Liberal Forum

Pinging @Sumela since this is one of his subjects of interest (and may as well ping @Cannonpointer 

If you read neoliberal rags like “The Economist,” you might think China’s economy is imploding and that this is a repudiation of Xi’s economic policies.

25%+ youth unemployment, etc

What is going on?

Well apparently Xi decided that high housing prices - the consequence of rampant financial speculation - is only benefitting a small cadre of wealthy investors and driving down the birth rate. Xi and the CCP decided to force an implosion of housing prices. 

This caused a “reverse wealth effect” where “feeling poorer” made people less likely to spend. Less spending = less gee dee pee.

But it’s worth noting what the alternative is…and if Xi actually made a good choice (or at least picked the “lesser of two evils”)

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Since the West is governed by Neoliberal Economics, which I have no doubt is one of [[[THEIR]]] creations, it seems the primary goal of Western “leaders” is to inflate bubbles in stocks, bonds, and real estate. Even though there is no corresponding increase in real production, the mere fact that someone’s house is worth more causes them to spend more money….and very often take on unsustainable levels of private debt.

The flip side, of course, is that once your “economy” (based on shuffling paper assets around) crashes because equity prices are no longer sustainable, you are dealing with economic damage that cannot be fixed within the span of 5 or even 10 years. The scars of the Great Recession never went away as millions of people simply dropped out of the workforce, while YOUR (((treasonous government))) padded the numbers with FAKE stats to make everything look “fine and dandy!”

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Based on my own readings and understanding of financial markets, I can say with certainty: the secular bull market in US stocks that began in 1943~ is coming to an end in the next 5 years, ushering in the Second Great Depression.

Maybe China WILL have the last laugh. Only time will tell.
 
 

LowIQTrash » 10 Jan 2024, 3:15 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 3:15 am

Pinging @Sumela since this is one of his subjects of interest (and may as well ping @Cannonpointer 

If you read neoliberal rags like “The Economist,” you might think China’s economy is imploding and that this is a repudiation of Xi’s economic policies.

25%+ youth unemployment, etc

What is going on?

Well apparently Xi decided that high housing prices - the consequence of rampant financial speculation - is only benefitting a small cadre of wealthy investors and driving down the birth rate. Xi and the CCP decided to force an implosion of housing prices. 

This caused a “reverse wealth effect” where “feeling poorer” made people less likely to spend. Less spending = less gee dee pee.

But it’s worth noting what the alternative is…and if Xi actually made a good choice (or at least picked the “lesser of two evils”)

———————————-

Since the West is governed by Neoliberal Economics, which I have no doubt is one of [[[THEIR]]] creations, it seems the primary goal of Western “leaders” is to inflate bubbles in stocks, bonds, and real estate. Even though there is no corresponding increase in real production, the mere fact that someone’s house is worth more causes them to spend more money….and very often take on unsustainable levels of private debt.

The flip side, of course, is that once your “economy” (based on shuffling paper assets around) crashes because equity prices are no longer sustainable, you are dealing with economic damage that cannot be fixed within the span of 5 or even 10 years. The scars of the Great Recession never went away as millions of people simply dropped out of the workforce, while YOUR (((treasonous government))) padded the numbers with FAKE stats to make everything look “fine and dandy!”

—————————

Based on my own readings and understanding of financial markets, I can say with certainty: the secular bull market in US stocks that began in 1943~ is coming to an end in the next 5 years, ushering in the Second Great Depression.

Maybe China WILL have the last laugh. Only time will tell.

And American spending is setting records. The economy is humming. 

This happens everytime America sees a threat to our global dominance. Japan years ago was threatening to topple America's top spot as a economy and America made some adjustments and then started to invest more in China. Then America said you got a nice economy China shame if something happened to it.
 

Bidencrimefamily » 10 Jan 2024, 6:34 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 6:34 am

And American spending is setting records. The economy is humming.

You poor thing. 
 

LowIQTrash » 10 Jan 2024, 3:15 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 3:15 am

Pinging @Sumela since this is one of his subjects of interest (and may as well ping @Cannonpointer 

If you read neoliberal rags like “The Economist,” you might think China’s economy is imploding and that this is a repudiation of Xi’s economic policies.

