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RedheadedStranger » 14 Dec 2023, 5:53 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023, 5:53 pm

The point is... the SCOTUS didn't ban anything. Illinois did. 

SCOTUS just said that they don't have a dog in the fight at this time.

Perhaps it will get those lazy Illinois F-'s off their couches to actually VOTE for 2A legislators next round.
 

Skans » 16 Dec 2023, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 9:49 am

Perhaps it will get those lazy Illinois F-'s off their couches to actually VOTE for 2A legislators next round.

The old court before the trump justices would of never seen this case I believe. 

Bidencrimefamily » 14 Dec 2023, 5:29 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023, 5:29 pm

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/14/12180389 ... ic-gun-ban

An ideologically mixed panel of the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the law, however, writing that the Supreme Court's recent decision on the right to bear arms "extends only to weapons in common use for a lawful purpose," not to semiautomatic weapons that "are much more like machine guns and military-grade weaponry than they are like the many different types of firearms that are used for individual self-defense."

These weapons are not even close to being like machine gun. 

Huey » 16 Dec 2023, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 12:55 pm

An ideologically mixed panel of the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the law, however, writing that the Supreme Court's recent decision on the right to bear arms "extends only to weapons in common use for a lawful purpose," not to semiautomatic weapons that "are much more like machine guns and military-grade weaponry than they are like the many different types of firearms that are used for individual self-defense."

These weapons are not even close to being like machine gun.

Till the Trump justices the Supreme Court protected semiautos. 

Bidencrimefamily » 16 Dec 2023, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 1:07 pm

Till the Trump justices the Supreme Court protected semiautos.

There are many states that have bans on these scary black firearms,

So in those states you can buy one of these:

I am often asked "Can I own an AR-15 in Massachusetts?" The answer is YES. You can own any rifle or shotgun, if it was manufactured before September 12, 1994. Any semi-automatic rifle that is not specifically named in the Assault Weapons Ban is legal. However, it may not have any more then two "evil features", such as a pistol grip, collapsible stock, removable magazine, flash hider, or bayonet mount. All rifles are subject to the Massachusetts 10-round limit, unless the magazines are pre-ban. All rifles must have a barrel longer then 16 inches, to avoid additional federal tax requirements as short-barreled rifles.

And this:


https://www.tds-us.com/smith-wesson-m-p ... k-f-12001/

They operate EXACTLY the same.  They just have some exterior features removed that have nothing to do with how the rifles works

Huey » 16 Dec 2023, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 1:11 pm

There are many states that have bans on these scary black firearms,

So in those states you can buy one of these:

I am often asked "Can I own an AR-15 in Massachusetts?" The answer is YES. You can own any rifle or shotgun, if it was manufactured before September 12, 1994. Any semi-automatic rifle that is not specifically named in the Assault Weapons Ban is legal. However, it may not have any more then two "evil features", such as a pistol grip, collapsible stock, removable magazine, flash hider, or bayonet mount. All rifles are subject to the Massachusetts 10-round limit, unless the magazines are pre-ban. All rifles must have a barrel longer then 16 inches, to avoid additional federal tax requirements as short-barreled rifles.

And this:


https://www.tds-us.com/smith-wesson-m-p ... k-f-12001/

They operate EXACTLY the same.  They just have some exterior features removed that have nothing to do with how the rifles works

And now with this ruling they can ban them. 

I'm kinda liking these Trump justices. Now red state have legal abortion and blue states can.ban semiautos.

Bidencrimefamily » 14 Dec 2023, 5:29 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Dec 2023, 5:29 pm

https://www.npr.org/2023/12/14/12180389 ... ic-gun-ban

And Illinois still has one of the highest gun deaths in America.   

Bidencrimefamily » 16 Dec 2023, 1:12 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 1:12 pm

And now with this ruling they can ban them.

No, they can't.  If their ban is similar to places like CA, MA, NY or NJ they are not called assault weapons.  Did you bother to click on the links I gave you?

But SSSHHH!  Don't tell anyone.  You can still get a black scary weapon that operates exactly like an AR 15 stye weapon,  Even looks like it with a few less exterior features.

