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Large Russian advance strangles 11,000 Ukrainians in Avdivka: Ukrainian defenses collapsed – Pincers close from North & South (maps) - WarNews247

righteous » 03 Nov 2023, 7:30 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2023, 7:30 pm

Large Russian advance strangles 11,000 Ukrainians in Avdivka: Ukrainian defenses collapsed – Pincers close from North & South (maps) - WarNews247

NATO failing BIGLY    

Sumela » 03 Nov 2023, 10:04 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2023, 10:04 pm

NATO failing BIGLY  

Do NATO members themselves actually believe Russia is in the wrong?
Kind of seems their hearts aren't in this "war" and motivation is low.
Weird.

I thought the story not so long ago was that NATO was the biggest and most powerful military alliance in the world. That was, in part, the reason why Putin did not want them lurking any closer to Russia in the first place.

Now which is it...
Big and powerful, to-be-feared-at-all-costs, bullies?
Or failed, weak, doddering alliance of clowns?

Has this situation revealed some truth?
 

Sumela » 03 Nov 2023, 10:04 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2023, 10:04 pm

NATO failing BIGLY  

YES BRO! 
THEY CAPTURED THE COKE PLANT, MOST IMPORTANT STRONGHOLD. NOW THE FALL OF AVDIVKA 
 

Sumela » 03 Nov 2023, 10:04 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2023, 10:04 pm

NATO failing BIGLY  

Soskin: All soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine trained by NATO instructors were killed or wounded (sila-rf.ru)
       

DeezerShoove » 03 Nov 2023, 10:17 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2023, 10:17 pm

Do NATO members themselves actually believe Russia is in the wrong?
Kind of seems their hearts aren't in this "war" and motivation is low.
Weird.

I thought the story not so long ago was that NATO was the biggest and most powerful military alliance in the world. That was, in part, the reason why Putin did not want them lurking any closer to Russia in the first place.

Now which is it...
Big and powerful, to-be-feared-at-all-costs, bullies?
Or failed, weak, doddering alliance of clowns?

Has this situation revealed some truth?

Diplomacy pre war indicates Putin has a small penis. That Russia refuses to use pronouns on demand by the delusional. If that isn't enough to die for the second most corrupt democracy in Europe, I don't know what is. 
 

righteous » 03 Nov 2023, 7:30 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2023, 7:30 pm

Large Russian advance strangles 11,000 Ukrainians in Avdivka: Ukrainian defenses collapsed – Pincers close from North & South (maps) - WarNews247

Literally anyone who has ever played a military board game could see that one coming. Seriously - there was an enormous pocket that was surrounded on three sides containing divisions of ukrainian defenders. When I saw it on a map, I wondered whether they would retreat or be swallowed - the two obvious options. 

Sumela » 03 Nov 2023, 10:04 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2023, 10:04 pm

NATO failing BIGLY  

Remember that big pocket a bit south of the center of the front?

Yeah - it's gone. Who could have seen THAT coming.     
 

DeezerShoove » 03 Nov 2023, 10:17 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2023, 10:17 pm

Do NATO members themselves actually believe Russia is in the wrong?
Kind of seems their hearts aren't in this "war" and motivation is low.
Weird.

I thought the story not so long ago was that NATO was the biggest and most powerful military alliance in the world. That was, in part, the reason why Putin did not want them lurking any closer to Russia in the first place.

Now which is it...
Big and powerful, to-be-feared-at-all-costs, bullies?
Or failed, weak, doddering alliance of clowns?

Has this situation revealed some truth?

It is none of the above.

NATO The United States, manipulating NATO, started this proxy war with russia to exhaust their reserves, knowing this move in israel was on the books and wanting a weakened Russia when they expand the conflict on some pretext to include syria.

Mind you, this is my suspicion - I cannot prove it. But it illustrates that your either/or is likely a false dichotomy.

As to the final question, I believe the truth it has revealed to our NATO partners is that we are very much to be distrusted. A domino is going to fall somewhere - maybe sarajevo, for symmetry, - and the U.S. is going to find itself isolated, with its overseas ports indefensible against the enraged populations of the host countries. The sixth fleet isn't that mighty when it's out of provisions.
 
 
 

righteous » 03 Nov 2023, 10:26 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2023, 10:26 pm

Soskin: All soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine trained by NATO instructors were killed or wounded (sila-rf.ru)
     

If NATO-trained forces stayed in that pocket, it means trannies and queers are the piss poor trainers we all suspected them to be. 

Neo » 03 Nov 2023, 10:40 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2023, 10:40 pm

Diplomacy pre war indicates Putin has a small penis. That Russia refuses to use pronouns on demand by the delusional. If that isn't enough to die for the second most corrupt democracy in Europe, I don't know what is.

