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Have a gun question?  Want to share a unique gun design? Want to run through a self-defense scenario?  Ammo question.  Or, just talk about what guns and ammo to have when the SHTF - this is the place to do it. 

You can go hog-wild talking about guns, gun laws, anything gun related.  But, I will do my best to delete the posts of trolls who have nothing pertinent to say on a matter involving firearms. 

So, I'll start this off.  I was recently asked by someone if they should modify a 30-06 hunting rifle for a suppressor.  I said "no", and here are my reasons:

• Any suppressor that would have significant noise reduction on a 30-06 would have to be fairly huge and heavy.  Even then, the 30.06 isn't the ideal round to suppress.  You'll probably only end up with a small amount of noise reduction.
• Then, you will have to have your barrel professionally threaded.  This is not like an AR that already comes with a threaded barrel. 
• So, you say "well some noise reduction is better than none", right?  No, its not.  You have all of that extra length on your barrel and weight on the end of your rifle.  Now, think about hiking up a tree in a tree stand with that rifle.  Then, think about how much muzzle weight you will have on it when you are up in a tree stand trying to shoot that deer.  And, for what?  You will still (should still) wear some type of ear protection. Nothing gained.

Engraved Guns - Like 'em, Hate 'em or indifferent.

I note that these S&W revolvers with the engraving are selling for about $800 more than the plain-jane models.  Anyone have any thoughts about this?

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Beretta A300 Ultima vs Mossberg 940 tactical

which one, or neither?

https://www.scheels.com/p/beretta-a300- ... 2CT11.html

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_inf ... 18.5+3+7rd

POM » 08 Jan 2024, 1:53 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Jan 2024, 1:53 pm

Beretta A300 Ultima vs Mossberg 940 tactical

which one, or neither?

https://www.scheels.com/p/beretta-a300- ... 2CT11.html

https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_inf ... 18.5+3+7rd

As much as I love Beretta, I'd choose the Mossberg.  Strictly because it has about 2x the capacity of the Beretta.  I think the Mossberg has 7+1 and the Beretta 3+1.  Also, the Mossberg 940 is supported in the aftermarket for upgrades: https://www.or3gun.com/OR3GUN/about_or3 ... _parts.htm
 

Skans » 08 Jan 2024, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Jan 2024, 3:26 pm

As much as I love Beretta, I'd choose the Mossberg.  Strictly because it has about 2x the capacity of the Beretta.  I think the Mossberg has 7+1 and the Beretta 3+1.  Also, the Mossberg 940 is supported in the aftermarket for upgrades: https://www.or3gun.com/OR3GUN/about_or3 ... _parts.htm

Same capacity on both. I am leaning towards the Mossberg, but the Benelli M2 is one I had my eye on for a long time.
I didn't mention that because Benelli is inertia driven.
 

POM » 08 Jan 2024, 4:25 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Jan 2024, 4:25 pm

Same capacity on both. I am leaning towards the Mossberg, but the Benelli M2 is one I had my eye on for a long time.
I didn't mention that because Benelli is inertia driven.

I thought I read that the Beretta only had a capacity of 3+1.  I could be wrong, or that particular one may have a small receiver. 

If the capacity is the same, I'd choose the Beretta over the Mossberg.  I'm a big fan of Beretta shotguns, particularly their O/U's.
 

Skans » 08 Jan 2024, 4:35 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Jan 2024, 4:35 pm

I thought I read that the Beretta only had a capacity of 3+1.  I could be wrong, or that particular one may have a small receiver. 

If the capacity is the same, I'd choose the Beretta over the Mossberg.  I'm a big fan of Beretta shotguns, particularly their O/U's.

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Skans » 04 Jan 2024, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jan 2024, 10:16 am

Engraved Guns - Like 'em, Hate 'em or indifferent.

I note that these S&W revolvers with the engraving are selling for about $800 more than the plain-jane models.  Anyone have any thoughts about this?

          Lots of variables come into play....
Depends on the Gun --- the reason for the Engraving (not Acid Etching), such as custom personalization as a presentation piece with someone's name on it...   or Manufacturer special commemoration arms ---- and if the person doing the Engraving is a known artist in the field.. These can greatly increase the value of the Gun, or lessen the value.... But such, as with any collectible, condition is paramount, so these end up being display pieces ... 

         The pieces with the extravagant Engraving & Gold inlay look far more appropriate on a Wall than in the Field or on the Firing Range.  

       




 

Kobia2 » 09 Jan 2024, 9:39 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Jan 2024, 9:39 pm

          Lots of variables come into play....
Depends on the Gun --- the reason for the Engraving (not Acid Etching), such as custom personalization as a presentation piece with someone's name on it...   or Manufacturer special commemoration arms ---- and if the person doing the Engraving is a known artist in the field.. These can greatly increase the value of the Gun, or lessen the value.... But such, as with any collectible, condition is paramount, so these end up being display pieces ... 

