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If you dial back the time machine 50 years and see what's changed...

1. The de-racination of (white) America
2. Destruction of family unit
3. LGBTQ+ agenda progression
4. Feminism running amok

Given these failures...any observant individual needs to ask: what exactly were conjobs so preoccupied with such that they LOST on almost every single culture war front? 

What did they GAIN in return for sacrificing everything on the culture front?

A: Tax cuts. 

Yes, up until the election of the Orange Dotard - who ceremoniously made immigration the nexus of his campaign despite FAILING to fulfill his "promises" (just ask Jared the Joo)  - conjobs were obsessed with keeping taxes LOW.

THAT was their magic potion. 

But, Houston, we have a goddamn problem...

So, can any of you conservative retards EXPLAIN, how is it back in the 1950s-1980s, when MARGINAL tax rates were much higher than today, the typical American actually paid a LOWER EFFECTIVE tax rate than they do today?

How did you manage to "cut tax rates" while individual taxes are somehow still higher? 

This begs the final question:

What the **** were you doing for th3 past 50 years?

Sitting around and farting? 

Gleefully shilling for politicians who wanted to send more US taxpayer dollars to THE JUICE?

(PERHAPS THE ONLY "ISSUE" THEY ACHIEVED 100% SUCCESS ON?)

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS RETARDS.
 

LowIQTrash » 25 Nov 2023, 1:31 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 1:31 am

If you dial back the time machine 50 years and see what's changed...

1. The de-racination of (white) America
2. Destruction of family unit
3. LGBTQ+ agenda progression
4. Feminism running amok

Given these failures...any observant individual needs to ask: what exactly were conjobs so preoccupied with such that they LOST on almost every single culture war front? 

What did they GAIN in return for sacrificing everything on the culture front?

A: Tax cuts. 

Yes, up until the election of the Orange Dotard - who ceremoniously made immigration the nexus of his campaign despite FAILING to fulfill his "promises" (just ask Jared the Joo)  - conjobs were obsessed with keeping taxes LOW.

THAT was their magic potion. 

But, Houston, we have a goddamn problem...

So, can any of you conservative retards EXPLAIN, how is it back in the 1950s-1980s, when MARGINAL tax rates were much higher than today, the typical American actually paid a LOWER EFFECTIVE tax rate than they do today?

How did you manage to "cut tax rates" while individual taxes are somehow still higher? 

This begs the final question:

What the **** were you doing for th3 past 50 years?

Sitting around and farting? 

Gleefully shilling for politicians who wanted to send more US taxpayer dollars to THE JUICE?

(PERHAPS THE ONLY "ISSUE" THEY ACHIEVED 100% SUCCESS ON?)

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS RETARDS.
 

1. time is stationary, there is no dialing back time when evolving changes everything forward now.
2. Governing ancestries to believe evolving isn't changing everything per individual position alive destroyed the family unit.
Family unit consists off 16 great great grandparents evolved after birth, 8 great grandparents conceived after original 16 arrived, 4 grandparents 3rd generation after inception. 2 parenting the arrival of each great great grandchild of the original human DNA that made a second generation after conception.

3. 50% of each great great grandchild became became parents of 6th generation after inception, the 7th generation made the 5th parents of an 8th generation gap. You catching on about compounding chromosomes yield ancestors by rule of 62:1 compounding in each great great great great great grandchild of the origins of combined DNA never same ancestors conceived twice. It is a universal constant, no exceptions or exemptions because 8 billion ancestors won't accept now is eternity and make up their own New World Prder over Natural world's Origins since conceived to replace previous generation gaps evolving forward now. Over 8 billion humans destroying each other over the concept humans have rights to deny why they exist equally added to genetic results living native to this atmosphere inception to extinction of conceived to dead ancestors left evolving forward now.

4. Each male and female born is 50% of what adds single male female replacements when conceived, born, evolve into either becoming parents or not. First sign of extinction is in full speed ahead is great great grandchildren don't outlive their previous 4 generation gaps or not added at all.

