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nefarious101 » 24 Nov 2023, 7:03 am » wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023, 7:03 am

maineman » 23 Nov 2023, 2:25 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Nov 2023, 2:25 pm

I am a little confused.

oh God...here we go with the gender thing again

Let's hear the man out...
 

maineman » 24 Nov 2023, 8:24 am » wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023, 8:24 am

The mail-in ballot, which is retained for a specified period of time after counting, IS its own verifiable paper trail .

Hear hear!

It's like a tampon string. It's either there, or it's not. 

Personally, I don't want to know, one way or the other. Teach a man to fish, just ewww.
 

maineman » 24 Nov 2023, 7:27 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023, 7:27 pm

to true believers like you, proof of systemic voter fraud is always just a day away.  keep hope alive.

It's the mueller report redux!
 

HillaryClinton » 24 Nov 2023, 7:50 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023, 7:50 pm

It's the mueller report redux!

I'm curious.  Did you ever read the Mueller Report?  Y/N?

maineman » 24 Nov 2023, 8:22 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023, 8:22 pm

I'm curious.  Did you ever read the Mueller Report?  Y/N?

Neither that, nor Moby Dick. 

And both for the same reason - someone bribed the critics.
 

HillaryClinton » 24 Nov 2023, 9:03 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023, 9:03 pm

Neither that, nor Moby Dick. 

And both for the same reason - someone bribed the critics.

I read them both, because unlike you, I am NOT a sheeple, and I don't rely on other people to tell me what to think about the documents I read,

Majik » 24 Nov 2023, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023, 8:45 am

 Do you remember this ....

15 Dec, 2020 08:21Court-ordered audit concludes Dominion voting machines were intentionally designed to ‘create systemic fraud

https://www.rt.com/usa/509674-michigan- ... ors-fraud/

​​​​​​Well , the Latest Audit of Dominion voting machinesi in Georgia corroborates what was found in Michigan in 2020.......especially the error rate.

Here’s a Georgia, election supervisor laying out the process how Dominion voting machines ‘adjudicated’ the 2020 Insurrection at 68.05% error rate.“Can you scan a ballot more than once and COUNT THEM?”“I just done it” pic.twitter.com/fYkhsyLdHP— 

also Chris Krebs did not initiate an investigation whatsoever ....which was his **** job at the time . 
so, you trying to use Krebs and his dereliction of duty to try and prove anything is you grasping at straws ......

@maineman  ?

Any **** mouthing on this?

maineman » 24 Nov 2023, 9:06 am » wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023, 9:06 am

Antrim County?  Old News.  LONG AGO debunked:

https://time.com/6128812/the-steal-antr ... -michigan/
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GPO ... 915111.pdf
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investig ... land-asog/

the list goes on and on and on

THERE'S the little girl!

An agenda piece, a whiny document with no force in law that was NOT ordered by a court and does not overcome the audit that the court DID order, and another agenda piece.
 

maineman » 24 Nov 2023, 8:22 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023, 8:22 pm

I'm curious.  Did you ever read the Mueller Report?  Y/N?

I am also curious. Are you interested in seeing and commenting on the REST of the J6 story?

Y/N?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evRIetWVqQk
 

maineman » 24 Nov 2023, 8:22 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023, 8:22 pm

I'm curious.  Did you ever read the Mueller Report?  Y/N?

Mueller didn't even read the Mueller report.


 
The collapse of Mueller and his report

Total confusion at hearings discredits Mueller findings

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/07/25 ... is-report/

"Bobby Three Sticks" and "It's Mueller Time!"

 
 

Cannonpointer » 25 Nov 2023, 1:35 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 1:35 am

I am also curious. Are you interested in seeing and commenting on the REST of the J6 story?

Y/N?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evRIetWVqQk

As I have said before, I am sure that one can find hours and hours of videotape from J6 in the capitol that shows peaceful, meandering folks doing nothing nefarious.  Just as I believe that, were there hundreds of video cameras everywhere around Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, there would be hours and hours of uneventful, footage of happy, peaceful Texans waiting to get a glimpse of Camelot.  In both cases, the hours and hours of peaceful uneventful footage would not obscure the violence that concurrently unfolded.  Footage of a capitol police officer calmly escorting a group of Trump supporters down a corridor does NOT mean that other Trump supporters were not smashing through barriers, breaking windows, and beating LEO's with pikes.

Z09, who is currently on your ignore list, made this post.
Display this post.
 

maineman » 25 Nov 2023, 8:39 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 8:39 am

As I have said before, I am sure that one can find hours and hours of videotape from J6 in the capitol that shows peaceful, meandering folks doing nothing nefarious.  Just as I believe that, were there hundreds of video cameras everywhere around Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, there would be hours and hours of uneventful, footage of happy, peaceful Texans waiting to get a glimpse of Camelot.  In both cases, the hours and hours of peaceful uneventful footage would not obscure the violence that concurrently unfolded.  Footage of a capitol police officer calmly escorting a group of Trump supporters down a corridor does NOT mean that other Trump supporters were not smashing through barriers, breaking windows, and beating LEO's with pikes.

