it to be cheap, instead of passenger safety.
Crumple zones don't crumble on impacts less than 5 miles per hour and rigid bumpers are designed to lift taller objects/people that get hit over the car, not underneath it.
Crumple zone cars reduce the trama of second impact of passengers slamming into dashboards and things in front of them inside the car. Kind of why it isn't smart to stack things in the rear window ledge as they tend to fly forward at the speed of the impact.
Mass times motion increases the force of impact. that physics of things in motion different from stationary or potential energy not released.
5 Nov 2023 11:21 am
Show me your proof that what you say here is true.Str8tEdge » 05 Nov 2023, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑ Actually, it is. The OP claimed that passenger cars no longer have rigid metal bumpers due to cost, which we both know is not true.
Show me your proof that Detroit has ever gone one penny above and beyond whatever the bare minimum damage resistance standard is.
Show me the standard.
Show me your proof that having a more substantial bumper in any way compromises the effectiveness of the monocoque [crumple type] structure.
We both know that you can't so please stop wasting my time pretending that you know more about this matter than I do.
5 Nov 2023 11:26 am
Str8tEdge » 05 Nov 2023, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑ You'd also know the original argument was for passenger cars, not trucks, tanks, SUVs etc.
A rigid bumper on a passenger car is not as safe as a crumple zone but the OP wanted to make it sound like car manufacturers are doing it to be cheap, instead of passenger safety.
You have no idea WTF you are talking about.
Tell me what makes any unibody car any more of a "crumple zone car" than any other unibody car...?
What does having a more substantial bumper have anything to do with any unibody car's ability to crumple and vector off crash energy that gets past the bumper...?
We both know you have no answer for that. The car mfgs could do better if there was a mandate to do better but they don't.
5 Nov 2023 12:57 pm
jerrab » 27 Oct 2023, 10:22 pm » wrote: ↑ not much of a bumper here either. a minor dent would destroy an engine,
A minor dent would destroy an engine? Wtf are you smoking? That's ridiculous.
5 Nov 2023 1:32 pm
murdock » 05 Nov 2023, 1:57 pm » wrote: ↑ A minor dent would destroy an engine? Wtf are you smoking? That's ridiculous.
yes it would with the soft metal used today
5 Nov 2023 1:40 pm
it is discusting how car manufaactures put out the cheapest cars possible but yet charge the highest prices.murdock » 05 Nov 2023, 1:57 pm » wrote: ↑ A minor dent would destroy an engine? Wtf are you smoking? That's ridiculous.
5 Nov 2023 2:11 pm
The engine is inside the frame. Stop spewing nonsense.
5 Nov 2023 2:15 pm
Read the OP.GHETTOBLASTER » 05 Nov 2023, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑ You have no idea WTF you are talking about.
Tell me what makes any unibody car any more of a "crumple zone car" than any other unibody car...?
What does having a more substantial bumper have anything to do with any unibody car's ability to crumple and vector off crash energy that gets past the bumper...?
We both know you have no answer for that. The car mfgs could do better if there was a mandate to do better but they don't.
5 Nov 2023 2:16 pm
/yawnGHETTOBLASTER » 05 Nov 2023, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑ Show me your proof that what you say here is true.
Show me your proof that Detroit has ever gone one penny above and beyond whatever the bare minimum damage resistance standard is.
Show me the standard.
Show me your proof that having a more substantial bumper in any way compromises the effectiveness of the monocoque [crumple type] structure.
We both know that you can't so please stop wasting my time pretending that you know more about this matter than I do.
5 Nov 2023 2:16 pm
In some cases manufacturers are using thinner sheet metal that is tempered. Tempering replaces the lost stretch of the heavier part but it makes the part less fixable once it gets bent out of shape. Heat is not supposed to be used for repairs either, since that de-tempers the metal.
Big Rig Truck frames are nowadays tempered to save considerable weight but they are to some degree less repairable too.
Big Rig Truck frames are nowadays tempered to save considerable weight but they are to some degree less repairable too.
5 Nov 2023 2:18 pm
No surprise here......
but thanks for wasting my time with your useless swarf.
5 Nov 2023 2:18 pm
Run into a wall with a 2X4 in front of you and a pillow. Tell mew which one absorbs more impact.Nostradamus'omh » 05 Nov 2023, 11:15 am » wrote: ↑ one can have rigid bumpers on crumple zone cars.
Crumple zones don't crumble on impacts less than 5 miles per hour and rigid bumpers are designed to lift taller objects/people that get hit over the car, not underneath it.
Crumple zone cars reduce the trama of second impact of passengers slamming into dashboards and things in front of them inside the car. Kind of why it isn't smart to stack things in the rear window ledge as they tend to fly forward at the speed of the impact.
Mass times motion increases the force of impact. that physics of things in motion different from stationary or potential energy not released.
5 Nov 2023 2:18 pm
Take your own advice.
You state that large rigid bumpers impede safety which is atotally ridiculous and unsupported "*** Pull" on your part.
5 Nov 2023 2:19 pm
You're just arguing to argue with you were already wasting your own time.GHETTOBLASTER » 05 Nov 2023, 3:18 pm » wrote: ↑ No surprise here......
5 Nov 2023 2:31 pm
Hyperbole doesn't explain self evident results any more than speculating hypothetical maybes that don't fit evolving taking place in series parallel time specifically occupying space now.Str8tEdge » 05 Nov 2023, 3:18 pm » wrote: ↑ Run into a wall with a 2X4 in front of you and a pillow. Tell mew which one absorbs more impact.
5 Nov 2023 2:47 pm
ToxiClay •2 yr. agoThe newer cars are more fragile. This means that they're more likely to deform and break -- but, here's the key. Deforming and breaking saps some of the force of the collision.If the car were built strong and rigid, more of the force would be transmitted through the frame and into the body of the car.Designing the car to twist and warp and deform means less force gets put on you, the operator.
5 Nov 2023 3:13 pm
This what edge drives! Weird!Str8tEdge » 05 Nov 2023, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑ You'd also know the original argument was for passenger cars, not trucks, tanks, SUVs etc.
A rigid bumper on a passenger car is not as safe as a crumple zone but the OP wanted to make it sound like car manufacturers are doing it to be cheap, instead of passenger safety.
@Str8tEdge
5 Nov 2023 3:34 pm
Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.jerrab » 05 Nov 2023, 3:47 pm » wrote: ↑ ToxiClay •2 yr. agoThe newer cars are more fragile. This means that they're more likely to deform and break -- but, here's the key. Deforming and breaking saps some of the force of the collision.If the car were built strong and rigid, more of the force would be transmitted through the frame and into the body of the car.Designing the car to twist and warp and deform means less force gets put on you, the operator.
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