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Str8tEdge » 06 Nov 2023, 10:24 am » wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023, 10:24 am

Let me know when you can compare apples to apples so we can actually discuss the topic.

Thanks. :rofl:   :rofl:   :rofl:  **** asshole.

When will your educated after birth mind navigate space same way your conceived brain does without a word believing now isn't eternity within your body of unique chromosomes like no other ever lived or added again?

Nostradamus' omh » 06 Nov 2023, 10:27 am » wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023, 10:27 am

When will your educated after birth mind navigate space same way your conceived brain does without a word believing now isn't eternity within your body of unique chromosomes like no other ever lived or added again?

this strike will end GM forward. It was done to collapse the American car manufacturing capability on the world stage. it was performed by top down chain of command and bottom up union organizers creating a global one world order.

Every debates left vs right, but there are leaderships vs fellowships, rank and unranked people on both left and right then there are ancestors added and people dying changing population left alive now.

Pay attention to the alternate realities in this 8 hemisphere graph of several alternate realities combined into a whole universal situation evolving leaves any ancestor alive with now. It is basically the optics to rule of 72.

https://i.postimg.cc/3wtqVzgz/Picture-152.jpg

There are 6 different angles looking outside in with 4 corners visible from each of the perpendicular vantage points. At the same time there are 8 separate one directional 3 sides ways to see beyond current position.

6 x 4 and 8 x 3 are both 24/7.

Now lefts look at it from periodic elements in 3 states, gaseous. liquid, mineral. 120 estimated possible, 119 identified and there could be more. there are 3 axises 2 horizontal and one center mass vertical

Now lets discuss the colors, yellow is am/dawn side of the planet. Orange is dusk, blue is night, green is day facing the center star of its solar system in a specific galaxy among the specific galaxies timed apart now perpetually balancing before humans ever existed. Red is norther hemisphere and pink is southern. shall we discuss event horizons of relative time theory in a kinetic perpetually balancing universe and why they are constantly never ending and ancestries are never same shape since conceived in series parallel time occupying space here.

there are 6 sides and past, current, future comes 72 different interpretations within the same whole situation where vertical poles are 2 parents the horizontal 4 corners are 4 grandparents, and center mass is each grandchild replacing the 6 people that combined their chromosomes into that grandchild never being same chromosomes getting reproduced again because of compounding combinations never duplicated twice.

All reasonable doubts lead back to everyone believing now isn't eternity. Money isn't the root of all evil practiced live.

Mandatory self deception is by rule of law organizing reasonable doubts until extinction does it.

I tried to explain this to my union in 1982 and nobody listened then either. 1983 Federal Judge dismantled At&t.

Str8tEdge » 05 Nov 2023, 8:29 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 8:29 pm

It does for passenger cars, DUH. Or they'd be on the front of every passenger car being made.

Explain how having a hefty enough pair of bumpers to avoid body damage @ 5 mph [or less]  has any negative effect on how well a  "crumple zone" chassis is able to  absorb and deflect higher  collision forces.
Personally I think both can work in tandem.
Your "pillow and 2 x 4" example was good for laughs...but it falls way short of proving that a more substantial pair of bumpers can't work in tandem with the formed sheetmetal "crumple zone" structure.
The MFGers leave the more substantial bumpers out bc the lenient safety requirements for low speed damage control allow them to.
I want to see you furnish actual test results that prove your point and no more ridiculously hair brained  *** pulls from you.
 
 
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 06 Nov 2023, 2:00 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023, 2:00 pm

Explain how having a hefty enough pair of bumpers to avoid body damage @ 5 mph [or less]  has any negative effect on how well a  "crumple zone" chassis is able to  absorb and deflect higher  collision forces.
Personally I think both can work in tandem.
Your "pillow and 2 x 4" example was good for laughs...but it falls way short of proving that a more substantial pair of bumpers can't work in tandem with the formed sheetmetal "crumple zone" structure.
The MFGers leave the more substantial bumpers out bc the lenient safety requirements for low speed damage control allow them to.
I want to see you furnish actual test results that prove your point and no more ridiculously hair brained  *** pulls from you.

So your going to have the hefty bumper magically fall off before a serious collision?        

This is why tens of millions have been spent on engineers to engineer these crumple zones with maximum passenger safety in mind.