25%+ youth unemployment, etc

What is going on?

Well apparently Xi decided that high housing prices - the consequence of rampant financial speculation - is only benefitting a small cadre of wealthy investors and driving down the birth rate. Xi and the CCP decided to force an implosion of housing prices. 

This caused a “reverse wealth effect” where “feeling poorer” made people less likely to spend. Less spending = less gee dee pee.

But it’s worth noting what the alternative is…and if Xi actually made a good choice (or at least picked the “lesser of two evils”)

———————————-

Since the West is governed by Neoliberal Economics, which I have no doubt is one of [[[THEIR]]] creations, it seems the primary goal of Western “leaders” is to inflate bubbles in stocks, bonds, and real estate. Even though there is no corresponding increase in real production, the mere fact that someone’s house is worth more causes them to spend more money….and very often take on unsustainable levels of private debt.

The flip side, of course, is that once your “economy” (based on shuffling paper assets around) crashes because equity prices are no longer sustainable, you are dealing with economic damage that cannot be fixed within the span of 5 or even 10 years. The scars of the Great Recession never went away as millions of people simply dropped out of the workforce, while YOUR (((treasonous government))) padded the numbers with FAKE stats to make everything look “fine and dandy!”

—————————

Based on my own readings and understanding of financial markets, I can say with certainty: the secular bull market in US stocks that began in 1943~ is coming to an end in the next 5 years, ushering in the Second Great Depression.

Maybe China WILL have the last laugh. Only time will tell.

We have already repeated the Great Depression, in spades, during the Shrub and the Nig show.

We skated through it on credit and social programs. No one SAW the soup lines, as they were camouflaged by EBT cards - but the depression did happen. The same level of wealth confiscation occurred - it was simply voluntary. Instead of being thrown out of their homes, people walked away from their mortgages.

The issues will arise - that is the suffering, the horror, the pain - when the bankers are demanding too much for the credit to be sustainable. When Uncle Sugar CANNOT fund the social security and snap and section 8 and wefayah, then the games begin.
 

LowIQTrash » 10 Jan 2024, 3:15 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 3:15 am

Pinging @Sumela since this is one of his subjects of interest (and may as well ping @Cannonpointer 

If you read neoliberal rags like “The Economist,” you might think China’s economy is imploding and that this is a repudiation of Xi’s economic policies.

25%+ youth unemployment, etc

What is going on?

Well apparently Xi decided that high housing prices - the consequence of rampant financial speculation - is only benefitting a small cadre of wealthy investors and driving down the birth rate. Xi and the CCP decided to force an implosion of housing prices. 

This caused a “reverse wealth effect” where “feeling poorer” made people less likely to spend. Less spending = less gee dee pee.

But it’s worth noting what the alternative is…and if Xi actually made a good choice (or at least picked the “lesser of two evils”)

———————————-

Since the West is governed by Neoliberal Economics, which I have no doubt is one of [[[THEIR]]] creations, it seems the primary goal of Western “leaders” is to inflate bubbles in stocks, bonds, and real estate. Even though there is no corresponding increase in real production, the mere fact that someone’s house is worth more causes them to spend more money….and very often take on unsustainable levels of private debt.

The flip side, of course, is that once your “economy” (based on shuffling paper assets around) crashes because equity prices are no longer sustainable, you are dealing with economic damage that cannot be fixed within the span of 5 or even 10 years. The scars of the Great Recession never went away as millions of people simply dropped out of the workforce, while YOUR (((treasonous government))) padded the numbers with FAKE stats to make everything look “fine and dandy!”

—————————

Based on my own readings and understanding of financial markets, I can say with certainty: the secular bull market in US stocks that began in 1943~ is coming to an end in the next 5 years, ushering in the Second Great Depression.

Maybe China WILL have the last laugh. Only time will tell.

One could find 100 articles per year for the last 15 years on how China's economy is crashing.
Ghost towns, murdering 1000s of Wiggers daily.....ALL GAWDDAM ****.

NeoLib economists serve the American Empire first and foremost - NOT FACTS.  And if you want a voice and
a good job in economic journalism then you must despise China and Russia.  Mandatory Propaganda.
Paul Krugman is King of these propaganda ***.  