Social consensus believing this isn't possible keeps hypothetical values the probable cause of human self destruction inside out with all 5 generation gaps repeating not accepting how eternity is genetics separating ancestors alive now.

You keep preaching it is every other reality's fault but your own.

LowIQTrash » 25 Nov 2023, 1:31 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 1:31 am

A: Tax cuts. 

Yes, up until the election of the Orange Dotard - who ceremoniously made immigration the nexus of his campaign despite FAILING to fulfill his "promises" (just ask Jared the Joo)  - conjobs were obsessed with keeping taxes LOW.

.

So, can any of you conservative retards EXPLAIN, how is it back in the 1950s-1980s, when MARGINAL tax rates were much higher than today, the typical American actually paid a LOWER EFFECTIVE tax rate than they do today?

How did you manage to "cut tax rates" while individual taxes are somehow still higher? 

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS RETARDS.

You are so goddamn **** by lying dim-0-craps and their lapdog media and full of ****!!!

"Congressional Democrats have argued that one of the best ways to pay for the legislation is to raise taxes on wealthy households, which, according to many on the left, have benefited disproportionately and unfairly from the 2017 tax reform law passed by Republicans and signed by former President Trump. The latest data, however, proves that this claim is pure mythology.

Income data published by the IRS clearly show that on average all income brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans' tax reform law, with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers, not the top 1 percent, as so many Democrats have argued.

A careful analysis of the IRS tax data, one that includes the effects of tax credits and other reforms to the tax code, shows that filers with an adjusted gross income (AGI) of $15,000 to $50,000 enjoyed an average tax cut of 16 percent to 26 percent in 2018, the first year Republicans' Tax Cuts and Jobs Act went into effect and the most recent year for which data is available.

Filers who earned $50,000 to $100,000 received a tax break of about 15 percent to 17 percent, and those earning $100,000 to $500,000 in adjusted gross income saw their personal income taxes cut by around 11 percent to 13 percent.

By comparison, no income group with an AGI of at least $500,000 received an average tax cut exceeding 9 percent, and the average tax cut for brackets starting at $1 million was less than 6 percent. (For more detailed data, see my table published here.)

That means most middle-income and working-class earners enjoyed a tax cut that was at least double the size of tax cuts received by households earning $1 million or more.

What's more, IRS data shows earners in higher income brackets contributed a bigger slice of the total income tax revenue pie following the passage of the tax reform law than they had in the previous year.

In fact, every income bracket with filers earning $200,000 or more increased its tax burden in 2018 compared to 2017, and every income bracket with a top limit lower than $200,000 paid a smaller proportion of the total personal tax revenue collected.

 
 

That means that Republicans' tax reform law resulted in the tax code becoming slightly more progressive - the exact opposite of what Democrats have claimed over the past four years.

The IRS data further shows that the tax reform law - which included a variety of business tax cuts, including a large reduction in the corporate income tax rate - spurred economic mobility.

Every income bracket with a top level lower than $25,000 experienced a reduction in its number of filers, and every income bracket above $25,000 increased in size, with the biggest gains occurring in the brackets with a floor of at least $100,000.

The fact is, Republicans' 2017 tax reform law did exactly what was promised: It lowered taxes for all income groups, provided the greatest benefits for middle-income households, and spurred economic growth that helped reduce poverty and improve prosperity."

IRS data proves Trump tax cuts benefited middle, working-class Americans most (yahoo.com)
 
 
 

They've been sitting around worrying about other people's genitals.
Reeps are weird that way.

Squatchman » 25 Nov 2023, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 8:40 am

I've been sitting on the bowl thinking about others genitals



 










 

 

LowIQTrash » 25 Nov 2023, 1:31 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 1:31 am

If you dial back the time machine 50 years and see what's changed...

1. The de-racination of (white) America
2. Destruction of family unit
3. LGBTQ+ agenda progression
4. Feminism running amok

Given these failures...any observant individual needs to ask: what exactly were conjobs so preoccupied with such that they LOST on almost every single culture war front? 

What did they GAIN in return for sacrificing everything on the culture front?

