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Alec Baldwin charged with involuntary manslaughter for a second time over fatal ‘Rust’ shooting
https://nypost.com/2024/01/19/news/alec ... -shooting/

Maybe he should have put politics aside and had NRA safety instructors and armorers on the set.  

Huey » 19 Jan 2024, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2024, 3:32 pm

Alec Baldwin charged with involuntary manslaughter for a second time over fatal ‘Rust’ shooting
https://nypost.com/2024/01/19/news/alec ... -shooting/

Maybe he should have put politics aside and had NRA safety instructors and armorers on the set.

Is Baldwin trying to claim that the gun aimed itself right at the woman and that the bullet just fired on it's own without the trigger being pulled...?
In todays world [if he's got a Liberal Judge] that alibi should work just fine.     

Huey » 19 Jan 2024, 3:32 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2024, 3:32 pm

Alec Baldwin charged with involuntary manslaughter for a second time over fatal ‘Rust’ shooting
https://nypost.com/2024/01/19/news/alec ... -shooting/

Maybe he should have put politics aside and had NRA safety instructors and armorers on the set.

Should be Murder 1.  I think he meant to do it.
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 19 Jan 2024, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2024, 3:36 pm

Is Baldwin trying to claim that the gun aimed itself right at the woman and that the bullet just fired on it's own without the trigger being pulled...?
In todays world [if he's got a Liberal Judge] that alibi should work just fine.     

 

HIs original defense was he did not pull the trigger.  But the FBI showed the weapon had to have the trigger pulled.  Probably had a hammer block. 

This is going nowhere.
They're going on tests of the gun after it's gotten parts replaced since the last tests.
It's essentially a different gun now.

Squatchman » 20 Jan 2024, 7:27 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2024, 7:27 am

This is going nowhere.
They're going on tests of the gun after it's gotten parts replaced since the last tests.
It's essentially a different gun now.

Kind of like the Dominion voting machines and the software changes during lockdown.

Z09 » 19 Jan 2024, 3:55 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2024, 3:55 pm

No..

Murder 1?

Cmon..

Yeah..  I think the nut really wanted to kill someone, kill someone on the set - I think it was a fantasy of his.  I have a hard time believing all of this is a mistake, and here's why:

• Someone put live ammo in the gun - however, we still do not know exactly how this happened.  Someone knows.....but we don't.
• 45 Long Colt is not very common ammo - People who shoot 45 Long Colt know where their ammo is.  Its not like leaving a handful of .22L laying around.
• 45 Long Colt is relatively heavy ammo.  So, a loaded Single Action Army will be noticeably heavier than an unloaded one.
• Most people can simply look at a revolver and tell its loaded - you can see the bullets in the cylinder. 
• Baldwin is lying about not pulling the trigger.  Of course he pulled the trigger.  He's lying.  So, what else is he lying about?
• The person who put live ammo in the gun knew that Baldwin had the gun in his hand  - there was no attempt to stop what happened next.

There's way more to this story that what's being told.  And, Baldwin is most definitely lying. 
 
 

Skans » 20 Jan 2024, 9:52 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2024, 9:52 am

Yeah..  I think the nut really wanted to kill someone, kill someone on the set - I think it was a fantasy of his.  I have a hard time believing all of this is a mistake, and here's why:

• Someone put live ammo in the gun - however, we still do not know exactly how this happened.  Someone knows.....but we don't.
• 45 Long Colt is not very common ammo - People who shoot 45 Long Colt know where their ammo is.  Its not like leaving a handful of .22L laying around.
• 45 Long Colt is relatively heavy ammo.  So, a loaded Single Action Army will be noticeably heavier than an unloaded one.
• Most people can simply look at a revolver and tell its loaded - you can see the bullets in the cylinder. 
• Baldwin is lying about not pulling the trigger.  Of course he pulled the trigger.  He's lying.  So, what else is he lying about?
• The person who put live ammo in the gun knew that Baldwin had the gun in his hand  - there was no attempt to stop what happened next.