Lets not forget how wrong these lil pussies are on most things.  22 months ago when the Uke war started
these Jagovvs said Russia's economy would collapse in weeks, Putin would be overthrown, and the West
would be able to start looting Russia again.  Happy Days!!  .......Uhhh, **** got it 100% wrong.
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I will let Bernard at Moon of Alabama handle the heavy lifting on China.  Bernard is a daily must read IMHO.
He addresses the Empire's anti-China propaganda often.

September 12, 2023

Kasandras Beware - China's Economy Will Not Hit A Wall

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/09/k ... -wall.html

 
 

Sumela » 10 Jan 2024, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 9:57 am

One could find 100 articles per year for the last 15 years on how China's economy is crashing.
Ghost towns, murdering 1000s of Wiggers daily.....ALL GAWDDAM ****.

NeoLib economists serve the American Empire first and foremost - NOT FACTS.  And if you want a voice and
a good job in economic journalism then you must despise China and Russia.  Mandatory Propaganda.
Paul Krugman is King of these propaganda ***.  

Lets not forget how wrong these lil pussies are on most things.  22 months ago when the Uke war started
these Jagovvs said Russia's economy would collapse in weeks, Putin would be overthrown, and the West
would be able to start looting Russia again.  Happy Days!!  .......Uhhh, **** got it 100% wrong.
-------------------------------------------------

I will let Bernard at Moon of Alabama handle the heavy lifting on China.  Bernard is a daily must read IMHO.
He addresses the Empire's anti-China propaganda often.

September 12, 2023

Kasandras Beware - China's Economy Will Not Hit A Wall

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/09/k ... -wall.html

Great article!

Cannonpointer » 10 Jan 2024, 9:14 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 9:14 am

We have already repeated the Great Depression, in spades, during the Shrub and the Nig show.

We skated through it on credit and social programs. No one SAW the soup lines, as they were camouflaged by EBT cards - but the depression did happen. The same level of wealth confiscation occurred - it was simply voluntary. Instead of being thrown out of their homes, people walked away from their mortgages.

The issues will arise - that is the suffering, the horror, the pain - when the bankers are demanding too much for the credit to be sustainable. When Uncle Sugar CANNOT fund the social security and snap and section 8 and wefayah, then the games begin.

No, I’m afraid that was just a taste of what is to come. When the top 1% feel the pinch then THAT is a depression. Many of them made out like bandits - not so in the next one.

Sumela » 10 Jan 2024, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 9:57 am

One could find 100 articles per year for the last 15 years on how China's economy is crashing.
Ghost towns, murdering 1000s of Wiggers daily.....ALL GAWDDAM ****.

NeoLib economists serve the American Empire first and foremost - NOT FACTS.  And if you want a voice and
a good job in economic journalism then you must despise China and Russia.  Mandatory Propaganda.
Paul Krugman is King of these propaganda ***.  

Lets not forget how wrong these lil pussies are on most things.  22 months ago when the Uke war started
these Jagovvs said Russia's economy would collapse in weeks, Putin would be overthrown, and the West
would be able to start looting Russia again.  Happy Days!!  .......Uhhh, **** got it 100% wrong.
-------------------------------------------------

I will let Bernard at Moon of Alabama handle the heavy lifting on China.  Bernard is a daily must read IMHO.
He addresses the Empire's anti-China propaganda often.

September 12, 2023

Kasandras Beware - China's Economy Will Not Hit A Wall

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/09/k ... -wall.html

lol…I never read Krugman. First of all it’s a waste of ~2 good minutes…and second of all the JOO York Slimes wants you to PAY MONEY to view their garbage online with a subscription. 

*insert Greedy JOO meme*

To add to your author’s argument, Xi simply does not care about asset prices. In fact, unless there is a DEPRESSION the government should not be actively goosing prices higher since it prices out ordinary citizens.
 

Sumela » 10 Jan 2024, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 9:57 am

 

Lets not forget how wrong these lil pussies are on most things.  22 months ago when the Uke war started
these Jagovvs said Russia's economy would collapse in weeks, Putin would be overthrown, and the West
would be able to start looting Russia again.  Happy Days!!  .......Uhhh, **** got it 100% wrong.
-------------------------------------------------
 

And yes, I forgot to add: the same thing happened in Russia.

