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car buyers should go on strike
car buyers should go on strike
By jerra b
27 Oct 2023 10:11 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
5 Nov 2023 3:48 pm
and here is my opening statement----------------------
cars today have no bumpers, made with cheap metal, what would have been a dented bumper now is front or rear damage that would cost thousands yet the manufactures charge 23,000 at least for new cars and even used cars are the same, no bumpers front or back and made with cheap metal.
5 Nov 2023 3:57 pm
Bumpers on cars today are not made of cheap metal, they are made of metal at all, they are plastic. If you want a car with "real" heavy gauge metal, then buy an older car. Any car made before 1987 should have the kind of bumpers you like. Metal bumpers are heavy and lower fuel mileage, and the plastic bumpers crumple and prevent damage to the people inside the car. It is a lot cheaper to repair a bumper than it is to replace almost any part of your anatomy.jerrab » 27 Oct 2023, 10:11 pm » wrote: ↑ cars today have no bumpers, made with cheap metal, what would have been a dented bumper now is front or rear damage that would cost thousands yet the manufactures charge 23,000 at least for new cars and even used cars are the same, no bumpers front or back and made with cheap metal.
5 Nov 2023 4:13 pm
Xavier_Onassis » 05 Nov 2023, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑ Bumpers on cars today are not made of cheap metal, they are made of metal at all, they are plastic. If you want a car with "real" heavy gauge metal, then buy an older car. Any car made before 1987 should have the kind of bumpers you like. Metal bumpers are heavy and lower fuel mileage, and the plastic bumpers crumple and prevent damage to the people inside the car. It is a lot cheaper to repair a bumper than it is to replace almost any part of your anatomy.
there are no bumpers on cars made these days.
5 Nov 2023 4:34 pm
jerrab » 05 Nov 2023, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑ and here is my opening statement----------------------
cars today have no bumpers, made with cheap metal, what would have been a dented bumper now is front or rear damage that would cost thousands yet the manufactures charge 23,000 at least for new cars and even used cars are the same, no bumpers front or back and made with cheap metal.
By all means keep spewing ****
5 Nov 2023 4:59 pm
I had a plastic bumper and my car was slammed from behind hard enough that the seat belts tightened and no damage to the bumper or the car and I was fine.Xavier_Onassis » 05 Nov 2023, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑ Bumpers on cars today are not made of cheap metal, they are made of metal at all, they are plastic. If you want a car with "real" heavy gauge metal, then buy an older car. Any car made before 1987 should have the kind of bumpers you like. Metal bumpers are heavy and lower fuel mileage, and the plastic bumpers crumple and prevent damage to the people inside the car. It is a lot cheaper to repair a bumper than it is to replace almost any part of your anatomy.
5 Nov 2023 5:31 pm
Xavier_Onassis » 05 Nov 2023, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑ Metal bumpers are heavy and lower fuel mileage, and the plastic bumpers crumple and prevent damage to the people inside the car. It is a lot cheaper to repair a bumper than it is to replace almost any part of your anatomy.
Plastic "bumpers" that crumple can still be situated behind a more substantial bumper mounted in front.
The additional weight of the more substantial bumper [let's say 200 pounds] more than pays for the negligible decrease in fuel mileage with far fewer low speed accident claims.
5 Nov 2023 7:14 pm
jerrab » 05 Nov 2023, 3:47 pm » wrote: ↑ ToxiClay •2 yr. agoThe newer cars are more fragile. This means that they're more likely to deform and break -- but, here's the key. Deforming and breaking saps some of the force of the collision.If the car were built strong and rigid, more of the force would be transmitted through the frame and into the body of the car.Designing the car to twist and warp and deform means less force gets put on you, the operator.
coupled with cars made with no bumpers, car owners are sitting ducks for high repair jobs for low impact accidents.
5 Nov 2023 7:29 pm
It does for passenger cars, DUH. Or they'd be on the front of every passenger car being made.GHETTOBLASTER » 05 Nov 2023, 3:18 pm » wrote: ↑ Take your own advice.
You state that large rigid bumpers impede safety which is atotally ridiculous and unsupported "*** Pull" on your part.
