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Vegas » 05 Nov 2023, 11:41 am » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 11:41 am

Nope. 

ideologies aren't chromosomes. Syllables aren't DNA. a species speculating life isn't self evident, chooses ancestrally not to respect self evident living here one of a kind.

Vegas » 05 Nov 2023, 11:32 am » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 11:32 am

Zionism is the culprit of all of Israel's actions. Zionism is a movement, not a belief. The Jews don't have a uniform agreement, except for one thing: To establish a land for Jews in their native homeland of Palestine. In 1948, they got it. It's now Israel. The land was awkwardly divided. They want all of the land, not just a fair share. All of it. Since 1948 to the present, they were able to take almost 75% of it. Either through violence or manipulation. Israel drew first blood. They were and still are able to get away with this because they have a friend in a high place, USA. We help them.

Thank you.

Do you have info about Israeli’s first violent actions?

Nostradamus'omh » 05 Nov 2023, 11:44 am » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 11:44 am

ideologies aren't chromosomes. Syllables aren't DNA. a species speculating life isn't self evident, chooses ancestrally not to respect self evident living here one of a kind.

I think you are the perfect product of aimless Godlessness.

Are you mentally stable? Do you have children? Do they listen to you?
 
I don’t think you could possibly be of any help to anyone evolved in plain sight here now. LOL
 

Vegas » 05 Nov 2023, 9:51 am » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 9:51 am

Obviously Shapiro takes the conflict in Israel personally given that he is a Jew. I can't find it, but he recently made a TikTok about who control Gaza. He essentially said that Gaza is controlled by Hamas, not Israel. Then he went on to say it is a war crime for Hamas to use civilians as shields, thereby relinquishing Israel from any guilt of killing Palestinian civilians.

Two points that he conveniently left out: 

1. Israel controls 80% of Palestine's water supply. The other 20% is polluted ****. You cannot say that a territory is under control of a group of people when their water supply is not under the control of the same people. They gave them Gaza, and in return, they controlled what their life depends on. 
@Neo  this is one example, out of many, what I have been saying. You only see "Israel gave up something for them." Then turn around and think Israel is so generous. These agreements are full of these stupid disgusting tactics. 

2. Yes, Hamas is committing war crimes by using their civilians as shields. We already know that. How does that free Israel from guilt? Al Queda and the Taliban did the same ****. They also used civilians as shields. However, we sent in troops and snipers to pluck them off. We didn't bomb the whole village. 
Here is a view that Shapiro conveniently left out: Just because it is legal to bomb them, doesn't make it morally right. Israel has the resources to do what we did. They choose not to.

If detail insignificant, what does it matter?

Tempest62 » 05 Nov 2023, 11:50 am » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 11:50 am

Thank you.

Do you have info about Israeli’s first violent actions?

This is where it is complicated, in my opinion. It's not about who fired first, it's about who occupied first. Goes back to the Zionism. As soon as Israel was granted their status as an independent state, the war began. The Arabs knew that Israel had no desire to stop at the land given to them. They were going to encroach. So who fired first? Well, the Arab guerrillas. But were they justified? I say yes. They were right. Israel took almost 75% of their land, just as they predicted they would and everyone stood by. 


That's why I don't give any credence to people when they say "Israel is just defending themselves." If they would stop encroaching and illegally taking their land, then maybe they wouldn't get attacked so much.
 

Sergei » 05 Nov 2023, 12:09 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 12:09 pm

If detail insignificant, what does it matter?

It was sarcasm. 
 

Vegas » 05 Nov 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 12:27 pm

This is where it is complicated, in my opinion. It's not about who fired first, it's about who occupied first. Goes back to the Zionism. As soon as Israel was granted their status as an independent state, the war began. The Arabs knew that Israel had no desire to stop at the land given to them. They were going to encroach. So who fired first? Well, the Arab guerrillas. But were they justified? I say yes. They were right. Israel took almost 75% of their land, just as they predicted they would and everyone stood by. 

That's why I don't give any credence to people when they say "Israel is just defending themselves." If they would stop encroaching and illegally taking their land, then maybe they wouldn't get attacked so much.

I see. Thanks for the education.
 

Ben Shapiro

The Rat Faced *** Jew

Tempest62 » 05 Nov 2023, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 12:33 pm

I see. Thanks for the education.

Thanks for being open minded. I used to be one of the pro-Israel conservatives. "Screw those Arab rag heads" And all that. But I also never bothered reading the history. I only gave you a very watered down simplified version. It's far more reaching. However, at the end of the day, Israel wants the whole Middle East and will stop at nothing until it gets it. If they are forced to give land back, then they manipulate things to remain control, such as controlling most of the water supply to Gaza.  

https://www.pfmep.org/misleading-and-harmful/

Interesting read.

RebelGator » 05 Nov 2023, 10:39 am » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 10:39 am

The point is Israel refuses to be slaughtered like cattle.

While they are slaughtering people like cattle....you left this bit out as usual.....



 

Vegas » 05 Nov 2023, 9:51 am » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 9:51 am

Obviously Shapiro takes the conflict in Israel personally given that he is a Jew. I can't find it, but he recently made a TikTok about who control Gaza. He essentially said that Gaza is controlled by Hamas, not Israel. Then he went on to say it is a war crime for Hamas to use civilians as shields, thereby relinquishing Israel from any guilt of killing Palestinian civilians.

Two points that he conveniently left out: 

1. Israel controls 80% of Palestine's water supply. The other 20% is polluted ****. You cannot say that a territory is under control of a group of people when their water supply is not under the control of the same people. They gave them Gaza, and in return, they controlled what their life depends on. 
@Neo  this is one example, out of many, what I have been saying. You only see "Israel gave up something for them." Then turn around and think Israel is so generous. These agreements are full of these stupid disgusting tactics. 