ARE YOU IN DENIAL OF THE CAPITOL POLICE ENABLING AND ESCALATING THE VIOLENCE?
ARE YOU IN DENIAL OF THE CAPITOL POLICE, NOT UNDER DURESS, REMOVING BARRIERS TO ALLOW PROTESTORS CLOSE TO THE CAPITOL?
ARE YOU IN DENIAL OF THE CAPITOL POLICE BEING INSTRUCTED TO LEAVE THE MOST IMPORTANT POST OF ALL INSIDE THE CAPITOL, THE SPEAKERS LOBBY?

WHAT YOU CALL VIOLENCE WAS COMPLETELY PLANNED AND CONTROLLED BY THE D.C. SWAMP AND THE PERSONS RESPONSIBLE GOT A FREE PASS AND NONE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. 

Z09 » 25 Nov 2023, 8:43 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 8:43 am

Pretty lame...

The best you can do is still bring up Trump after almost 3 years...


 

  Not lame at all.
 Trump brought all of this on himself.
 And bringing up the dirtbag sexual predator when he's running for president is very relevant.
 

 
 

Squatchman » 25 Nov 2023, 9:06 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 9:06 am

  Not lame at all.
 Trump brought all of this on himself.
 And bringing up the dirtbag sexual predator when he's running for president is very relevant.

No, he didn''t ....

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maineman » 24 Nov 2023, 7:27 pm » wrote: ↑

24 Nov 2023, 7:27 pm

to true believers like you, proof of systemic voter fraud is always just a day away.  keep hope alive.

 

maineman » 25 Nov 2023, 8:39 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 8:39 am

As I have said before, I am sure that one can find hours and hours of videotape from J6 in the capitol that shows peaceful, meandering folks doing nothing nefarious.  Just as I believe that, were there hundreds of video cameras everywhere around Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, there would be hours and hours of uneventful, footage of happy, peaceful Texans waiting to get a glimpse of Camelot.  In both cases, the hours and hours of peaceful uneventful footage would not obscure the violence that concurrently unfolded.  Footage of a capitol police officer calmly escorting a group of Trump supporters down a corridor does NOT mean that other Trump supporters were not smashing through barriers, breaking windows, and beating LEO's with pikes.

Video evidence recently released by House speaker Mike Johnson, combined with many videos taken by participants during the January 6, 2021 demonstrations on Capitol Hill, now suggest strongly that the violence was instigated by the DC police, not the January 6th demonstrators, who until then had been peaceful.The video at the second link above ties together police bodycam footage with surveillance footage and smart phone footage — all time-stamped — and shows the Capitol security police firing on the demonstrators, who until that moment were doing nothing wrong and were simply standing in front of the Capitol in a crowd, chanting “USA! USA!”Furthermore, the firing began at about 1:07 pm, eight minutes before Trump had finished giving his speech blocks away. The audience to his speech didn’t begin arriving at the Capitol until more than an hour later, when they found doors to the building open and security police welcoming them in.Thus, the violence, set off by the police, had nothing to do with anything Trump said.

It is quite possible that the officers in charge had panicked. They were undermanned (by order of Speaker Nancy Pelosi), and faced a large crowd of people with emotions running high. It is also possible they acted under orders to fire, working in tandem with the large cadre of undercover police agents (also revealed by this new footage) who were acting to spur the demonstrators toward violence, so as to create the impression of a violent “insurrection” that could be used by the Democrats subsequently for political purposes.Either way — apropos of my essay two days ago about the soldiers who refused the Biden jab mandate, were terminated by the military without due process, and are now suing — the question that arises about this January 6th police behavior is the meek acquiescence of every policeman there to obey these foolish orders. No one had the courage to say, “Wait! Nothing is happening to justify firing into this crowd! Nothing! We should hold off.”It was the obligation of these policemen to consider the morality and legality of the orders being given. None did so. Instead, like Gestapo thugs they fired rubber bullets and powerful smoke grenades into the crowd, injuring many and apparently even killing two people.

https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-b ... nstrators/
 

Majik » 25 Nov 2023, 10:12 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 10:12 am

Video evidence recently released by House speaker Mike Johnson, combined with many videos taken by participants during the January 6, 2021 demonstrations on Capitol Hill, now suggest strongly that the violence was instigated by the DC police, not the January 6th demonstrators, who until then had been peaceful.The video at the second link above ties together police bodycam footage with surveillance footage and smart phone footage — all time-stamped — and shows the Capitol security police firing on the demonstrators, who until that moment were doing nothing wrong and were simply standing in front of the Capitol in a crowd, chanting “USA! USA!”Furthermore, the firing began at about 1:07 pm, eight minutes before Trump had finished giving his speech blocks away. The audience to his speech didn’t begin arriving at the Capitol until more than an hour later, when they found doors to the building open and security police welcoming them in.Thus, the violence, set off by the police, had nothing to do with anything Trump said.