2. I gave an excellent example: Run into a wall with a 2X4 in front of you and a pillow. Tell me which one absorbs impact, *******.
And find someone else to argue your stupidity with.
5 Nov 2023 7:29 pm
That's what I used to bang ur mom on.
5 Nov 2023 9:07 pm
You're an idiot.
6 Nov 2023 5:04 am
Your "excellent example" would leave those who have created the chassis design safety specs for NASCAR and NHRA ...rolling their eyes.....Str8tEdge » 05 Nov 2023, 8:29 pm » wrote: ↑ It does for passenger cars, DUH. Or they'd be on the front of every passenger car being made.
2. I gave an excellent example: Run into a wall with a 2X4 in front of you and a pillow. Tell me which one absorbs impact, *******.
And find someone else to argue your stupidity with.
Why don't you contact those sanctioning bodies with your "most excellent" pillow versus 2x4 example and maybe we'll see paper thin sheet metal "crumple" chassis mandated for all Top Fuelers, Funny Cars and Pro Stockers instead of the usual 4130 Rigid Steel Chrome Moly Tubing Crash Bars that have saved countless lives....
Air bags, 4 wheel anti lock brakes, lower aspect ratio wheels and tires, lower center of gravity chassis designs, improved interior padding, safety harnesses and doors with MASSIVE CRASH RESISTANT STEEL PLATES......are the biggest advances in passenger safety.
"Crumple Zone" is nothing more than a marketing term that will make you believe that a cheap sheet metal "unibody" chassis is superior to the massive steel "2x4 Chassis" shown in the photo.
Life Saving "2x4 Chassis" shown below........[ yes the main frame rails really are 2 x 3 x .130" wall mild steel rectangular tubing]
Get a clue Dude..your're way out of your league here.
6 Nov 2023 8:01 am
Rational minds compare statistically averaged facts used historically to cover up how evolving only works in series parallel time each reproduction is limited to spontaneously alive since conceived until dead and decomposed from occupying time everything else is still evolving whether the dead person existed or not.Xavier_Onassis » 05 Nov 2023, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑ Bumpers on cars today are not made of cheap metal, they are made of metal at all, they are plastic. If you want a car with "real" heavy gauge metal, then buy an older car. Any car made before 1987 should have the kind of bumpers you like. Metal bumpers are heavy and lower fuel mileage, and the plastic bumpers crumple and prevent damage to the people inside the car. It is a lot cheaper to repair a bumper than it is to replace almost any part of your anatomy.
Your intellectual mind won't deal with your actual brain navigating space uniquely here as simultaneously displaced as a simple compounded set of chromosomes wishing now wasn't eternity.
That is the total sum value of your time occupying space pretending the ideas you mind are superior to your body adapting as displaced spontaneously here since you were conceived.
Please get all up in the air and state how important you were training last generation arrivals of other people's replacements to never accept why they exist as displaced.
You will die protecting reasonable doubt.
6 Nov 2023 8:08 am
Why you VILE BASS TURD!
She flushed your stinky ***!
@Str8tEdge
6 Nov 2023 8:44 am
200 lbs would decrease the mpg about 2%.GHETTOBLASTER » 05 Nov 2023, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑ Plastic "bumpers" that crumple can still be situated behind a more substantial bumper mounted in front.
The additional weight of the more substantial bumper [let's say 200 pounds] more than pays for the negligible decrease in fuel mileage with far fewer low speed accident claims.
That is a rule-of-thumb.
I think your 200 pound bumper is a ridiculously estimate high though.
Maybe a front and rear bumper would get you there.
So being conservative in this guess, $3.50/gal, 15,000 miles per year, 24 mpg.
You'd spend at least $44.00 a year to carry weight around to assuage your fear of bumperitis.
By the way, this will NOT save you from damage. Nothing can stop damage completely.
If you get tagged hard enough, you will still pay. After paying $44.00 per year on top.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
6 Nov 2023 9:10 am
I'm not out of my league enough to know you keep comparing apples to oranges. Trucks to passenger cars and now NASCAR a dragsters?GHETTOBLASTER » 06 Nov 2023, 6:04 am » wrote: ↑ Your "excellent example" would leave those who have created the chassis design safety specs for NASCAR and NHRA ...rolling their eyes.....