2. Yes, Hamas is committing war crimes by using their civilians as shields. We already know that. How does that free Israel from guilt? Al Queda and the Taliban did the same ****. They also used civilians as shields. However, we sent in troops and snipers to pluck them off. We didn't bomb the whole village. 
Here is a view that Shapiro conveniently left out: Just because it is legal to bomb them, doesn't make it morally right. Israel has the resources to do what we did. They choose not to.

Being dependent on Israel for water and electricity are practical reasons not to **** in their own beds. They should have spent some of their terrorist billions on water desalination plants. No, they would rather focus on murdering jews. 
 
 

Vegas » 05 Nov 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 12:27 pm

. So who fired first? Well, the Arab guerrillas. 
 

A point of interest:
I read that Jews paid half the property taxes in Palestine in 1946.
I don't know if that is true but kind of smacks in the face that it was all Arab land.
 

Tempest62 » 05 Nov 2023, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 11:52 am

I think you are the perfect product of aimless Godlessness.

Are you mentally stable? Do you have children? Do they listen to you?
 
I don’t think you could possibly be of any help to anyone evolved in plain sight here now. LOL
 

when your brain navigates being eternally separated, the person knows eternity is but the moment here living is limited to adapting as displaced never same results again.

Nothing stays the same as before means anything here is never the same as arrived again. You typecast me as a mentality that fears change while you demand society practice same ideas every generation population is never same people again and you say nobody knows where the missing links are factually when actually there never were any.

Neo » 05 Nov 2023, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 12:59 pm

Being dependent on Israel for water and electricity are practical reasons not to **** in their own beds. They should have spent some of their terrorist billions on water desalination plants. No, they would rather focus on murdering jews.

Israel wouldn't allow the gazan's to build a desalination plant .....oops...

What if we had done the reverse? Let’s say Israel had allowed the construction of a deepwater port for Gaza, the rebuilding of the Strip’s airport and even the building of a desalination plant so

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2019-05 ... f3af400000
 
 

Fuelman » 05 Nov 2023, 1:04 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 1:04 pm

A point of interest:
I read that Jews paid half the property taxes in Palestine in 1946.
I don't know if that is true but kind of smacks in the face that it was all Arab land.

I don't think they had a choice. The point is that Jews want Palestinian land for their dream of Zion. They have since the very beginning. They are getting it. That's why I say Israel drew first blood. 

Neo » 05 Nov 2023, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 12:59 pm

Being dependent on Israel for water and electricity are practical reasons not to **** in their own beds. They should have spent some of their terrorist billions on water desalination plants. No, they would rather focus on murdering jews.

What money? Israel built a blockade to prevent Palestine from entering free trade. They shot the Palestinians into poverty. I don't know why you still trust Israel after everything that @Cannonpointer  and I presented to you. They aren't victims. 

Fuelman » 05 Nov 2023, 12:53 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 12:53 pm

https://www.pfmep.org/misleading-and-harmful/

Interesting read.

“…The BDS movement’s use of the “loss of land” maps and the constant reference to Jewish “ethnic cleansing” is reckless, dishonest, and contradicted by the plainly observable facts. It is throwing kerosene on a fire and the very antithesis of Christian peacemaking.”
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Is this true?
 

Vegas » 05 Nov 2023, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 1:17 pm

I don't think they had a choice. The point is that Jews want Palestinian land for their dream of Zion. They have since the very beginning. They are getting it. That's why I say Israel drew first blood.

Netanyahu and his Likud party ......

Benjamin Netanyahu was elected to lead the Likud after Shamir’s retirement in 1993. Three years later, Netanyahu was elected prime minister on a platform opposing the Oslo Accords and promising to bring the country greater security in the wake of an escalation in terrorism. Despite his skepticism of Oslo, he continue negotiations with the Palestinians and signed the Wye River Memorandum in which Israel agreed to additional redeployments of Israeli forces in the West Bank. Netanyahu also strengthened the economy by accelerating the privatization of government companies and reducing the deficit.Following a vote of no confidence, Netanyahu called for early elections in 1999, which for the second time involved the direct election of the prime minister. Netanyahu was subsequently trounced by Ehud Barak and temporarily retired from politics. He was succeeded by Ariel Sharon as party leader.Following an escalation of violence, and the failed Camp David negotiations in which many Israeli voters were angered by the perception that Barak was prepared to divide Jerusalem and support the establishment of a Palestinian state, Barak was defeated in the 2001 elections by Sharon. During his term, Sharon led Operation Defensive Shield and ordered the construction of the security fence to help protect Israel from Palestinian terrorism in the West Bank. In 2005, Sharon carried out his Gaza disengagement plan, which caused a schism in the party. Sharon left the Likud shortly thereafter to form the Kadima Party.After Sharon left, Netanyahu was once again elected leader of Likud and returned the party to power in 2009. In October 2012, Netanyahu and Avigdor Lieberman, head of the Yisrael Beiteinu party, announced that their parties would run as a joint ticket in the January 2013 elections. 

Continued at....

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/hi ... ikud-party

 
 

Tempest62 » 05 Nov 2023, 1:27 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Nov 2023, 1:27 pm

“…The BDS movement’s use of the “loss of land” maps and the constant reference to Jewish “ethnic cleansing” is reckless, dishonest, and contradicted by the plainly observable facts. It is throwing kerosene on a fire and the very antithesis of Christian peacemaking.”
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Is this true?

Can't say for sure, I think most of us are playing catch up on all the crap and history of the area.
I do believe Vegas is correct in saying the Arabs cast the first stone. Mainly due to the Partition Plan.