 

Huey » 16 Dec 2023, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 1:21 pm

No, they can't.  If their ban is similar to places like CA, MA, NY or NJ they are not called assault weapons.  Did you bother to click on the links I gave you?

But SSSHHH!  Don't tell anyone.  You can still get a black scary weapon that operates exactly like an AR 15 stye weapon,  Even looks like it with a few less exterior features.

Shhhh don't tell anybody.


The ban prevents people from owning semiautomatic weapons, such as the one used in that shooting, as well as magazines that enable handguns and rifles to fire off many rounds without reloading.2 days ago
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https://www.npr.org › 2023/12/14 Supreme Court leaves Illinois semiautomatic gun ban in place

Bidencrimefamily » 16 Dec 2023, 1:24 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 1:24 pm

Shhhh don't tell anybody.

The ban prevents people from owning semiautomatic weapons, such as the one used in that shooting, as well as magazines that enable handguns and rifles to fire off many rounds without reloading.2 days ago
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https://www.npr.org › 2023/12/14 Supreme Court leaves Illinois semiautomatic gun ban in place

But much of the confusion surrounding the law centers on the fact that it also restricts features that would classify an otherwise acceptable gun as an “assault weapon.” These include thumbhole, folding, telescoping and detachable stocks, pistol grips on rifles, flash suppressors, grenade launchers, barrel shrouds that allow users to hold the barrel without being burned, and the capacity to accept ammunition belts.

 https://capitolnewsillinois.com/NEWS/wh ... eapons-ban

What you are not understanding is the manufactures build weapons to within what the law says and market it under a different name.  That is why I posted the CA, MA, NY and NJ ban compliant ARs.

You have to look how the bill defines an Assault Weapon.  

Here ya go on those definitions:

https://isp.illinois.gov/StaticFiles/do ... 0Guide.pdf

 

Huey » 16 Dec 2023, 1:32 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 1:32 pm

But much of the confusion surrounding the law centers on the fact that it also restricts features that would classify an otherwise acceptable gun as an “assault weapon.” These include thumbhole, folding, telescoping and detachable stocks, pistol grips on rifles, flash suppressors, grenade launchers, barrel shrouds that allow users to hold the barrel without being burned, and the capacity to accept ammunition belts.

 https://capitolnewsillinois.com/NEWS/wh ... eapons-ban

What you are not understanding is the manufactures build weapons to within what the law says and market it under a different name.  That is why I posted the CA, MA, NY and NJ ban compliant ARs.

You have to look how the bill defines an Assault Weapon.  

Here ya go on those definitions:

https://isp.illinois.gov/StaticFiles/do ... 0Guide.pdf

The Illinois law says that any gun that doesn't have to be reloaded after every shot. That's the one that got upheld. 

Bidencrimefamily » 16 Dec 2023, 1:33 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 1:33 pm

The Illinois law says that any gun that doesn't have to be reloaded after every shot. That's the one that got upheld.

Nope.  Please post a link.

The Illinois law restricts the sale and purchase of semi-automatic "assault weapons," including AR-15 and AK-47 rifles, and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, which are defined as a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition for long guns and more than 15 rounds for handguns. People who lawfully had assault weapons before the law was passed can keep them, but must submit an affidavit to state police by Jan. 1.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/u- ... ban-place/#

7.   Are all semiautomatic rifles considered assault weapons......

No. Please refer to our guide, which contains a features flowchart for rifles on page 83, can be found at:
PICA Identification Guide.pdfOpens in new window.

https://isp.illinois.gov/Home/AssaultWeapons

Huey » 16 Dec 2023, 1:41 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 1:41 pm

Nope.  Please post a link.