Trucks have completely different dynamics. So do dragsters.

GHETTOBLASTER » 06 Nov 2023, 10:26 am » wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023, 10:26 am

GHETTOBLASTER » 3 minutes ago » wrote: ↑
3 minutes ago
When you get your revolutionary and life saving  "Crumple Zone Pillow Concept" approved by NASCAR...let me know...!!!      

It's an analogy for simple minds as to why passenger cars no longer have rigid metal bumpers.....The impact was transferred easier to the occupants of the cars.....

Str8tEdge » 06 Nov 2023, 2:15 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023, 2:15 pm

It's an analogy for simple minds as to why passenger cars no longer have rigid metal bumpers.....The impact was transferred easier to the occupants of the cars.....

How does a complicated brain navigate time for a body adapting as displaced in series parallel time evolving here now?uniquely present as eternally separated in plain sight?

You are a health care specialist, explain it biologically here without speculating nobody can know how compounding chromosomes are the ever changing people alive now.

Nostradamus'omh » 06 Nov 2023, 2:41 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023, 2:41 pm

How does a complicated brain navigate time for a body adapting as displaced in series parallel time evolving here now?uniquely present as eternally separated in plain sight?

You are a health care specialist, explain it biologically here without speculating nobody can know how compounding chromosomes are the ever changing people alive now.

A really -smart complicated brain--   Doesn't even try.... you should know better!   lol
it's a waste of energy!
 
 

sooted up Cyndi » 06 Nov 2023, 2:46 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023, 2:46 pm

A really -smart complicated brain--   Doesn't even try.... you should know better!   lol
it's a waste of energy!
 
 

Not trying to change his mind. Giving people a chance to reclaim their own brain by explaining the simple results of genetics eternally separates any reproduction native to this atmosphere.

I cover natural evolving and creating next generations until no more great great grandchildren arrive replacing their previous 4 gaps lived to this point in time.

Specificity asked for, specificity without reasonable doubt given. Each ancestor gets to choose stay with corruption or correct their ancestral lineages common mistake and keep the reality working the supply chain used historically here making life easier to cope with. without fighting against their own species each generation here on which side corrupts next 5 generations again.

My wicked sense of humor came out again.

GHETTOBLASTER » 06 Nov 2023, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023, 10:16 am

200 pounds covers both front and back bumpers plus the weight of  4 energy absorbing shock absorbers. 
An extra $44 per year for fuel... I wouldn't notice.
A nice hefty bumper system made out of forged aluminum would save some weight..but would take 10 years worth of fuel savings to pay for itself.
Modern cars are getting "Totaled Out" with ridiculously low speed impacts and it would take  just 200 pounds worth of extra steel to greatly improve the odds of being able to drive away from some of these impacts. .

There is great competition to be "best in class" and don't forget corporations pay a penalty for bad mileage.
Corporate Average Fuel Economy entails financial burdens that get passed on to . . . guess who?  

CAFE has been around for 50 years and this conversation is a direct result of that (among other requirements).
Some are set with a vengeance and some make for better cars.

DeezerShoove » 06 Nov 2023, 2:59 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023, 2:59 pm

There is great competition to be "best in class" and don't forget corporations pay a penalty for bad mileage.
Corporate Average Fuel Economy entails financial burdens that get passed on to . . . guess who?  

CAFE has been around for 50 years and this conversation is a direct result of that (among other requirements).
Some are set with a vengeance and some make for better cars.

Yep The MFGRs usually won't spend an extra nickel anywhere unless there's a mandate.
One modern car I've gotten to know up close and personal was my GF's Fiat 500 Sport. It's got the nicely styled plastic fascia body panels front and back that have a few crash sensor switches discreetly mounted to deploy the air bags. Behind the plastic panels are formed sheet metal panels [probably tempered] to act as the actual bumpers and as the first part of the actual sheet metal "crumple structure".
A crumple structure can be a "right triangle" sheet metal inner fender and bulkheads with the long side [hypotenuse] arranged so that it folds before the shorter sides of the triangle do. The longest side of the triangle being the weakest.
This is how engineers can get one side of the so called "Crumple Zone" to fail [collapse] predictably in the same direction
I'm sure I didn't have to point this out to str8edge.....   ]
The crumple zone will behave the same whether there's a big bumper or a small one working in tandem with it.. The bigger bumper will take more of the load off the crumple zone....which is a good thing bc once the crumple zone has crumpled you'll be looking for a new car to drive.
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 06 Nov 2023, 7:39 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023, 7:39 pm

