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I've got two things to say about Stolen Valor.  The first is that if I were in the military and I found anyone intentionally impersonating a service member to get sympathy or freebees, it would piss me off - I get it.

The second thing I have to say is that I HATE X-military assholes who take this to the extreme.  When I was about 17 years old, I happened to be wearing my dad's military fatigues - it was an OG long sleeve shirt, or light jacket as I recall, and I think I was wearing jeans. It did still have some insignia on it - really wasn't paying attention, just liked my dad's old military shirt.

So, some military guy comes up to me and demands that I take off the shirt - I thought he was just funnin around. He asked where I got the shirt, and I said it was my dad's.  His buddy said "let it go" to him, but the guy didn't want to let it go.  I had no idea that the guy even had a beef with me. He kept demanding that I take it off.  I finally told the guy (he was a pretty young, skinny guy) that he'd have to make me take it off.

Finally, his buddy (who was not a dick) explained a couple of things to me.  That, as a civilian, I shouldn't be wearing any fatigues with insignia on it, that its disrespectful to military members, and that at the very least, I need to remove the rank insignia if I want to wear it.  I thanked him, said I would, but that I'm not taking it off - he understood.  The other guy still had his nose bent over this, but backed off.

I don't believe that Stolen Valor was a real thing in my dad's time - he didn't think to remove the insignia or warn me not to wear it anywhere.  Well, that's my rant about stolen valor - - feel free to leave encouraging, kind, complimentary comments for me. 
 

Skans » 11 Jan 2024, 11:29 am » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 11:29 am

I've got two things to say about Stolen Valor.  The first is that if I were in the military and I found anyone intentionally impersonating a service member to get sympathy or freebees, it would piss me off - I get it.

The second thing I have to say is that I HATE X-military assholes who take this to the extreme.  When I was about 17 years old, I happened to be wearing my dad's military fatigues - it was an OG long sleeve shirt, or light jacket as I recall, and I think I was wearing jeans. It did still have some insignia on it - really wasn't paying attention, just liked my dad's old military shirt.

So, some military guy comes up to me and demands that I take off the shirt - I thought he was just funnin around. He asked where I got the shirt, and I said it was my dad's.  His buddy said "let it go" to him, but the guy didn't want to let it go.  I had no idea that the guy even had a beef with me. He kept demanding that I take it off.  I finally told the guy (he was a pretty young, skinny guy) that he'd have to make me take it off.

Finally, his buddy (who was not a dick) explained a couple of things to me.  That, as a civilian, I shouldn't be wearing any fatigues with insignia on it, that its disrespectful to military members, and that at the very least, I need to remove the rank insignia if I want to wear it.  I thanked him, said I would, but that I'm not taking it off - he understood.  The other guy still had his nose bent over this, but backed off.

I don't believe that Stolen Valor was a real thing in my dad's time - he didn't think to remove the insignia or warn me not to wear it anywhere.  Well, that's my rant about stolen valor - - feel free to leave encouraging, kind, complimentary comments for me. 
 

 

I laugh at those  concerning the stolen valor.

As far as the second the only thing I remember was some reg that said you had to take the US ARMY off of the shirt or field jacket.  I don't recall having to remove anything else.  

But I don't really care about that either.  I never wore them once I got out and would not hassle any one about it. 
 

US Military garb in 2024

is quite open for interpretation

by ***, trannies, and gender-retards.  






 

A lot of those assholes don't know what stolen valor is. Putting on some BDU's and saying you served in 'Nam isn't stolen valor

The law amends the federal criminal code to make it a crime for a person to fraudulently claim having received a valor award specified in the Act, with the intention of obtaining money, property, or other tangible benefit by convincing another that he or she received the award.
 

Warcok » 11 Jan 2024, 11:55 am » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 11:55 am

A lot of those assholes don't know what stolen valor is. Putting on some BDU's and saying you served in 'Nam isn't stolen valor

I used to work with a guy that used to always tell war stories about his tour in Vietnam, and I never gave it much thought until I overheard a conversation one day and found out he was only three years older than me.

I was 9 in 1975... so for this guy to have served in Vietnam, even as late as 1975, he would have only been 12 at the oldest. In short, his Vietnam war stories were all ****. He was way too young to have been there.

His motorcycle vest and gear had several "Vietnam Veteran" patches and insignia and **** on them so he was straight up trying to convince everyone that he had served in SE Asia during the war too. 

He worked in a different department from me so I didn't really have much to do with him in the first place, but i really didn't after I found out how full of **** he was.

John Lennon was a repeat offender, it must only be a problem for some people in regards to certain other people.

RedheadedStranger » 11 Jan 2024, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 12:37 pm

I used to work with a guy that used to always tell war stories about his tour in Vietnam, and I never gave it much thought until I overheard a conversation one day and found out he was only three years older than me.

I was 9 in 1975... so for this guy to have served in Vietnam, even as late as 1975, he would have only been 12 at the oldest. In short, his Vietnam war stories were all ****. He was way too young to have been there.

His motorcycle vest and gear had several "Vietnam Veteran" patches and insignia and **** on them so he was straight up trying to convince everyone that he had served in SE Asia during the war too. 

He worked in a different department from me so I didn't really have much to do with him in the first place, but i really didn't after I found out how full of **** he was.

Yeah that guy needs his *** beat but the supreme Court ruled that it's considered free speech to play pretend soldier. 

But if he tries to monetize off of it and claims to have won the silver star with valor then we got the bastard by the ******!! 
 