After the sanctions and getting booted from SWIFT, Russia’s currency took a huge hit and stocks crashed. However, the underlying economy remained steady (didn’t grow much but didn’t contract either) despite all the joo propaganda. The reason is the underlying economy (real production of e.g. oil) did not suffer. 



 

LowIQTrash » 10 Jan 2024, 11:33 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 11:33 am

And yes, I forgot to add: the same thing happened in Russia.

After the sanctions and getting booted from SWIFT, Russia’s currency took a huge hit and stocks crashed. However, the underlying economy remained steady (didn’t grow much but didn’t contract either) despite all the joo propaganda. The reason is the underlying economy (real production of e.g. oil) did not suffer.

Yes sir. 

These NeoLib *** economists based their BS on the OVER financialized DEBT economy of the West.
Its apples and oranges as compared to real economies like Russia and China have.  TANGIBLE economies.

The world economy NEEDS/REQUIRES commodities.  Like lungs need air.
Russia has TWICE the commodities of any country.  More than the US and Europe combined.
AND 140 countries are still freely trading with Russia.  Again, WASH DC fisted itself again and LOST.

China?  The industrial powerhouse of the world.  Not much more to say.
 

Cannonpointer » 10 Jan 2024, 11:06 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 11:06 am

Great article!

 
 

LowIQTrash » 10 Jan 2024, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 11:28 am

lol…I never read Krugman. First of all it’s a waste of ~2 good minutes…and second of all the JOO York Slimes wants you to PAY MONEY to view their garbage online with a subscription. 

*insert Greedy JOO meme*

To add to your author’s argument, Xi simply does not care about asset prices. In fact, unless there is a DEPRESSION the government should not be actively goosing prices higher since it prices out ordinary citizens.

 

Yes.  And they dont care about the Joo NEOLIB term GDP, which is easily manipulatable by the Empire Economists. 
China cares about GDP-PPP.....aka....what does my **** money buy me today?!  TANGIBLE.


 

LowIQTrash » 10 Jan 2024, 3:15 am » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 3:15 am

Pinging @Sumela since this is one of his subjects of interest (and may as well ping @Cannonpointer 

If you read neoliberal rags like “The Economist,” you might think China’s economy is imploding and that this is a repudiation of Xi’s economic policies.

25%+ youth unemployment, etc

What is going on?

Well apparently Xi decided that high housing prices - the consequence of rampant financial speculation - is only benefitting a small cadre of wealthy investors and driving down the birth rate. Xi and the CCP decided to force an implosion of housing prices. 

This caused a “reverse wealth effect” where “feeling poorer” made people less likely to spend. Less spending = less gee dee pee.

But it’s worth noting what the alternative is…and if Xi actually made a good choice (or at least picked the “lesser of two evils”)

———————————-

Since the West is governed by Neoliberal Economics, which I have no doubt is one of [[[THEIR]]] creations, it seems the primary goal of Western “leaders” is to inflate bubbles in stocks, bonds, and real estate. Even though there is no corresponding increase in real production, the mere fact that someone’s house is worth more causes them to spend more money….and very often take on unsustainable levels of private debt.

The flip side, of course, is that once your “economy” (based on shuffling paper assets around) crashes because equity prices are no longer sustainable, you are dealing with economic damage that cannot be fixed within the span of 5 or even 10 years. The scars of the Great Recession never went away as millions of people simply dropped out of the workforce, while YOUR (((treasonous government))) padded the numbers with FAKE stats to make everything look “fine and dandy!”

—————————

Based on my own readings and understanding of financial markets, I can say with certainty: the secular bull market in US stocks that began in 1943~ is coming to an end in the next 5 years, ushering in the Second Great Depression.

Maybe China WILL have the last laugh. Only time will tell.

" bull market in US stocks that began in 1943"???  What kind of crack you be smok'n.  US stock markets have had many bulls and bears since 1943.
 

Skans » 10 Jan 2024, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 12:59 pm

" bull market in US stocks that began in 1943"???  What kind of crack you be smok'n.  US stock markets have had many bulls and bears since 1943.