It is quite possible that the officers in charge had panicked. They were undermanned (by order of Speaker Nancy Pelosi), and faced a large crowd of people with emotions running high. It is also possible they acted under orders to fire, working in tandem with the large cadre of undercover police agents (also revealed by this new footage) who were acting to spur the demonstrators toward violence, so as to create the impression of a violent “insurrection” that could be used by the Democrats subsequently for political purposes.Either way — apropos of my essay two days ago about the soldiers who refused the Biden jab mandate, were terminated by the military without due process, and are now suing — the question that arises about this January 6th police behavior is the meek acquiescence of every policeman there to obey these foolish orders. No one had the courage to say, “Wait! Nothing is happening to justify firing into this crowd! Nothing! We should hold off.”It was the obligation of these policemen to consider the morality and legality of the orders being given. None did so. Instead, like Gestapo thugs they fired rubber bullets and powerful smoke grenades into the crowd, injuring many and apparently even killing two people.

https://behindtheblack.com/behind-the-b ... nstrators/

You have to understand that people like @maineman  totally support gunning down and imprisoning their political opponents so, in their eyes, the officers did absolutely nothing wrong by firing into a peaceful crowd without warning.

Asswipes like mainstain not only encourage and support kind of ****... they cheer when it happens.

I can see a reason why they would want a distraction to allow them to change the rules of debate, to prevent suspension … for allowing further scrutiny risks people realizing the following:

The compromises in the election processes – junk-mail voting, hasty changes in election rules, and irregular activity in counting the votes; perpetrated by judges, governors and other unauthorized parties in haste in a crisis-not-to-waste – tainted the election as much as bad police procedure taints courtroom evidence that leads to its exclusion … and the government, as opposed to its individual operatives, does not qualify for the presumption of innocence.
And that the burden of proof is not on challengers to produce examples of fraud; it is on election officials to assure that no fraud – detected or undetected – has significantly impacted the results.

Proof of integrity that, once the compromises had been made and the votes tabulated, would be impossible beyond “because we say so” … because of the secret ballot and its lack of personally-identifying information (which would, of course, present an open invitation for retribution by the Powers That Be on those that oppose them). There would be no way to assure:

Only votes from eligible voters
One vote each.
Personally cast by each voter.

were the only ones included in the tabulation, because of that lack of identifying information,

Without meeting that burden of proof, how can the Congress, or the courts, declare (among other things) that there was not enough fraud to affect the results?

The compromises are all the evidence that is needed, that the 2020 election can’t be trusted and should have been sent to the House per the Constitution to vote in a President, not merely certify a compromised election.

(Of course, that would have led to Trump winning a second term, and they couldn’t validate 75 million deplorable people like that; that would have likely ripped big holes in their technocratic societal paradigm and threatened the value of their personal investments in elite status. Those who realized that their job was more than holding a seat and ruling us – including those whose respect for our institutions borders on backwards cargo-cult worship; which may explain Mike Pence – needed a push to prevent that.)

And it was reinforced by the courts ducking their duty to adjudicate the process on technicalities … including dismissing lawsuits against the compromised states, by other states, on “lack of standing” regarding an election where the results of the compromised elections are imposed on all 50 states.

It is the job of government to prove that this election was on the up-and-up. They lacked the capability to do so; that is a motive for at least some among them to leverage – or perhaps, foment – the protests on 06 January 2021 to push through certification without that proof.

This is why a cloud will always hang over this election.

The law is to serve liberty. Not the other way around … that is cargo-cult thinking.

Something else comes to mind; one of the compromises that I did not specifically list, was the use of third-party ballot harvesting that, while technically legal, inserts non-official actors (usually partisan) into the chain of ballot custody, absent adequate checks, cross-checks, and balances to assure they are neither casting ballots for those voters they “serve”, selectively “losing” the ballots cast for those they oppose, or inserting extra votes that favor their own choice in significant quantities.

There are some in conservative circles who are encouraging the GOP to get into the ballot-harvesting game as the Democrats have. That IMO would be a mistake, for it would make the breaks in the chain-of-custody permanent, compromising every election form that point forward. Once both sides are doing it, we will never be rid of the compromises even if the Democrats were driven out of existence … that would be expecting too much from venal, corruptible human political operatives, for them to ever give up such leverage over the electoral process once they get it.

The reason used to justify many of these compromises? Many Americans will not turn out to vote unless these “conveniences” and others (like early voting) are present. That is not the behavior of a serious, responsible people that values their rights and understands that securing those rights is why “governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. … it is the behavior of unserious dependents in a technocracy where they place Flounderian trust in elite “leaders”, and outsource their decision-making authority to them, in a lack of confidence to make decisions from the standpoint of their own common sense.

Another way our leaders are a not-so-beautiful reflection of US.

one of the comments from jester naybor