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As a Midwest winter deep freeze returns after several years of warmer temperatures, electric vehicles are turning into giant frozen bricks, and the freezing temps are revealing a major vulnerability in EV technology.

 Many Chicago-area Tesla and EV users are discovering the biggest drawback in eschewing gas-powered vehicles as the temps plummet and their batteries freeze up, sapping their power....

 "I've been here for over five hours at this point, and I still have not gotten to charge my car," he said adding that the severe cold was making charge-ups more than twice as long as normal. "A charge that should take 45 minutes is taking two hours."

 Meanwhile, a report from WLFD-TV about the Chicago suburb of Oak Park summed up the situation in dire terms:"Public charging stations have turned into car graveyards over the past couple of days," it stated.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/ch ... r-AA1n50tJ

give it up joe...EVs are so overrated....
 

In other news ..

I had to buy a battery for my gas powered truck today. Cold air zapped the **** out of it

Hank » 16 Jan 2024, 8:21 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 8:21 pm

In other news ..

I had to buy a battery for my gas powered truck today. Cold air zapped the **** out of it

when it rains it pours... I bought 2 this week...  

Hank » 16 Jan 2024, 8:21 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 8:21 pm

In other news ..

I had to buy a battery for my gas powered truck today. Cold air zapped the **** out of it

Actually the heat kills your battery worse than the cold. 

It's just than when it gets this cold, the motor requires more cranking amps to move through the cold sludge at start up and the heat weakened battery rears it's ugly head.

My wife's minivan battery suffered the same fate.

Sometimes if you throw a slow charge on it and wait for warmer weather, you'll find that it will crank just fine... but ain't nobody got time for dat.
 

ROG62 » 16 Jan 2024, 7:59 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 7:59 pm

As a Midwest winter deep freeze returns after several years of warmer temperatures, electric vehicles are turning into giant frozen bricks, and the freezing temps are revealing a major vulnerability in EV technology.

 Many Chicago-area Tesla and EV users are discovering the biggest drawback in eschewing gas-powered vehicles as the temps plummet and their batteries freeze up, sapping their power....

 "I've been here for over five hours at this point, and I still have not gotten to charge my car," he said adding that the severe cold was making charge-ups more than twice as long as normal. "A charge that should take 45 minutes is taking two hours."

 Meanwhile, a report from WLFD-TV about the Chicago suburb of Oak Park summed up the situation in dire terms:"Public charging stations have turned into car graveyards over the past couple of days," it stated.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/ch ... r-AA1n50tJ

give it up joe...EVs are so overrated....

From what I've read, the cold screws a Li-Ion battery in two ways.

1) It slows down the particles to a literal crawl so getting it to take a charge is almost impossible.

and 

2) The pack has to work harder to supply power due to the sluggish particles, and it will "use up" it's stored energy a whole lot faster than an optimum operating to temps so... the charge won't last nearly as long.

My neighbor don't make it out of the neighborhood this afternoon in his Tesla even though he had had it on the charger for nearly two days before attempting to ride out.

His car is still sitting at the stop sign at the top of the hill leading out of our neighborhood, deader than hell.

My Tundra fired right up and got us out and about just fine without missing a beat.

 
 

RedheadedStranger » 16 Jan 2024, 9:42 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 9:42 pm

From what I've read, the cold screws a Li-Ion battery in two ways.

1) It slows down the particles to a literal crawl so getting it to take a charge is almost impossible.

and 

2) The pack has to work harder to supply power due to the sluggish particles, and it will "use up" it's stored energy a whole lot faster than an optimum operating to temps so... the charge won't last nearly as long.

My neighbor don't make it out of the neighborhood this afternoon in his Tesla even though he had had it on the charger for nearly two days before attempting to ride out.

His car is still sitting at the stop sign at the top of the hill leading out of our neighborhood, deader than hell.

My Tundra fired right up and got us out and about just fine without missing a beat.