He means the overall trend for 80 years has been a bull market.  Graph confirms this.  But you be you lil Skanny.


 
 

Sumela » 10 Jan 2024, 1:12 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 1:12 pm

He means the overall trend for 80 years has been a bull market.  Graph confirms this.  But you be you lil Skanny.

So, let me understand this:

• Low IQ thinks there's going to be a huge recession because the S&P 500 has had a general upward trend for over 90 years.
• Low IQ can't add, subtract or read charts because he claims it has been an upward trend for only 80 years, but according to his graph, it's been longer than 90 years. And it is Low IQ's lack of math and financial skills that makes him such a genius predictor.
• So, I'm to listen to Sumela and Low IQ  - two internet self-proclaimed financial gurus and sell all of my investments, because ..............(((GLOBALISTS))).

Yet, I don't see (((GLOBALISTS))) like Zuckerberg, Cook, Dimon, Nadella, Bezos, Gorman, Moynihan, or Pichai selling off.  If anything, I see most of these companies buying back their own shares right now. 

So, do I invest with the (((GLOBALISTS))) or short them with the anonymous pro-Russian internet arm-chair analysts?   
 

Skans » 10 Jan 2024, 2:03 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 2:03 pm

So, let me understand this:

• Low IQ thinks there's going to be a huge recession because the S&P 500 has had a general upward trend for over 90 years.
• Low IQ can't add, subtract or read charts because he claims it has been an upward trend for only 80 years, but according to his graph, it's been longer than 90 years. And it is Low IQ's lack of math and financial skills that makes him such a genius predictor.
• So, I'm to listen to Sumela and Low IQ  - two internet self-proclaimed financial gurus and sell all of my investments, because ..............(((GLOBALISTS))).

Yet, I don't see (((GLOBALISTS))) like Zuckerberg, Cook, Dimon, Nadella, Bezos, Gorman, Moynihan, or Pichai selling off.  If anything, I see most of these companies buying back their own shares right now. 

So, do I invest with the (((GLOBALISTS))) or short them with the anonymous pro-Russian internet arm-chair analysts? 

The trend of the market is generally more up and down over the last 80 years.  Thats the only point he was making.
 

Sumela » 10 Jan 2024, 2:50 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 2:50 pm

The trend of the market is generally more up and down over the last 80 years.  Thats the only point he was making.

Did you mean more up than down?  I'd agree with that.  But, the point I thought he was making was that everything is going to crash because the market has gone (according to LIQT) only up.  It is that kind of logic that I poke fun at.
 
 

Skans » 10 Jan 2024, 3:08 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 3:08 pm

Did you mean more up than down?  I'd agree with that.  But, the point I thought he was making was that everything is going to crash because the market has gone (according to LIQT) only up.

Yes, thats I what I meant....more up THAN down.  Thus, the general trend is a bull market over time.

There are many who think as he does that a huge correction is coming based on the debt,
world de-dollarization, and an economy based largely on money printing.

Sumela » 10 Jan 2024, 3:11 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Jan 2024, 3:11 pm

Yes, thats I what I meant....more up THAN down.  Thus, the general trend is a bull market over time.

There are many who think as he does that a huge correction is coming based on the debt,
world de-dollarization, and an economy based largely on money printing.
 

Yeah, I know and I've been hearing this kind of thing for decades.  But, here is why I completely discount what they have to say about this:

• There has never been a time when the stock markets have gone into a death-spiral from which there was no recovery.  Even in the crash(es) of 1929, companies with positive earnings that made stuff people needed generally recovered fairly quickly.
• Money-Printing is the best argument for buying shares of solid companies that make stuff people need and pay you to own their company!  Money loses value, but products in demand never lose value.
• Inflation generally causes stock prices to go up,not down. 

If I own 10 warehouses, all leased out (with inflation rent escalation clauses) to companies that make stuff people need, and I have a list of 20 tenants looking to grab one of the spaces as soon as a tenant leaves, what the heck do I care whether the Fed prints more money?  And, if I'm a novice at owning and leasing warehouses, then why not just own shares in a few REIT's that can do this far better than I?