Yep The MFGRs usually won't spend an extra nickel anywhere unless there's a mandate.
One modern car I've gotten to know up close and personal was my GF's Fiat 500 Sport. It's got the nicely styled plastic fascia body panels front and back that have a few crash sensor switches discreetly mounted to deploy the air bags. Behind the plastic panels are formed sheet metal panels [probably tempered] to act as the actual bumpers and as the first part of the actual sheet metal "crumple structure".
A crumple structure can be a "right triangle" sheet metal inner fender and bulkheads with the long side [hypotenuse] arranged so that it folds before the shorter sides of the triangle do. The longest side of the triangle being the weakest.
This is how engineers can get one side of the so called "Crumple Zone" to fail [collapse] predictably in the same direction
I'm sure I didn't have to point this out to str8edge.....   ]
The crumple zone will behave the same whether there's a big bumper or a small one working in tandem with it.. The bigger bumper will take more of the load off the crumple zone....which is a good thing bc once the crumple zone has crumpled you'll be looking for a new car to drive.

All of that is semi-true.
The crash sensor is not on the bumper. The actual impact spike Is better read from a mid-occupant G-force meter. It has to be tuned specifically to the car via crash testing. It can be calibrated pretty close in modeling but computers can't be relied on to certify.
The ones I worked on are about the size of an iPhone but twice as thick. Just big enough to be a pain in the *** to find room for. They're always trying to be "center car" to get a reliable spike upon impact. That means right in the console area with shifter, trans, seat belt attach, wires and tubes running fore and aft...
The reliable spike means it doesn't accidentally deploy because you slam the car door or a shopping cart bumps or an uncritical fender bender. Deployed airbags are expensive as hell to replace so seeking the exact millisecond and amplitude is critical in a crash sensor. 

Crumple zones being crushed are not necessarily a totaled car btw. They are not all triangles by a long shot either. Protecting the occupant "box" is a systems approach.

My instinctive brain sees this thread as a subliminal way to get people to use mass transit which will end people owning personal vehicles also.

Win win scenario for those governing tomorrows today and everyone believes they(leaderships) are working for the common reproduction left alive now.

DeezerShoove » 06 Nov 2023, 10:28 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Nov 2023, 10:28 pm

All of that is semi-true.
The crash sensor is not on the bumper.

https://autoily.com/where-is-the-airbag ... ated/Where Is The Airbag Sensor Located?Airbag sensors are placed in the front around common impact zones so they’re more likely to detect a collision. They’re usually fitted behind the bumper so they can register a crash as soon as possible.

If you take a good look at how the sheet metal is doubled @ the inner fender aprons to form the strut towers, the forward radiator bulkhead and the area that's ahead of the bulkhead I think you'll find that they form triangles...or else trapezoids.
 
 

jerrab » 27 Oct 2023, 10:11 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Oct 2023, 10:11 pm

cars today have no bumpers, made with cheap metal, what would have been a dented bumper now is front or rear damage that would cost thousands yet the manufactures charge 23,000 at least for new cars and even used cars are the same, no bumpers front or back and made with cheap metal.

I have been on a car-buying strike.  As my Jeep now has over 255K miles on it, I'm hoping it will make it to 300+
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 07 Nov 2023, 8:38 am » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2023, 8:38 am

https://autoily.com/where-is-the-airbag ... ated/Where Is The Airbag Sensor Located?Airbag sensors are placed in the front around common impact zones so they’re more likely to detect a collision. They’re usually fitted behind the bumper so they can register a crash as soon as possible.

If you take a good look at how the sheet metal is doubled @ the inner fender aprons to form the strut towers, the forward radiator bulkhead and the area that's ahead of the bulkhead I think you'll find that they form triangles...or else trapezoids.

The actual deployment of an airbag system is not sensed in the bumper.
Are you thinking of an alert system for driver assist and pre-braking?
 