Warcok » 11 Jan 2024, 11:55 am » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 11:55 am

A lot of those assholes don't know what stolen valor is. Putting on some BDU's and saying you served in 'Nam isn't stolen valor

"The law amends the federal criminal code to make it a crime for a person to fraudulently claim having received a valor award specified in the Act, with the intention of obtaining money, property, or other tangible benefit by convincing another that he or she received the award."
 
 

Good point.  Didn't even know there was a law on this.
 

RedheadedStranger » 11 Jan 2024, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 12:37 pm

I used to work with a guy that used to always tell war stories about his tour in Vietnam, and I never gave it much thought until I overheard a conversation one day and found out he was only three years older than me.

I was 9 in 1975... so for this guy to have served in Vietnam, even as late as 1975, he would have only been 12 at the oldest. In short, his Vietnam war stories were all ****. He was way too young to have been there.

His motorcycle vest and gear had several "Vietnam Veteran" patches and insignia and **** on them so he was straight up trying to convince everyone that he had served in SE Asia during the war too. 

He worked in a different department from me so I didn't really have much to do with him in the first place, but i really didn't after I found out how full of **** he was.

I never understood why folks lie like that?
 

No such thing.  Do you frickin fools even realize you actually have to STEAL something?  There's your key word.

              It never bothered me seeing someone wearing some piece of Military garb they might have bought at a garage sale,  Army / Navy store or was given to them by a friend or relative who served..  One of my Uncles was in the Navy in WW2, and gave me his Pea Coat...  I loved it and wore it as a teenager before enlisting and serving in the Air Force.. I never pretending I was a Sailor, and no Veteran ever took issue with it... In fact, some would share stories of their time in the Navy..

              What does bother most of us Veterans are the guys who in some way personally profiting or benefiting by lying about having served when they hadn't.... I'm not talking about the drunk telling tall tales or embellishing their service records in the bar hoping to land a free drink --- nor the panhandler with the cardboard sign claiming to be a homeless veteran shaking people down for loose change --- though I've called out quite a few of them over the years.. I'm speaking of the fraud who fabricates a military history on a resume or application form to obtain a job, positions of trust in their community, starting security businesses or self-defense courses, mentorship roles, non VA related perks & benefits, Veterans discounts, etc.... 

              

 

              

           
   

Sumela » 11 Jan 2024, 11:51 am » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 11:51 am

US Military garb in 2024

is quite open for interpretation

by ***, trannies, and gender-retards.  

High heels galore
Girls are boys & boys are girls
Stolen Valerie
 

Homer » 11 Jan 2024, 3:06 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 3:06 pm

High heels galore
Girls are boys & boys are girls
Stolen Valerie

 
 

RedheadedStranger » 11 Jan 2024, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 12:37 pm

I used to work with a guy that used to always tell war stories about his tour in Vietnam, and I never gave it much thought until I overheard a conversation one day and found out he was only three years older than me.

I was 9 in 1975... so for this guy to have served in Vietnam, even as late as 1975, he would have only been 12 at the oldest. In short, his Vietnam war stories were all ****. He was way too young to have been there.

His motorcycle vest and gear had several "Vietnam Veteran" patches and insignia and **** on them so he was straight up trying to convince everyone that he had served in SE Asia during the war too. 

He worked in a different department from me so I didn't really have much to do with him in the first place, but i really didn't after I found out how full of **** he was.

Might have been @Cannonpointer  , he served in the baby seals.  
 

Cedar » 11 Jan 2024, 3:56 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 3:56 pm

Might have been @Cannonpointer  , he served in the baby seals.

Nice call back!
 

RedheadedStranger » 11 Jan 2024, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 12:37 pm

I used to work with a guy that used to always tell war stories about his tour in Vietnam, and I never gave it much thought until I overheard a conversation one day and found out he was only three years older than me.

I was 9 in 1975... so for this guy to have served in Vietnam, even as late as 1975, he would have only been 12 at the oldest. In short, his Vietnam war stories were all ****. He was way too young to have been there.

His motorcycle vest and gear had several "Vietnam Veteran" patches and insignia and **** on them so he was straight up trying to convince everyone that he had served in SE Asia during the war too. 

He worked in a different department from me so I didn't really have much to do with him in the first place, but i really didn't after I found out how full of **** he was.

I served as a second lieutenant when I was only three years old. That guy might have been telling the truth - although, if he was, he served in a top secret unit and was violating his oath of secrecy.

I NEVER talked about the Baby SEALS until it was declassified. 
 

Cannonpointer » 11 Jan 2024, 4:11 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 4:11 pm

I served as a second lieutenant when I was only three years old. That guy might have been telling the truth - although, if he was, he served in a top secret unit and was violating his oath of secrecy.

I NEVER talked about the Baby SEALS until it was declassified.

Is this you?


 
 

RedheadedStranger » 11 Jan 2024, 4:27 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 4:27 pm

Is this you?

Yes but I was not 3 in that photo I was 33.
 

I don't really mind if I see folks wearing articles of uniform clothing like the kind you get at an Army-Navy Surplus Store. I agree that those folks probably ought not to affix insignia that indicates rank or rate. I still think that a Navy Pea Coat is a very fine looking piece of apparel and I wish I had been issued one instead of the reefer which I did NOT like at all.
 
 

Cannonpointer » 11 Jan 2024, 4:11 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Jan 2024, 4:11 pm

I served as a second lieutenant when I was only three years old. That guy might have been telling the truth - although, if he was, he served in a top secret unit and was violating his oath of secrecy.

I NEVER talked about the Baby SEALS until it was declassified.