There's way more to this story that what's being told.  And, Baldwin is most definitely lying.

He's a liberal puke, so any irrational behavior is to be expected from him.

Skans » 20 Jan 2024, 9:52 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2024, 9:52 am

Yeah..  I think the nut really wanted to kill someone, kill someone on the set - I think it was a fantasy of his.  I have a hard time believing all of this is a mistake, and here's why:

• Someone put live ammo in the gun - however, we still do not know exactly how this happened.  Someone knows.....but we don't.
• 45 Long Colt is not very common ammo - People who shoot 45 Long Colt know where their ammo is.  Its not like leaving a handful of .22L laying around.
• 45 Long Colt is relatively heavy ammo.  So, a loaded Single Action Army will be noticeably heavier than an unloaded one.
• Most people can simply look at a revolver and tell its loaded - you can see the bullets in the cylinder. 
• Baldwin is lying about not pulling the trigger.  Of course he pulled the trigger.  He's lying.  So, what else is he lying about?
• The person who put live ammo in the gun knew that Baldwin had the gun in his hand  - there was no attempt to stop what happened next.

There's way more to this story that what's being told.  And, Baldwin is most definitely lying.

I have two firearms that shoot 45LC.  It is heavy.

Huey » 20 Jan 2024, 10:11 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2024, 10:11 am

I have two firearms that shoot 45LC.  It is heavy.

I have only 1 firearm (1st Gen Colt SAA) that shoots 45LC, but no 45LC ammo.  So, tell me, when the gun is loaded, you can tell just by picking it up that its loaded, right?  And, a quick glance at the cylinder would reveal that it is loaded as well, right. 

Now, it is possible that someone left only 1 live round in the cylinder.  If so, then why haven't we received this information by now?  And, if only 1 round was in the gun, then someone would have had to know where to put that round so that when the hammer is cocked, that one round rotates to line up with the barrel and hammer.  That sounds quite intentional to me.
 

Z09 » 20 Jan 2024, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2024, 10:19 am

 Not necessarily..

The round could be in the gun by mistake.
Not necessarily premeditated..
And you need some type of premeditation for murder one..

I just don't see it...

 And another point...
Motive???

How can the round be in a gun by mistake?  Please give me a scenario where this particular gun is 1) loaded by mistake, or 2) a round was left in it by mistake.  Just walk me though it step by step so I can understand.  Also,

• Why is it that we do not know if the gun was fully loaded or if it had only a single round in it - this is an important fact which seems to have been covered up.
• Keep in mind this is a Single Action Army.  In order to fire the loaded gun, it requires 2 steps: 1) the shooter must cock the hammer; 2) the shooter must then pull the trigger.  Given that Baldwin is not a skilled Cowboy Action Shooter (and according to accounts of what happened), its not like he cocked the hammer with his thumb as he was taking it from a holster like in a fast draw.  No, he had the gun pointed at someone - aimed at someone - then cocked the hammer.....then pulled the trigger.  That is the ONLY way this type of gun will fire.

Now, on to motive.  I can only speculate.  Was Baldwin having an affair with Halyna Hutchins?  Did Baldwin have some kind of sick fantasy of killing someone and getting away with it?  I don't know - but this is Hollywood....and Alec Baldwin....anything is possible.

Here is a video on how the gun Baldwin was using is shot - you can see that it doesn't just shoot itself - requires 2-steps.

https://youtu.be/NeeKAagUbdA
 

Skans » 20 Jan 2024, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2024, 10:15 am

I have only 1 firearm (1st Gen Colt SAA) that shoots 45LC, but no 45LC ammo.  So, tell me, when the gun is loaded, you can tell just by picking it up that its loaded, right?  And, a quick glance at the cylinder would reveal that it is loaded as well, right. 