         The pieces with the extravagant Engraving & Gold inlay look far more appropriate on a Wall than in the Field or on the Firing Range.  

       





 

The S&W 627 I posted a picture of is actually factory engraving.  My guess is that it is laser engraved with possible hand engraved enhancements. So, I wouldn't hesitate to carry it - its just not that type of engraving.  Now, I have to ask myself should I ever have to shoot a carjacker, "what would the Jury think of that gun?"
 

Skans » 10 Jan 2024, 8:38 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 8:38 am

The S&W 627 I posted a picture of is actually factory engraving.  My guess is that it is laser engraved with possible hand engraved enhancements. So, I wouldn't hesitate to carry it - its just not that type of engraving.  Now, I have to ask myself should I ever have to shoot a carjacker, "what would the Jury think of that gun?"

       If it's a fair and impartial jury, they'd think that was a **** great shot with a beautifully engraved gun..... 

      But on rare occasions, a special breed of idiot comes along like this dubious dumb-**** ---- and no jury is necessary..   You can see in the Pic, they blurred his dead *** on the ground out, with his Homie and crime partner standing over him with arms outstretched, like what the ****? LOLOLOL



          
 
 

     
              Some of the Factory Engraved pieces were incredible... 

             Factory Engraved Colt Python..... 

       
        Another Factory Engraved Python

 
 

Kobia2 » 10 Jan 2024, 10:41 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 10:41 am

       If it's a fair and impartial jury, they'd think that was a **** great shot with a beautifully engraved gun..... 

      But on rare occasions, a special breed of idiot comes along like this dubious dumb-**** ---- and no jury is necessary..   You can see in the Pic, they blurred his dead *** on the ground out, with his Homie and crime partner standing over him with arms outstretched, like what the ****? LOLOLOL



          

LOL - How the F- does something like that even happen??? 

I could see a prosecutor being a real A-hole about an engraved gun:

"Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, what do we have here?  An $2,000 custom engraved Smith and Wesson Hand Cannon, that looks like a piece of art in the NY Metropolitan Museum of Art!  A highly decorated killing machine that Skans, sitting smugly over there, worshiped more than anything in life, more than life itself. What kind of man spends $2,000 on a custom engraved 8-round hand cannon, who hasn't already made plans on using it to murder someone?  Do you think Skans will have another "notch" engraved in the gun to memorialize this horrific murder?"
 

Kobia2 » 10 Jan 2024, 11:22 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 11:22 am

     
              Some of the Factory Engraved pieces were incredible... 

             Factory Engraved Colt Python..... 

       
        Another Factory Engraved Python

I've never actually seen a factory engraved Python.  Personally, I don't even have one engraved gun.  But, I sort of like that S&W 627. 
 

Kobia2 » 10 Jan 2024, 11:22 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 11:22 am

     
              Some of the Factory Engraved pieces were incredible... 

             Factory Engraved Colt Python..... 

       
        Another Factory Engraved Python

OOO those are beautiful guns.!!!
 

                     
             Colt Model 1911 gifted to President Richard Nixon from Elvis Presley....... 
             
 [img]data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==[/img]
 

sootedupCyndi » 10 Jan 2024, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 12:06 pm

OOO those are beautiful guns.!!!

What about this one, Cyndi, (not mine), I think it is trying to tell us a story....


 

Kobia2 » 10 Jan 2024, 6:58 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 6:58 pm

                     
             Colt Model 1911 gifted to President Richard Nixon from Elvis Presley....... 
             
 [img]data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAAAAACH5BAEKAAEALAAAAAABAAEAAAICTAEAOw==[/img]

Now, that's some history there!  Who knew that Nixon was a fan of Elvis? Or, that Elvis was a fan of Nixon. 
"YOU AIN'T NOTHI'N BUT A HOUND DOG"

Skans » 11 Jan 2024, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 2:52 pm

What about this one, Cyndi, (not mine), I think it is trying to tell us a story....

no-just pretty- no story behind a  gun like that for me? i don't know much about guns?
altho my drinking buddy bought us a propane lighter gun for our new heater today
You hold it down and pull the trigger. cyndi.. poof the flame came out...
then he grabbed it outta my hand? you should NOT play with guns Cyndi? lolol and off he ran.
 
 

Skans » 11 Jan 2024, 2:57 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 2:57 pm

Now, that's some history there!  Who knew that Nixon was a fan of Elvis? Or, that Elvis was a fan of Nixon. 
"YOU AIN'T NOTHI'N BUT A HOUND DOG"

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