Why don't you contact those sanctioning bodies with your "most excellent" pillow versus 2x4 example and maybe we'll see paper thin sheet metal "crumple" chassis mandated for all Top Fuelers, Funny Cars and Pro Stockers instead of the usual 4130 Rigid Steel Chrome Moly Tubing Crash Bars that have saved countless lives....
Air bags, 4 wheel anti lock brakes, lower aspect ratio wheels and tires, lower center of gravity chassis designs, improved interior padding, safety harnesses and doors with MASSIVE CRASH RESISTANT STEEL PLATES......are the biggest advances in passenger safety.
"Crumple Zone" is nothing more than a marketing term that will make you believe that a cheap sheet metal "unibody" chassis is superior to the massive steel "2x4 Chassis" shown in the photo.
Life Saving "2x4 Chassis" shown below........[ yes the main frame rails really are 2 x 3 x .130" wall mild steel rectangular tubing]
Get a clue Dude..your're way out of your league here.
6 Nov 2023 9:16 am
DeezerShoove » 06 Nov 2023, 9:44 am » wrote: ↑ 200 lbs would decrease the mpg about 2%.
That is a rule-of-thumb.
I think your 200 pound bumper is a ridiculously estimate high though.
Maybe a front and rear bumper would get you there.
So being conservative in this guess, $3.50/gal, 15,000 miles per year, 24 mpg.
You'd spend at least $44.00 a year to carry weight around to assuage your fear of bumperitis.
By the way, this will NOT save you from damage. Nothing can stop damage completely.
If you get tagged hard enough, you will still pay. After paying $44.00 per year on top.
200 pounds covers both front and back bumpers plus the weight of 4 energy absorbing shock absorbers.
An extra $44 per year for fuel... I wouldn't notice.
A nice hefty bumper system made out of forged aluminum would save some weight..but would take 10 years worth of fuel savings to pay for itself.
Modern cars are getting "Totaled Out" with ridiculously low speed impacts and it would take just 200 pounds worth of extra steel to greatly improve the odds of being able to drive away from some of these impacts. .
6 Nov 2023 9:17 am
What changes between metaphors of out of one's league and out of one's lane? Is that comparing alternate realities with parallel universes while evolving only evolves one way regardless where it happens in the universe now sustaining a populating food chain in its native atmosphere geographically living as currently taking place in this one?Str8tEdge » 06 Nov 2023, 10:10 am » wrote: ↑ I'm not out of my league enough to know you keep comparing apples to oranges. Trucks to passenger cars and now NASCAR a dragsters? :rofl: :rofl:
What makes relative time "Relative"? Generation gaps left evolving forward one at a time here now. Break the numbers per gap living ince conceived to replace their previous 4 and what becomes of their unique chromosomes any generation after arrived?
You a damned medical professional here, explain the physical outcomes in real time since inception of this species.
6 Nov 2023 9:22 am
Str8tEdge » 06 Nov 2023, 10:10 am » wrote: ↑ I'm not out of my league enough to know you keep comparing apples to oranges. Trucks to passenger cars and now NASCAR a dragsters?
When you get your revolutionary and life saving "Crumple Zone Pillow Concept" approved by NASCAR...let me know...!!!
6 Nov 2023 9:24 am
Let me know when you can compare apples to apples so we can actually discuss the topic.GHETTOBLASTER » 06 Nov 2023, 10:22 am » wrote: ↑ When you get your revolutionary and life saving "Crumple Zone Pillow Concept" approved by NASCAR...let me know...!!!
Thanks.
**** asshole.
6 Nov 2023 9:26 am
GHETTOBLASTER » 3 minutes ago » wrote: ↑Str8tEdge » 06 Nov 2023, 10:24 am » wrote: ↑ Let me know when you can compare apples to apples so we can actually discuss the topic.
Thanks.
3 minutes ago
When you get your revolutionary and life saving "Crumple Zone Pillow Concept" approved by NASCAR...let me know...!!!
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