A: Tax cuts. 

Yes, up until the election of the Orange Dotard - who ceremoniously made immigration the nexus of his campaign despite FAILING to fulfill his "promises" (just ask Jared the Joo)  - conjobs were obsessed with keeping taxes LOW.

THAT was their magic potion. 

But, Houston, we have a goddamn problem...

So, can any of you conservative retards EXPLAIN, how is it back in the 1950s-1980s, when MARGINAL tax rates were much higher than today, the typical American actually paid a LOWER EFFECTIVE tax rate than they do today?

How did you manage to "cut tax rates" while individual taxes are somehow still higher? 

This begs the final question:

What the **** were you doing for th3 past 50 years?

Sitting around and farting? 

Gleefully shilling for politicians who wanted to send more US taxpayer dollars to THE JUICE?

(PERHAPS THE ONLY "ISSUE" THEY ACHIEVED 100% SUCCESS ON?)

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS RETARDS.

The answer is you are a leftist cut and paste liar.

Buffalo » 25 Nov 2023, 8:14 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 8:14 am

You are so goddamn **** by lying dim-0-craps and their lapdog media and full of ****!!!

"Congressional Democrats have argued that one of the best ways to pay for the legislation is to raise taxes on wealthy households, which, according to many on the left, have benefited disproportionately and unfairly from the 2017 tax reform law passed by Republicans and signed by former President Trump. The latest data, however, proves that this claim is pure mythology.

Income data published by the IRS clearly show that on average all income brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans' tax reform law, with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers, not the top 1 percent, as so many Democrats have argued.

A careful analysis of the IRS tax data, one that includes the effects of tax credits and other reforms to the tax code, shows that filers with an adjusted gross income (AGI) of $15,000 to $50,000 enjoyed an average tax cut of 16 percent to 26 percent in 2018, the first year Republicans' Tax Cuts and Jobs Act went into effect and the most recent year for which data is available.

Filers who earned $50,000 to $100,000 received a tax break of about 15 percent to 17 percent, and those earning $100,000 to $500,000 in adjusted gross income saw their personal income taxes cut by around 11 percent to 13 percent.

By comparison, no income group with an AGI of at least $500,000 received an average tax cut exceeding 9 percent, and the average tax cut for brackets starting at $1 million was less than 6 percent. (For more detailed data, see my table published here.)

That means most middle-income and working-class earners enjoyed a tax cut that was at least double the size of tax cuts received by households earning $1 million or more.

What's more, IRS data shows earners in higher income brackets contributed a bigger slice of the total income tax revenue pie following the passage of the tax reform law than they had in the previous year.

In fact, every income bracket with filers earning $200,000 or more increased its tax burden in 2018 compared to 2017, and every income bracket with a top limit lower than $200,000 paid a smaller proportion of the total personal tax revenue collected.

And because of that this country's economy was smokin'...
 

Federal tax brackets 1970 / 25
Federal tax brackets 1980 / 16
Federal tax brackets 2022 / 7

Average household income 1980 / $21,000
Average household income 2022 / $74,500

Poverty rate 1980 / 13%
Poverty rate 2022 / 11.5%

Percentage of households who paid ZERO net federal taxes 1980 / 19.8%
Percentage of households who paid ZERO net federal taxes 2022 / 40.1%

An ever smaller percentage of people are paying the bills these days.

Rocket Science!

Government expansion hasn't help either.

1980 GDP $2.857 Trillion/ Government expenditure 20.68%

2022 GDP $25.46 Trillion/ Government expenditure 24.36%

It will be interesting to see what happens when the Trump tax cuts expire.

Digging a little further:

Average Effective tax rate 1980 / 11.8%

Average Effective tax rate 2022
Top 50% / 14.6%
Bottom 50% / 3.4%
Average/ 13.3%

I guess a 1.5% increase over 50 years gets some low IQ trash all riled up?

Buffalo » 25 Nov 2023, 8:14 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 8:14 am

You are so goddamn **** by lying dim-0-craps and their lapdog media and full of ****!!!