The "shotgun" is a nickname for the reinforcement under the left and right edge of the hood opening.
Its chief duty during impact is to crumple.
Yeah, it's wider at one end than the other. That's mainly for structural integrity during use.
The impact safety comes from the tube which acquired the nickname long ago.
It looked like a shot gun while still in the Body-In-White stage.

DeezerShoove » 07 Nov 2023, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2023, 12:08 pm

The actual deployment of an airbag system is not sensed in the bumper.
Are you thinking of an alert system for driver assist and pre-braking?
 
The "shotgun" is a nickname for the reinforcement under the left and right edge of the hood opening.
Its chief duty during impact is to crumple.
Yeah, it's wider at one end than the other. That's mainly for structural integrity during use.
The impact safety comes from the tube which acquired the nickname long ago.
It looked like a shot gun while still in the Body-In-White stage.

I guess I could spend the rest of the day providing you with links that prove that the air bag sensor location is right up behind the bumper...or else I can get on with other things to do.

 
 

Deezer Shoove » 07 Nov 2023, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2023, 12:08 pm

The actual deployment of an airbag system is not sensed in the bumper.
Are you thinking of an alert system for driver assist and pre-braking?
 
The "shotgun" is a nickname for the reinforcement under the left and right edge of the hood opening.
Its chief duty during impact is to crumple.
Yeah, it's wider at one end than the other. That's mainly for structural integrity during use.
The impact safety comes from the tube which acquired the nickname long ago.
It looked like a shot gun while still in the Body-In-White stage.

semantics are such a psychological class warfare methodology used within all alternate realities on the New World Order Stage of events promising better tomorrows than genetics sustains population currently here..

Deezer Shoove » 07 Nov 2023, 12:08 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2023, 12:08 pm

The actual deployment of an airbag system is not sensed in the bumper.
Are you thinking of an alert system for driver assist and pre-braking?
 
The "shotgun" is a nickname for the reinforcement under the left and right edge of the hood opening.
Its chief duty during impact is to crumple.
Yeah, it's wider at one end than the other. That's mainly for structural integrity during use.
The impact safety comes from the tube which acquired the nickname long ago.
It looked like a shot gun while still in the Body-In-White stage.

semantics are such a psychological class warfare methodology used within all alternate realities on the New World Order Stage of events promising better tomorrows than genetics sustains population currently here..

the sol called crumble zones are designed to lift the passenger compartment to go above the crushing car parts flow underneath the people in the car bodies being slammed by momentum to the point of collision.

Before crumble zones all that metal would crush the people pressed against the incoming damage.

that is why seatbelts came first to help stop second impact by passengers slammed into the side impacted in the collision. Basic physics of universal constants with masses in motion.

Movements and motions aren't always going in the same direction at the same time. where is all that physics at in your navigating space spontaneously moving in the simultaneously motion of everything evolving separately.

All that supernatural entities **** clouding your brain since birth.

GHETTOBLASTER » 07 Nov 2023, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2023, 1:08 pm

I guess I could spend the rest of the day providing you with links that prove that the air bag sensor location is right up behind the bumper...or else I can get on with other things to do.

I'll give you that one.
It's been a while for me. Now they have radar and motion sensing devices all over vehicles.
Ford (as stodgy as they are) has a couple pretty cool features.

My Ranger has radar in the tail lamps and another device (I assume radar) in center of front bumper.
When I was driving through a slushy sleet storm last year, I couldn't use cruise control.
At first I thought: software glitch.
At a rest stop I looked at the grille and bumper. The block, about 5" square, was coated with ice.
When I knocked that off everything worked beautifully. It has Adaptive Cruise Control.

Always sensing the cars in front and maintaining that car's speed.
When it moves over, my truck goes back up to my set speed. Very nice feature.
Unless there's slushy roads, I guess.   

All that **** is part of the crash sensing now apparently.
The pulse sensing unit mid-car was the best way 10 years ago.
(I wonder if they still have that on this Ford. So far I see additional sensors but not that the other has gone away. Your picture only shows part of the story.)

At least you admit there is a bumper.   

GHETTOBLASTER » 07 Nov 2023, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Nov 2023, 1:08 pm

I guess I could spend the rest of the day providing you with links that prove that the air bag sensor location is right up behind the bumper...or else I can get on with other things to do.

Looks like a diagram of Bureaucratic Regulations. Don't need any of that damn stuff to make the car run.