Putin could have a needle dick - but the balls on the mother **** have their own weather systems.

On our side, there's Joe. At least he has hairy legs (just ask corn pop, or the daughter he showered with).
 

Cannonpointer » 03 Nov 2023, 11:41 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2023, 11:41 pm

It is none of the above.

NATO The United States, manipulating NATO, started this proxy war with russia to exhaust their reserves, knowing this move in israel was on the books and wanting a weakened Russia when they expand the conflict on some pretext to include syria.

Mind you, this is my suspicion - I cannot prove it. But it illustrates that your either/or is likely a false dichotomy.

As to the final question, I believe the truth it has revealed to our NATO partners is that we are very much to be distrusted. A domino is going to fall somewhere - maybe sarajevo, for symmetry, - and the U.S. is going to find itself isolated, with its overseas ports indefensible against the enraged populations of the host countries. The sixth fleet isn't that mighty when it's out of provisions.

Thanks for the insight. Seriously.

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I'm still wondering how much this old saying comes into play:
"When you enemies are destroying themselves, don't interrupt."

Seems China is doing that. A weakened Russia wouldn't hurt their feelings at all.

As for distrust, I don't actually believe very many countries fully trust each other, allies or not.
Varying degrees depending on the stakes. That's not new... We may be in a deeper trough than usual.

A side note in that same vein is the Soviet break up.
Russia was always the in-control motherland surrounding herself with sacrificial vassals. That was USSR.
This current dust up is simply Russia dismissing Ukraine as a potential wasteland really.
In the big picture they don't give two **** about "The Russian Speaking...blah blah blah"...
It is convenient theater IMO. They merely want a buffer. It could be a giant marsh for all it matters.

Politicians ANYWHERE don't care about casualties a whole lot... unless it can be helpful for their careers.
Then it's an act. Russian or American or Chinese.

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I have a friend... Yes, I have one.
We agree that as we've matured we have come to set our expectations very low.
People are no damned good and once in a while we are pleasantly surprised.
We don't like disappointment so this helps keep those numbers low, I guess.   

Cannonpointer » 03 Nov 2023, 11:29 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Nov 2023, 11:29 pm

Remember that big pocket a bit south of the center of the front?

Yeah - it's gone. Who could have seen THAT coming.   

Yes, the BIG counter offensive where 70K Ukes died

trying to breach just the FIRST line of Russian defenses.

Russian renamed the German Leopards....Roman Candles    
 

DeezerShoove » 04 Nov 2023, 8:44 am » wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2023, 8:44 am

Thanks for the insight. Seriously.

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I'm still wondering how much this old saying comes into play:
"When you enemies are destroying themselves, don't interrupt."

Seems China is doing that. A weakened Russia wouldn't hurt their feelings at all.

As for distrust, I don't actually believe very many countries fully trust each other, allies or not.
Varying degrees depending on the stakes. That's not new... We may be in a deeper trough than usual.

A side note in that same vein is the Soviet break up.
Russia was always the in-control motherland surrounding herself with sacrificial vassals. That was USSR.
This current dust up is simply Russia dismissing Ukraine as a potential wasteland really.
In the big picture they don't give two **** about "The Russian Speaking...blah blah blah"...
It is convenient theater IMO. They merely want a buffer. It could be a giant marsh for all it matters.

Politicians ANYWHERE don't care about casualties a whole lot... unless it can be helpful for their careers.
Then it's an act. Russian or American or Chinese.

-

I have a friend... Yes, I have one.
We agree that as we've matured we have come to set our expectations very low.
People are no damned good and once in a while we are pleasantly surprised.
We don't like disappointment so this helps keep those numbers low, I guess. 

I was talking to a gal near my age a few months back and I was explaining her unexamined life to her. She was rueful that her friendships were crumbling around her as she and they lacked the energy they used to have for get-togethers. I smiled and shook my head. I told her that our 20s and 30s are the gathering years, when we develop the critical friendships that will define our lives, reflect our character, and bespeak our values. 

Our 40s and 50s are the years of maintaining those friendships in the face of being pulled this way and that - the years of putting in the effort because those friendships define us, and they merit that attention. 

Our 60s and 70s are the years of reassessing the ongoing value of those friendships, and deciding which few continue to be worth the effort, because even though we have more time, we have less energy and vitality. She seemed upset by these news, so I didn't tell her that our 80s and 90s, should we reach those, are the years of watching the obits between naps so that we can remember fondly - or maybe say **** like, "I warned him..."

She was saddened by these news, and I suggested that she needn't be saddened - that life is richer when observed and savored rather than fretted over and resisted. There was nothing wrong with childhood or young adulthood or the middling years, and there is nothing bad about sunset. The colors are richer and prettier, even if you can no longer run toward them. Just never let any son of a bitch restrict your salt. 
 