"Congressional Democrats have argued that one of the best ways to pay for the legislation is to raise taxes on wealthy households, which, according to many on the left, have benefited disproportionately and unfairly from the 2017 tax reform law passed by Republicans and signed by former President Trump. The latest data, however, proves that this claim is pure mythology.

Income data published by the IRS clearly show that on average all income brackets benefited substantially from the Republicans' tax reform law, with the biggest beneficiaries being working and middle-income filers, not the top 1 percent, as so many Democrats have argued.

A careful analysis of the IRS tax data, one that includes the effects of tax credits and other reforms to the tax code, shows that filers with an adjusted gross income (AGI) of $15,000 to $50,000 enjoyed an average tax cut of 16 percent to 26 percent in 2018, the first year Republicans' Tax Cuts and Jobs Act went into effect and the most recent year for which data is available.

Filers who earned $50,000 to $100,000 received a tax break of about 15 percent to 17 percent, and those earning $100,000 to $500,000 in adjusted gross income saw their personal income taxes cut by around 11 percent to 13 percent.

By comparison, no income group with an AGI of at least $500,000 received an average tax cut exceeding 9 percent, and the average tax cut for brackets starting at $1 million was less than 6 percent. (For more detailed data, see my table published here.)

That means most middle-income and working-class earners enjoyed a tax cut that was at least double the size of tax cuts received by households earning $1 million or more.

What's more, IRS data shows earners in higher income brackets contributed a bigger slice of the total income tax revenue pie following the passage of the tax reform law than they had in the previous year.

In fact, every income bracket with filers earning $200,000 or more increased its tax burden in 2018 compared to 2017, and every income bracket with a top limit lower than $200,000 paid a smaller proportion of the total personal tax revenue collected.

You did not respond to the OP.

The income tax is a meaningless measure in the context of the OP's critique. The income tax doesn't begin to touch the hair on a rich man's head compared to what the SS tax does to the working class. Show me a rich man paying 20% income tax, and I'll show you that rarest of creatures: a wealthy man who does not have an accountant. 

We have pedophiles being INVITED to interact with school children, and *** burning cities while police stand down and civilians are prosecuted for reacting. I'd say conservatives suck at their job.

You?
 
 
 

Buffalo » 25 Nov 2023, 8:14 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 8:14 am

A careful analysis of the IRS tax data, one that includes the effects of tax credits and other reforms to the tax code, shows that filers with an adjusted gross income (AGI) of $15,000 to $50,000 enjoyed an average tax cut of 16 percent to 26 percent in 2018, the first year Republicans' Tax Cuts and Jobs Act went into effect and the most recent year for which data is available.

Filers who earned $50,000 to $100,000 received a tax break of about 15 percent to 17 percent, and those earning $100,000 to $500,000 in adjusted gross income saw their personal income taxes cut by around 11 percent to 13 percent.

By comparison, no income group with an AGI of at least $500,000 received an average tax cut exceeding 9 percent, and the average tax cut for brackets starting at $1 million was less than 6 percent. (For more detailed data, see my table published here.)

All of this is fun with numbers. Not one word of that means jack **** without a start point. 

If the guy at the top was already underpaying, and the guy at the bottom was already overpaying, and the "careful analysis" (which essentially gave us a chart sans Y axis) was more interested in an agenda than in honest math (as is pretty clearly the case), then all of that is blather - someone else's blather, reblathered. 

If raw numbers do not back cooked numbers, the cooked numbers are not to be trusted. 

The start points - AND THE **** EXEMPTIONS - are the raw numbers. High level filers get an *** load of exemptions - so their ADJUSTED income can potentially be brutalized while their actual income enjoys clear sailing and sunny **** skies. 

That America's tax code coddles the wealthy and **** the workers is not even debatable, in math terms. Only in ideology terms. 

Trump TOLD YOU that the tax code is lousy - chockablock, I say - with boutique exemptions for the wealthy, during his debate with hitlery.

Ae you calling Trump a liar?
 