The Illinois law restricts the sale and purchase of semi-automatic "assault weapons," including AR-15 and AK-47 rifles, and large-capacity ammunition feeding devices, which are defined as a magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition for long guns and more than 15 rounds for handguns. People who lawfully had assault weapons before the law was passed can keep them, but must submit an affidavit to state police by Jan. 1.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/u- ... ban-place/#

7.   Are all semiautomatic rifles considered assault weapons......

No. Please refer to our guide, which contains a features flowchart for rifles on page 83, can be found at:
PICA Identification Guide.pdfOpens in new window.

https://isp.illinois.gov/Home/AssaultWeapons

The law prohibits the possession, manufacture or sale of semiautomatic rifles and high-capacity magazines. It takes effect Jan. 1. Last month, a three-judge panel of the 7th District U.S. Court of Appeals voted 2-1 in favor of the law, refusing a request by gun rights groups to block it.2 days ago
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The Supreme Court refuses to block an Illinois law banning some high-power semiautomatic weapons
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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court on Thursday declined to put on hold a new Illinois law that would ban high-power semiautomatic weapons like the one used in the mass killing of seven people at a 2022 parade in a Chicago suburb.

The justices did not comment in refusing an emergency appeal from a gun rights group and others.

The law prohibits the possession, manufacture or sale of semiautomatic rifles and high-capacity magazines. It takes effect Jan. 1.

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Last month, a three-judge panel of the 7th District U.S. Court of Appeals voted 2-1 in favor of the law, refusing a request by gun rights groups to block it. The Illinois Supreme Court separately upheld the law on a 4-3 decision in August.

At least eight other states and the District of Columbia have some sort of prohibition on semiautomatic weapons, and several cases challenging those laws are making their way through the federal courts, relying at least in part on the Supreme Court’s decision in 2022 that expanded gun rights.

The Protect Illinois Communities Act bans dozens of specific brands or types of rifles and handguns, including the popular AR-15, .50-caliber guns, attachments and rapid-firing devices. No rifle will be allowed to accommodate more than 10 rounds, with a 15-round limit for handguns.

Those who own such guns and accessories when the law was enacted have to register them, including serial numbers, with the Illinois State Police. That process began Oct. 1.

So it's not a total ban on all semiautomatic I guess.

Bidencrimefamily » 16 Dec 2023, 1:45 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 1:45 pm

The law prohibits the possession, manufacture or sale of semiautomatic rifles and high-capacity magazines. It takes effect Jan. 1. Last month, a three-judge panel of the 7th District U.S. Court of Appeals voted 2-1 in favor of the law, refusing a request by gun rights groups to block it.2 days ago
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I just posted to your what the law does.  So now you are saying the Illinios State Police are lying.  

They are banning what Illinios defines is and assault rifle.  They can still own a semiautomatic as I posted. You need to research this more or stick to a topic you know.  This aint it.  One more time:


7.   Are all semiautomatic rifles considered assault weapons......

No. Please refer to our guide, which contains a features flowchart for rifles on page 83, can be found at:
PICA Identification Guide.pdfOpens in new window.

https://isp.illinois.gov/Home/AssaultWeapons

Nod.  And try again.
 This is what happens when you rely on a media source to you what to think instead of going to the source.

Bidencrimefamily » 16 Dec 2023, 1:47 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 1:47 pm

So it's not a total ban on all semiautomatic I guess.

Not even close.

 
 

Huey » 16 Dec 2023, 12:55 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 12:55 pm

An ideologically mixed panel of the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the law, however, writing that the Supreme Court's recent decision on the right to bear arms "extends only to weapons in common use for a lawful purpose," not to semiautomatic weapons that "are much more like machine guns and military-grade weaponry than they are like the many different types of firearms that are used for individual self-defense."

These weapons are not even close to being like machine gun.

Another citation snapping its leg off in Tiny's ***...

Huey » 16 Dec 2023, 1:48 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Dec 2023, 1:48 pm

I just posted to your what the law does.  So now you are saying the Illinios State Police are lying.  

They are banning what Illinios defines is and assault rifle.  They can still own a semiautomatic as I posted. You need to research this more or stick to a topic you know.  This aint it.  One more time:

7.   Are all semiautomatic rifles considered assault weapons......

No. Please refer to our guide, which contains a features flowchart for rifles on page 83, can be found at:
PICA Identification Guide.pdfOpens in new window.

https://isp.illinois.gov/Home/AssaultWeapons

Nod.  And try again.
 This is what happens when you rely on a media source to you what to think instead of going to the source.

They're calling them "assault weapons"?

So there IS such a thing....