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Vegas » 04 Dec 2023, 5:05 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2023, 5:05 pm

In 2006, they voted Hamas in. In 2007 Hamas cancelled all elections since. They haven't been able to vote for anyone for the past 17 years.

And 75% are still right on board with Hamas. 

Vegas » 01 Dec 2023, 5:37 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Dec 2023, 5:37 pm

Hamas attacked Israel, not the Palestinian civilians. Therefore, Hamas should pay, not the Palestinian civilians.

Agreed.

Though we have to remember that Hamas’ charter centered around the total annihilation of Israel. They were originally voted in, and 75% overwhelming majority of Palis stands by Hamas. 
 

Vegas » 01 Dec 2023, 9:57 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Dec 2023, 9:57 pm

I don't think so. I look at them as no different than you and I. There is a difference between the US government and the average American. In fact, a lot of foreigners, from what I have read, noticed that there is a huge disconnect between the average American and the American government. I believe it to be the same with Hamas and the civilians.

israel got billions of dollars from the US for years and turned gaza into an open air prison. and no one can say a word against israel.

jerra b » 05 Dec 2023, 2:37 am » wrote: ↑

05 Dec 2023, 2:37 am

israel got billions of dollars from the US for years and turned gaza into an open air prison. and no one can say a word against israel.

So did every other nation in this New World Order of your dependent reality demands every generation gap lived and living ignore genetics eternally separates the reproductions occupying time now.

Vegas » 01 Dec 2023, 5:37 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Dec 2023, 5:37 pm

Hamas attacked Israel, not the Palestinian civilians. Therefore, Hamas should pay, not the Palestinian civilians.

Hamas is the recognized government. Elections have consequences. Their government should have considered them before they started a war. 

michaelf » 05 Dec 2023, 5:12 am » wrote: ↑

05 Dec 2023, 5:12 am

Hamas is the recognized government. Elections have consequences. Their government should have considered them before they started a war. 

I agree. Lifetimes don't inherit what sustains their ancestral time displaced since their next generations share same moment left separating everything universally present now unless a species makes up ideas they can, so they impose that on every generation gap corrupted from understanding genetics eternally separates the numbers occupying time inhabiting space specifically here performing their ideas dawn of civilization to self extermination as a species native to one atmosphere now.

Sounds like an Egypt problem. Why aren't Muslims more supportive of their brethren? Could it be that the only value Palestinians hold for other members of the Uma is as martyrs? They certainly don't seem willing to help, other than supplying them with weapons to conduct terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians.

Vegas » 01 Dec 2023, 2:12 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Dec 2023, 2:12 pm

Israel is telling the civilians to go South to a place that borders Egypt. Egypt told the refugees to stay on their own land. That's more land taken from the Palestinians. Well done Israel. You all are so Godly. 

I still can't understand why they don't use snipers and special troops to target Hamas. It may take longer, but the destruction would be exponentially less.

Hamas sucks. I'm surprised Palestinians aren't shooting Hamas themselves. 

michaelf » 05 Dec 2023, 5:12 am » wrote: ↑

05 Dec 2023, 5:12 am

Hamas is the recognized government. Elections have consequences. Their government should have considered them before they started a war.

Their last election was in 2006. After Hamas was elected, they did a 180 on the people and cancelled elections. They haven't voted for the past 17 years.

Tempest62 » 04 Dec 2023, 7:40 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2023, 7:40 pm

Agreed.

Though we have to remember that Hamas’ charter centered around the total annihilation of Israel. They were originally voted in, and 75% overwhelming majority of Palis stands by Hamas.

The support numbers are mixed. I have seen numbers of 75% and I have seen 13%. There is no real consensus on it. 

FOS » 04 Dec 2023, 6:13 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2023, 6:13 pm

the average Palestinian overwhelmingly supports hamas. As they see it, their option is to die like men and with dignity, or die slowly getting duped into endless schemes that israel dreams up. This is a reasonable point of view. Israel (and the USA) has not shown that their word has any value or that it is possible to negotiate with them.

The numbers are inconsistent. I have seen 13% approval from the people and I have seen 75%. There is no real consensus. 

Vegas » 05 Dec 2023, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

05 Dec 2023, 9:35 am

Their last election was in 2006. After Hamas was elected, they did a 180 on the people and cancelled elections. They haven't voted for the past 17 years.

So Hamas are the one's who turned gazza into a prison...or do the people share some responsibility?

Neo » 05 Dec 2023, 9:04 am » wrote: ↑

05 Dec 2023, 9:04 am

Sounds like an Egypt problem. Why aren't Muslims more supportive of their brethren? Could it be that the only value Palestinians hold for other members of the Uma is as martyrs? They certainly don't seem willing to help, other than supplying them with weapons to conduct terrorist attacks against Israeli civilians.

egypt is a very cruel country. the egyptian governmnt poisons dogs and cats and many people are cruel too. a cat or dog can lie dying on the street and no one helps it. the hilton poisons dogs. people hang dogs in the street and throw rocks at dogs and cats, not everyone is like that but many egyptians are. i would not gage what egypt does on  the palestinians.
 

michaelf » 05 Dec 2023, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

05 Dec 2023, 10:15 am

So Hamas are the one's who turned gazza into a prison...or do the people share some responsibility?

israel turned gaza into a prison. israel threw people out of their homes and fined them for court costs.
 

jerrab » 05 Dec 2023, 10:51 am » wrote: ↑

05 Dec 2023, 10:51 am

egypt is a very cruel country. the egyptian governmnt poisons dogs and cats and many people are cruel too. a cat or dog can lie dying on the street and no one helps it. the hilton poisons dogs. people hang dogs in the street and throw rocks at dogs and cats, not everyone is like that but many egyptians are. i would not gage what egypt does on  the palestinians.

Never had any desire to visit the middle east. Architecture is fascinating and I love the food but the people seem to take themselves FAR too seriously. I find it telling that there is a busy port of entry between Israel and the Palestinian territories while there is a locked gate guarded 24/7 by machine gun nests between Palestinians and Egypt and Jordan.  There is definitely some culpability in their suffering that can be attributed to Palestinians Muslim neighbors. 
 
 

the jews are axing gaza civilians. stop referring the act as israel. israel is a nation. jews are doing the slaughter. and biden is paying for the axes.

Str8tEdge » 05 Dec 2023, 9:06 am » wrote: ↑

05 Dec 2023, 9:06 am

Hamas sucks. I'm surprised Palestinians aren't shooting Hamas themselves.

One big family.
 

Just one big Liberal ghetto. Make it a nuclear waste land.

Nostradamus'omh » 04 Dec 2023, 6:07 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Dec 2023, 6:07 pm

Damn, that timeline is equal to my starting Intellectual Armageddon and I wasn't paying attention to that issue in humanity on a global scale.

   

EDC4ALL! » 05 Dec 2023, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑

05 Dec 2023, 11:28 am

:ugeek:   :loco:  

Loco for being honest about how evolving actually happens when you intentionally mislead everyone with faith now isn't eternity because everyone defends the idea life exceeds living in plain sight.