Great info...

reminds me of the older air source heat pumps...in spring and fall they shine, but get into the dog days of summer or the dead of winter...
 

righteous » 16 Jan 2024, 9:29 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 9:29 pm

 

I wonder how much battery power is devoted to heating the passenger compartment of the car during the coldest days of the year...?
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/11/22/he ... -vehicles/
You might wonder how well the batteries in the bus function in such bitter cold conditions. Gerald Blackard, co-owner of Tok Transportation, says the bus has performed flawlessly for the past year, even in the most bitter cold weather. The one issue is keeping the interior heated. [Note: In Alaska, buses must be kept at 45° F or more. School children are required to wear warm clothing while riding back and forth to school.]

What Blackard has learned is that it takes more battery power to heat the bus than it does to drive the 30 miles a day needed to complete its route. “On January 27th, we had 38 below,” he says. “The bus’s efficiency that day was 3.46 kilowatts per mile. So this fall, in August-September, we were running between 1.4 and 1.7 kilowatts per mile. Even with a little bit of insulation on the batteries and kind of covering up the engine compartment to try to hold in as much heat as we could, we were still using more energy to heat the bus than we were to drive the bus.”

Z09 » 17 Jan 2024, 8:29 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2024, 8:29 am

Think of it..
They tell us the earth is getting warmer because of Global Warming and we need electric cars..

And now the power stations are frozen and they can't charge their cars

Kinda ironic...
Kinda funny

Well I think we should at least try to "Save The Planet" when the weather is nice enough to drive our EV cars and only drive our ICE cars when the harsh realities of life on Earth become too strong .
So, yeah everyone should be expected to own at least one of each and  maintain 2 of everything that it takes keep 2 cars legal and operational.    

RedheadedStranger » 16 Jan 2024, 9:42 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 9:42 pm

From what I've read, the cold screws a Li-Ion battery in two ways.

1) It slows down the particles to a literal crawl so getting it to take a charge is almost impossible.

and 

2) The pack has to work harder to supply power due to the sluggish particles, and it will "use up" it's stored energy a whole lot faster than an optimum operating to temps so... the charge won't last nearly as long.

My neighbor don't make it out of the neighborhood this afternoon in his Tesla even though he had had it on the charger for nearly two days before attempting to ride out.

His car is still sitting at the stop sign at the top of the hill leading out of our neighborhood, deader than hell.

My Tundra fired right up and got us out and about just fine without missing a beat.

             Amusing how we've been discussing this for God knows how long --- only to see it reach cluster-**** fruition.... 

    Apparently the freezing Temps cause the Vehicle to suck over 40% more battery usage ----- Now, keeping this in mind, the Chicago Auto Trade Association is saying that if you're lucky enough to slow-volt-coast into an EV Charging Station where your Tesla is pronounced DOA, ---  it IS NOT PLUG-IN and GO.... You have to "CONDITION"  the Battery up to "OPTIMAL TEMPERATURE"  so that it will accept the Fast Charge.... Does AAA have some sort of roadside Saunas for Teslas service?

   Towing companies have to be enjoying record sales...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEI_7b_HT_A

   

     

    

 
 

Z09 » 17 Jan 2024, 8:29 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2024, 8:29 am

Think of it..
They tell us the earth is getting warmer because of Global Warming and we need electric cars..

And now the power stations are frozen and they can't charge their cars

Kinda ironic...
Kinda funny

absolutely...

this is a great piece...sheds light on what most of us already know...
 

ROG62 » 16 Jan 2024, 7:59 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2024, 7:59 pm

As a Midwest winter deep freeze returns after several years of warmer temperatures, electric vehicles are turning into giant frozen bricks, and the freezing temps are revealing a major vulnerability in EV technology.

 Many Chicago-area Tesla and EV users are discovering the biggest drawback in eschewing gas-powered vehicles as the temps plummet and their batteries freeze up, sapping their power....

 "I've been here for over five hours at this point, and I still have not gotten to charge my car," he said adding that the severe cold was making charge-ups more than twice as long as normal. "A charge that should take 45 minutes is taking two hours."

