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EV's may save consumers money, but the companies are losing money. They don't profit off these cars, they lose money. Their profit comes from green credits. Economists do not know when they will begin to profit on their own. So how long should our taxes maintain these companies for the few that buy them? Taxpayers are flipping the bill so they can profit. EVs are expensive; most people cannot afford them. That means taxpayers are sustaining the upper class and the CEOs for an indefinite time period. 

https://www.newsweek.com/when-will-elec ... %20reports.
 

Vegas » 25 Jan 2024, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 12:17 pm

EV's may save consumers money, but the companies are losing money. They don't profit off these cars, they lose money. Their profit comes from green credits. Economists do not know when they will begin to profit on their own. So how long should our taxes maintain these companies for the few that buy them? Taxpayers are flipping the bill so they can profit. EVs are expensive; most people cannot afford them. That means taxpayers are sustaining the upper class and the CEOs for an indefinite time period. 

https://www.newsweek.com/when-will-elec ... %20reports.

Here's the deal too. Half the country is COLD- rural- and poor. These things are for warm climates- and city dwellers with money.
one size fits all you know. When you're an elite making the laws. 
Our county seat has ONE charger behind its library. ONE!!!!!  

 

sootedupCyndi » 25 Jan 2024, 12:30 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 12:30 pm

Here's the deal too. Half the country is COLD- rural- and poor. These things are for warm climates- and city dwellers with money.
one size fits all you know. When you're an elite making the laws. 
Our county seat has ONE charger behind its library. ONE!!!!!

Bingo. That's it in a nutshell. 

Vegas » 25 Jan 2024, 12:31 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 12:31 pm

Bingo. That's it in a nutshell.

But i read in the cities- You cant even get a charge- too many people ahead of you?
So what do you do- leave your car- get a taxi... And go for a bite to eat? Do these clowns even live in reality.  And if you do that- i bet you lose your spot.  
 

Mandating that everyone get an EV is braindead because of reasons listed above. Incentivizing it.. especially in AZ, NV, CA, NM, and UT seems logical. If I was in state leadership, I would create a tax break for those who install charging stations in their house along with purchasing EV's. That would ease the bottleneck of public charging stations. Even with a tesla factory only 15 miles east of town, at last count we only have 9 public charging stations in the 50 mile radius.

impartialobserver » 25 Jan 2024, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 12:54 pm

Mandating that everyone get an EV is braindead because of reasons listed above. Incentivizing it.. especially in AZ, NV, CA, NM, and UT seems logical. If I was in state leadership, I would create a tax break for those who install charging stations in their house along with purchasing EV's. That would ease the bottleneck of public charging stations. Even with a tesla factory only 15 miles east of town, at last count we only have 9 public charging stations in the 50 mile radius.

I think I am going to write your name in on the 2024 ballot. 

impartialobserver » 25 Jan 2024, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 12:54 pm

Mandating that everyone get an EV is braindead because of reasons listed above. Incentivizing it.. especially in AZ, NV, CA, NM, and UT seems logical. If I was in state leadership, I would create a tax break for those who install charging stations in their house along with purchasing EV's. That would ease the bottleneck of public charging stations. Even with a tesla factory only 15 miles east of town, at last count we only have 9 public charging stations in the 50 mile radius.

Shame on the United Auto workers!!!!!!
For endorsing that POS.  Put party above reality- Hope you're around in another few years- As it all comes crashing down. Dont cry to us- when you're all unemployed.  

sootedupCyndi » 25 Jan 2024, 1:00 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 1:00 pm

Shame on the United Auto workers!!!!!!
For endorsing that POS.  Put party above reality- Hope you're around in another few years- As it all comes crashing down. Dont cry to us- when you're all unemployed.

Amen.
 

Majik » 25 Jan 2024, 1:04 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 1:04 pm

Amen.

For once in life-
break the mold and do what's right! - for all of us...
no balls... so disappointed in humanity- everyone is always bought out!
 

sootedupCyndi » 25 Jan 2024, 1:00 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 1:00 pm

Shame on the United Auto workers!!!!!!
For endorsing that POS.  Put party above reality- Hope you're around in another few years- As it all comes crashing down. Dont cry to us- when you're all unemployed.

Some will say that the new lithium in the remote corner of NW Nevada is going to ease this. Well.. it takes more than 2 minutes to extract the ore and then have it made into batteries. Besides, EV's are not the only use. We have cell phones, video game consoles, electronic accessories for cars and trucks, etc. And it will not last forever. They are already aware that this mine will only produce ore for 5 to 10 years. 

sootedupCyndi » 25 Jan 2024, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 1:08 pm

For once in life-
break the mold and do what's right! - for all of us...
no balls... so disappointed in humanity- everyone is always bought out!

Not Kari Lake.....


EXCLUSIVEAudio recording reveals the moment that senior Republican figure tried to bribe Kari Lake not to run for Senate

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... enate.html
 

Vegas » 25 Jan 2024, 1:00 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 1:00 pm

I think I am going to write your name in on the 2024 ballot.

I think that I would lose my **** with politicians. Its strange how in society they are so reviled (rightfully so) and yet we adamantly stand behind them. Right before the pandemic.. we met with certain leaders about that topic. For the love of God.. you would think that we were talking to first graders. 