 

Buffalo » 25 Nov 2023, 8:15 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 8:15 am

That means that Republicans' tax reform law resulted in the tax code becoming slightly more progressive - the exact opposite of what Democrats have claimed over the past four years.

The IRS data further shows that the tax reform law - which included a variety of business tax cuts, including a large reduction in the corporate income tax rate - spurred economic mobility.

Every income bracket with a top level lower than $25,000 experienced a reduction in its number of filers, and every income bracket above $25,000 increased in size, with the biggest gains occurring in the brackets with a floor of at least $100,000.

I call that an attack on the middle class.

Squatchman » 25 Nov 2023, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 8:40 am

They've been sitting around worrying about other people's genitals.
Reeps are weird that way.

Keep your genitals in your pants, fruitcake - and stay away from kids, ya creep.
 

Fuelman » 25 Nov 2023, 10:28 am » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 10:28 am

Federal tax brackets 1970 / 25
Federal tax brackets 1980 / 16
Federal tax brackets 2022 / 7

Average household income 1980 / $21,000
Average household income 2022 / $74,500

Poverty rate 1980 / 13%
Poverty rate 2022 / 11.5%

Percentage of households who paid ZERO net federal taxes 1980 / 19.8%
Percentage of households who paid ZERO net federal taxes 2022 / 40.1%

An ever smaller percentage of people are paying the bills these days.

Rocket Science!

Only if you are stupid enough to believe this country runs exclusively on federal income tax.

There is an enormous tax that you left out. It came to over 1.5 trillion dollars paid by the working class, ON TOP OF their income tax. If you add THAT tax to their income taxes, they are paying more than the wealthy - not less. Why would you want to leave that number out of the working man's tax burden - making it appear that an overtaxed fellow is undertaxed? Do you hate the working class?

When you look at a working man's take home, it's about 75% of his gross or less. That is not true of Jimmy Buffet. Of Donald Trump. Of George Soros. Of Elon Musk. Of Bubba Clinton. 

And since we're on about who pays the bills, shout out to the unborn. No wonder republicans are so concerned about fetuses - they've set things up so that each individual fetus NEEDS to be born just to pay their **** debt. 

Funny thing about math. It makes a lot more sense if you don't leave numbers out. 

Seriously - it does. Give it a shot.

 
 

Fuelman » 25 Nov 2023, 12:14 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 12:14 pm

Digging a little further:

Average Effective tax rate 1980 / 11.8%

Average Effective tax rate 2022
Top 50% / 14.6%
Bottom 50% / 3.4%
Average/ 13.3%

I guess a 1.5% increase over 50 years gets some low IQ trash all riled up?

Plus 13.2% in SS, bringing the bottom 50%'s federal tax burden 16.4% - higher than the tax burden of those most blessed by their citizenship.

If you only count one of the federal taxes on a man's income, you only get half the story. 

Keep trying with that "digging a little further" thing. You'll get the hang of it.
 
 
 

Here’s the deal folks cmon man

Cannonpointer » 25 Nov 2023, 2:36 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Nov 2023, 2:36 pm

Plus 13.2% in SS, bringing the bottom 50%'s federal tax burden 16.4% - higher than the tax burden of those most blessed by their citizenship.

If you only count one of the federal taxes on a man's income, you only get half the story. 

Keep trying with that "digging a little further" thing. You'll get the hang of it.

The OP was specific by my reading. Marginal and effective income tax rates from one time frame compared to another. The OP also was talking about a "typical American".

"So, can any of you conservative retards EXPLAIN, how is it back in the 1950s-1980s, when MARGINAL tax rates were much higher than today, the typical American actually paid a LOWER EFFECTIVE tax rate than they do today?"

Moving the goal post and changing it to total federal tax liability of all income groups is another story.

You know some dummy in the bottom 50% paying 13.2% in Social Security tax?  Let me guess, you told him he would get a bigger SS check?
 

Another thread dedicated to: "our problems are all because of the other guy"

It's not my side because this has only been going on for decades even when my side is in charge....it's the other guy.....always the other guy...except when you are the other guy....then it's the other guy...and we think trans and *** are confused