 Meanwhile, a report from WLFD-TV about the Chicago suburb of Oak Park summed up the situation in dire terms:"Public charging stations have turned into car graveyards over the past couple of days," it stated.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/ch ... r-AA1n50tJ

give it up joe...EVs are so overrated....

Now, I really learned something here today that I didn't already know.  Lets watch these ******* environmental freaks light fires under their cars to "warm" up the batteries!!!
"THE BATTERIES ARE WARMED UP, NOW"

Skans » 17 Jan 2024, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2024, 11:03 am

Now, I really learned something here today that I didn't already know.  Lets watch these ******* environmental freaks light fires under their cars to "warm" up the batteries!!!
"THE BATTERIES ARE WARMED UP, NOW"

 

Kobia2 » 17 Jan 2024, 10:08 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2024, 10:08 am

             Amusing how we've been discussing this for God knows how long --- only to see it reach cluster-**** fruition.... 

    Apparently the freezing Temps cause the Vehicle to suck over 40% more battery usage ----- Now, keeping this in mind, the Chicago Auto Trade Association is saying that if you're lucky enough to slow-volt-coast into an EV Charging Station where your Tesla is pronounced DOA, ---  it IS NOT PLUG-IN and GO.... You have to "CONDITION"  the Battery up to "OPTIMAL TEMPERATURE"  so that it will accept the Fast Charge.... Does AAA have some sort of roadside Saunas for Teslas service?

   Towing companies have to be enjoying record sales...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEI_7b_HT_A

   

     

    

Do like we do up here, fire up a bag of charcoal, put it under the car while it's blanketed...  
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 17 Jan 2024, 8:39 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2024, 8:39 am

I wonder how much battery power is devoted to heating the passenger compartment of the car during the coldest days of the year...?
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/11/22/he ... -vehicles/
You might wonder how well the batteries in the bus function in such bitter cold conditions. Gerald Blackard, co-owner of Tok Transportation, says the bus has performed flawlessly for the past year, even in the most bitter cold weather. The one issue is keeping the interior heated. [Note: In Alaska, buses must be kept at 45° F or more. School children are required to wear warm clothing while riding back and forth to school.]

What Blackard has learned is that it takes more battery power to heat the bus than it does to drive the 30 miles a day needed to complete its route. “On January 27th, we had 38 below,” he says. “The bus’s efficiency that day was 3.46 kilowatts per mile. So this fall, in August-September, we were running between 1.4 and 1.7 kilowatts per mile. Even with a little bit of insulation on the batteries and kind of covering up the engine compartment to try to hold in as much heat as we could, we were still using more energy to heat the bus than we were to drive the bus.”

Talking to my tractor mechanic in which they own and service a school bus company as well, he said they looked into electric busses. The range of the busses wouldn't even cover some of their routes, much less factoring in cold MN weather. Then there's the initial investment...they could buy four Cummins powered busses for every one electric bus...a no brainer...
 

Skans » 17 Jan 2024, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2024, 11:03 am

Now, I really learned something here today that I didn't already know.  Lets watch these ******* environmental freaks light fires under their cars to "warm" up the batteries!!!
"THE BATTERIES ARE WARMED UP, NOW"

Like the old(er)timers round here did...pan full of hot coals under the engine with a blanket on top...
 

Can you imagine the gridlock if even 50% of the car are EV. With running out of charge or burning up and the gridlock at charging stations. Liberals are dumb as a rock.

ROG62 » 17 Jan 2024, 11:21 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2024, 11:21 am

Talking to my tractor mechanic in which they own and service a school bus company as well, he said they looked into electric busses. The range of the busses wouldn't even cover some of their routes, much less factoring in cold MN weather. Then there's the initial investment...they could buy four Cummins powered busses for every one electric bus...a no brainer...

Right, but the Statue of Liberty will be under water next week.....can you call them and beg them to change their mind?

RebelGator » 17 Jan 2024, 12:02 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2024, 12:02 pm

Right, but the Statue of Liberty will be under water next week.....can you call them and beg them to change their mind?

I told them the flood waters wouldn't be good for the electrical grid...they're on it!!!