 

Sumela » 04 Nov 2023, 11:08 am » wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2023, 11:08 am

Yes, the BIG counter offensive where 70K Ukes died

trying to breach just the FIRST line of Russian defenses.
 

They got to see how the sausage is made.  
 

Cannonpointer » 04 Nov 2023, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2023, 1:08 pm

They got to see how the sausage is made.

The worst I saw was from a colleague who sent me

a Telegram video of a Uke soldier holding his own 

leg that was blown off.  Just nasty.  

As Bernard at Moon of Alabama ended his article yesterday....""Russia has won""" 
 

Cannonpointer » 04 Nov 2023, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2023, 1:03 pm

I was talking to a gal near my age a few months back and I was explaining her unexamined life to her. She was rueful that her friendships were crumbling around her as she and they lacked the energy they used to have for get-togethers. I smiled and shook my head. I told her that our 20s and 30s are the gathering years, when we develop the critical friendships that will define our lives, reflect our character, and bespeak our values. 

Our 40s and 50s are the years of maintaining those friendships in the face of being pulled this way and that - the years of putting in the effort because those friendships define us, and they merit that attention. 

Our 60s and 70s are the years of reassessing the ongoing value of those friendships, and deciding which few continue to be worth the effort, because even though we have more time, we have less energy and vitality. She seemed upset by these news, so I didn't tell her that our 80s and 90s, should we reach those, are the years of watching the obits between naps so that we can remember fondly - or maybe say **** like, "I warned him..."

She was saddened by these news, and I suggested that she need be saddened - that life is richer when observed and savored rather than fretted over and resisted. There was nothing wrong with childhood or young adulthood or the middling years, and there is nothing bad about sunset. The colors are richer and prettier, even if you can no longer run toward them. Just never let any son of a bitch restrict your salt.

You are either saying some **** back to me that I have said as well,
or,
we think alike on some things.

I've never had enough patience to maintain friendships that require much work.
Yeah, there are people I've known for many years but somehow I get the feeling THEY are the ones putting in the work. Not me.

One of my good friends and I have a mutual dislike, distrust, disrespect for people.
We are trying to make baby steps and correct that once in a while. Like tolerate each other...
It ain't easy bein' mean.  

 

DeezerShoove » 04 Nov 2023, 1:51 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2023, 1:51 pm

You are either saying some **** back to me that I have said as well,
or,
we think alike on some things.

I've never had enough patience to maintain friendships that require much work.
Yeah, there are people I've known for many years but somehow I get the feeling THEY are the ones putting in the work. Not me.

One of my good friends and I have a mutual dislike, distrust, disrespect for people.
We are trying to make baby steps and correct that once in a while. Like tolerate each other...
It ain't easy bein' mean.

I have a trick that I use when a friendship or a job is coming to an end. I hump their leg. While I do it, I roll my eyes back in my head and plaster a retarded smile on my face. 

I've made bosses forget they came in to fire me - stretched the free ride for a few more weeks. When they come in to fire me wearing a butchers apron, I know the jig is up. 

Yup, I think we think alike. But I break pattern with what I said. Two of my favorite friendships are from my fifties - the maintenance years, not the gathering years. 

I'm young at heart. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZRn4auk4PQ
 

Cannonpointer » 04 Nov 2023, 2:27 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Nov 2023, 2:27 pm

I have a trick that I use when a friendship or a job is coming to an end. I hump their leg. While I do it, I roll my eyes back in my head and plaster a retarded smile on my face. 

I've made bosses forget they came in to fire me - stretched the free ride for a few more weeks. When they come in to fire me wearing a butchers apron, I know the jig is up. 

Yup, I think we think alike. But I break pattern with what I said. Two of my favorite friendships are from my fifties - the maintenance years, not the gathering years. 

I'm young at heart. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZRn4auk4PQ

You can fool lots of people by acting pathetic and stupid.
Then you run into some asshole like me.   

There was a comedian that talked about aging by mentioning how we heal.
He said, "Remember when you could stab yourself in the arm and just watch it heal?
Now that **** takes forever."
Coupled with another comedian's comment:
"We are all temps in the largest sense of the word."

Sums up a life well spent.  

Russia has Avdiivka in pincers. Just like Bakhmut several months ago.

The three most heavily fortified areas of E. Ukraine:

Mariupol....Russia took that city 15 mos ago and is busily rebuilding it.
Bakhmut...Russia took this city several mos ago.
Avdiivka...the most heavily fortified of them all. Could fall very soon.

Russia has more men, more ammo, better logistics.

NATO/Murica did what the always do...
overestimate themselves and....underestimate their "enemy

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