Person X: "**** you. you are an idiot. My politician is an idiot but not as big of an idiot as yours"
Person Y: "**** you more. You are stupid. My politician can't figure out 3+3 but at least he is on the right side"
and so on and on. 

impartialobserver » 25 Jan 2024, 1:18 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 1:18 pm

I think that I would lose my **** with politicians. Its strange how in society they are so reviled (rightfully so) and yet we adamantly stand behind them. Right before the pandemic.. we met with certain leaders about that topic. For the love of God.. you would think that we were talking to first graders. 

Person X: "**** you. you are an idiot. My politician is an idiot but not as big of an idiot as yours"
Person Y: "**** you more. You are stupid. My politician can't figure out 3+3 but at least he is on the right side"
and so on and on.

Yep. Welcome to the political landscape in America. 

Vegas » 25 Jan 2024, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 12:17 pm

EV's may save consumers money, but the companies are losing money. They don't profit off these cars, they lose money. Their profit comes from green credits. Economists do not know when they will begin to profit on their own. So how long should our taxes maintain these companies for the few that buy them? Taxpayers are flipping the bill so they can profit. EVs are expensive; most people cannot afford them. That means taxpayers are sustaining the upper class and the CEOs for an indefinite time period. 

https://www.newsweek.com/when-will-elec ... %20reports.

A: When people want to pay for them.
   Otherwise they will always have to be subsidized and/or forced onto the public...
    ...in short: never.  At least not in the sense that "profitable" is used without strings attached.
 
 

impartialobserver » 25 Jan 2024, 1:09 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 1:09 pm

Some will say that the new lithium in the remote corner of NW Nevada is going to ease this. Well.. it takes more than 2 minutes to extract the ore and then have it made into batteries. Besides, EV's are not the only use. We have cell phones, video game consoles, electronic accessories for cars and trucks, etc. And it will not last forever. They are already aware that this mine will only produce ore for 5 to 10 years.

Over my head? lol But now I have everything that needs a charge. hilarious... Its the drills- the weed whackers- the gadgets-  batteries- the cars- when will it end. lights?

I bet your sweet bippy-- after all this is said and done- everyone's electricity will sky rocket
.
I can see this coming. Hands off my  gas stove... I'm trying real hard- to go off grid as much as i can.  Or have both.
When you sit here... in Maine- DAMN cold- no power three days---. you wish you were Amish. and I have learned- you cant be prepared enough!
 

Majik » 25 Jan 2024, 1:16 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 1:16 pm

Not Kari Lake.....

EXCLUSIVEAudio recording reveals the moment that senior Republican figure tried to bribe Kari Lake not to run for Senate

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... enate.html

i think i saw something about that... i like her.
 

sootedupCyndi » 25 Jan 2024, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 1:21 pm

Over my head? lol But now I have everything that needs a charge. hilarious... Its the drills- the weed whackers- the gadgets-  batteries- the cars- when will it end. lights?

I bet your sweet bippy-- after all this is said and done- everyone's electricity will sky rocket
.
I can see this coming. Hands off my  gas stove... I'm trying real hard- to go off grid as much as i can.  Or have both.
When you sit here... in Maine- DAMN cold- no power three days---. you wish you were Amish. and I have learned- you cant be prepared enough!

Skyrocket? Maybe but maybe not as well. A lot of states out West overproduce. Dirty little secret.. Wyoming overproduces and sells that cheap electricity to Idaho, Utah, and NE Nevada. Montana is a net producer as well. It may out east where the population is far greater. Maine is the exception but out West.. every state has vast empty areas. If I travel directly north of my house.. I leave civilization behind in 5 minutes and would not see someone for 300 miles at best. 

DeezerShoove » 25 Jan 2024, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 1:21 pm

A: When people want to pay for them.
   Otherwise they will always have to be subsidized and/or forced onto the public...
    ...in short: never.  At least not in the sense that "profitable" is used without strings attached.

EV SHOCK: Head of world's No1 automaker Toyota says battery EVs will never account for more than 3 in 10 vehicles sold - as 'customers not regulations or politics will decide' fate

• Grandson of Toyota founder said that EVs will only have minority of the market
• The executive emphasized Toyota is investing in hybrids and fuel cell cars too

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/a ... share.html

impartialobserver » 25 Jan 2024, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 1:25 pm

Skyrocket? Maybe but maybe not as well. A lot of states out West overproduce. Dirty little secret.. Wyoming overproduces and sells that cheap electricity to Idaho, Utah, and NE Nevada. Montana is a net producer as well. It may out east where the population is far greater. Maine is the exception but out West.. every state has vast empty areas. If I travel directly north of my house.. I leave civilization behind in 5 minutes and would not see someone for 300 miles at best.

ok- but are you cold?- we are.
we could die?  this is serious crap? 
 

sootedupCyndi » 25 Jan 2024, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2024, 1:30 pm

ok- but are you cold?- we are.
we could die?  this is serious crap?

Not quite as cold but cold enough to make your life suck if you did not have heat/electricity. November to March.. average day is high of 40, low of 10. And yes, we get snow. The closer that one is to the Sierras, the more snow you get. The snowiest point in North America is the western slope of the Sierra Nevadas (just east of Sacramento). If you travel north or east of Reno... it is not simply fewer homes... it is no homes, no roads, no fences, nothing.