Now, it is possible that someone left only 1 live round in the cylinder.  If so, then why haven't we received this information by now?  And, if only 1 round was in the gun, then someone would have had to know where to put that round so that when the hammer is cocked, that one round rotates to line up with the barrel and hammer.  That sounds quite intentional to me.

I have a Judge which is heavy but I can tell as you said by weight and looking at the cylinder.  And it has a hammer block.  I can also tell by weight if my 45 LC Henry has rounds in the fixed again.

I also think any actor needs to be as safety conscious as us little people are.  If I hand you a firearm the first thing you will do is check to see if it is loaded.  Although normally when I hand a firearm to someone I drop the magazine and lock the slide back.  For a revolver I drop the cylinder.  Actors also need to know the difference between blanks and live rounds. 

Huey » 20 Jan 2024, 11:22 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2024, 11:22 am

I also think any actor needs to be as safety conscious as us little people are.  If I hand you a firearm the first thing you will do is check to see if it is loaded.  Although normally when I hand a firearm to someone I drop the magazine and lock the slide back.  For a revolver I drop the cylinder.  Actors also need to know the difference between blanks and live rounds.
 

Always.  We always check cylinders and chambers when handling guns.  It's just what gun people do when handling firearms - like shaking hands or wiping your feet on the mat before entering someone's house.
 

Skans » 20 Jan 2024, 11:45 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2024, 11:45 am

Always.  We always check cylinders and chambers when handling guns.  It's just what gun people do when handling firearms - like shaking hands or wiping your feet on the mat before entering someone's house.

  But being an actor,Baldwin isn't a gun person. 
He's an idiot.
Most are.
It's natural for someone like you,Huey or other person familiar with firearms to check it when it's handed to you,whether the person handing you the gun tells you it's loaded or not.
For someone like Baldwin,guns are props or toys at the most. 

 
 

Squatchman » 21 Jan 2024, 4:53 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2024, 4:53 am

  But being an actor,Baldwin isn't a gun person. 
He's an idiot.
Most are.
It's natural for someone like you,Huey or other person familiar with firearms to check it when it's handed to you,whether the person handing you the gun tells you it's loaded or not.
For someone like Baldwin,guns are props or toys at the most. 

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Huey » 19 Jan 2024, 4:09 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jan 2024, 4:09 pm

HIs original defense was he did not pull the trigger.  But the FBI showed the weapon had to have the trigger pulled.  Probably had a hammer block.

They had to break the actual gun to get it to fire without pulling the trigger.
Probably repeatedly beating the hammer.

No way Alec the Faultless did not pull the trigger.
Joking, accidental, negligent demonstration of anger (a known personality flaw of that ****), he deserves to be charged with the killing of a fellow human being just like any non-celebrity without money would be.
How and why a live round ended up on the set in a prop gun is a second, very important, question.
 

Squatchman » 21 Jan 2024, 4:53 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jan 2024, 4:53 am

  But being an actor,Baldwin isn't a gun person. 
He's an idiot.
Most are.
It's natural for someone like you,Huey or other person familiar with firearms to check it when it's handed to you,whether the person handing you the gun tells you it's loaded or not.
For someone like Baldwin,guns are props or toys at the most.

Maybe.  Baldwin sure has been around guns.  And, most "props" used in modern movies are real guns.  I suppose what bothers me the most about Baldwin is that he has lied. You and I both know exactly what it takes to fire a Single Action Army revolver. He had to cock the hammer and then press the trigger.  Once he cocked the hammer, it was inevitable that he would also press the trigger.  Now, why would he lie about that?  The gun didn't just go off all by itself.

Also, he would have had to have been aiming the gun to shoot the lady (and man standing behind her) in the manner that he did.  You and I both know that if he was practicing a cross-draw and it just "went off", he would have either wounded himself or the shot would have gone into the ground.  There is no way it would have fatally hit someone standing yards in front of him.  Why did he lie about that too?

Its the fact that he's lied about what happened that makes me think there is more to this than what he's divulging.  Perhaps its not Murder 1, but the one thing I do know is the man is lying about what happened.