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maineman » 07 Feb 2024, 9:07 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 9:07 pm

nothing in your post says that Maine's rolls are not any less up to date than any other state's

Maine, the commie armpit of America

ConservativeWave » 09 Feb 2024, 9:33 am » wrote: ↑

09 Feb 2024, 9:33 am

NO... it would PROBABLY take a Federal mandate, and action by all 50 states to CLEAN UP, and to MAKE their voting process LESS INCLINED to be CORRUPTED and INFLUENCED by UNSCRUPULOUS and PARTISAN politicians, and SPECIAL Interest groups...  Since the states are ULTIMATELY responsible for their voting process !!

HOWEVER... I think it would take a deep dive investigation by a group of TRUSTED, and NON Partisan, individuals (from BOTH parties)... to IDENTIFY ALL the short comings of the CURRENT election processes in ALL 50 states, FOLLOWED by a REPORT, RECOMMENDATIONS, and GOALS... and then STRONGLY REQUEST each of the 50 states to implement the recommended Corrective Action !!

THEN, let the American PEOPLE do the rest !!

I would recommend you stop by your local night school and see if you can audit a civics course.  Or, maybe just read Article II, Section 1, Clause 2.

Assholes live in Maine

Sumela » 07 Feb 2024, 10:05 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 10:05 pm

As Putin said

"""the only thing more corrupt than US borders
...are US elections""
     

HA!!  Well PUTIN is one to talk... 

I don't think there has been an election in Russia since Putin took power where he has won less than 99.999% of the vote !

HA!!  99.999% is like IMPOSSIBLE... BUT, Russia would have us believe !

                 

ConservativeWave » 09 Feb 2024, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Feb 2024, 3:13 pm

HA!!  Well PUTIN is one to talk... 

I don't think there has been an election in Russia since Putin took power where he has won less than 99.999% of the vote !

HA!!  99.999% is like IMPOSSIBLE... BUT, Russia would have us believe !

               

link
 

maineman » 09 Feb 2024, 9:58 am » wrote: ↑

09 Feb 2024, 9:58 am

I would recommend you stop by your local night school and see if you can audit a civics course.  Or, maybe just read Article II, Section 1, Clause 2.

I'll tell you what I DID read... LESS all the legal mumbo-jumbo.. Approximately TWELVE (12) specific violation og Main Law PERPETRATED by Matthew Dunlap... the Secretary of State for the State of Maine !!

Case 1:20-cv-00061-GZS Document 1 Filed 02/19/20 - United States District Court District of Maine

PUBLIC INTEREST LEGAL FOUNDATION, INC.
Plaintiff,
v.
MATTHEW DUNLAP, in his official capacity as the
Secretary of State for the State of Maine
Defendant.

COUNT I
Violation of Section 8(i) of the NVRA, 52 U.S.C. § 20507(i)

The Foundation realleges the preceding paragraphs as if fully stated herein. The requested record(s) are in the possession, custody, and control of the
Defendant.  The voter registration list described in 21-A M.R.S § 196-A(1)(B)—otherwise known as the “party/campaign use voter file”—is a record covered by the Public Disclosure Provision of the NVRA, 52 U.S.C. § 20507(i). 

“The Court  concludes that

1)  The Voter Roll is a ‘record’ and is the ‘official list of eligible voters’ under the NVRA Public Disclosure Provision.”  Officials must provide full public access to all records related to their list maintenance activities, including their voter rolls.”.

2)  The Public Disclosure Provision authorizes and entitles the Foundation to inspect and copy, or otherwise purchase and receive, the voter registration list described... otherwise known as the “party/campaign use voter file.”

3)  Secretary Dunlap is enforcing this requirement and is therefore preventing the Foundation from inspecting and copying records that the Foundation is otherwise entitled to inspect and copy under the NVRA.

4)  By denying the Foundation the ability to obtain records it otherwise could obtain under the Public Disclosure Provision conflicts with federal
law.

5)  By denying the Foundation the ability to use records for a purpose not prohibited by federal law, and for a purpose for which the NVRA was enacted,
conflicts with federal law.

6)  Any Maine statute, regulation, practice or policy that conflicts with, overrides, or burdens the NVRA, a federal statute, is preempted and superseded under the Supremacy Clause, and the Elections Clause of the Constitution of the United States.

7)  Maine’s disclosure and use restrictions are therefore preempted, invalid, and unenforceable.

8)  Defendant’s refusal to provide the requested voter registration list to the Foundation violates the NVRA.

9)  The Defendant’s violation of the NVRA is causing the Foundation to suffer a concrete informational injury because the Foundation does not have records and information to which it is entitled under federal law.  

10)  By denying the Foundation the ability to obtain the requested voter registration list, Maine is impairing the Foundation’s ability to assess the accuracy of Maine’s voter roll and to determine whether people from other states are voting in Maine elections and vice versa.

11)  Defendant’s violation of the NVRA is thus frustrating, impeding and harming the efforts of the Foundation to carry out its organizational mission.

12)  The Foundation will continue to be injured by the Defendant’s violations of the NVRA unless and until the Defendant is enjoined from continuing to violate the law.   The Foundation is a person aggrieved by a violation of the NVRA, as set forth in LAW !!

https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/up ... DQyMTEwNzE.
 
 
 

ConservativeWave » 09 Feb 2024, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Feb 2024, 4:17 pm

I'll tell you what I DID read... LESS all the legal mumbo-jumbo.. Approximately TWELVE (12) specific violation og Main Law PERPETRATED by Matthew Dunlap... the Secretary of State for the State of Maine !!

Case 1:20-cv-00061-GZS Document 1 Filed 02/19/20 - United States District Court District of Maine

PUBLIC INTEREST LEGAL FOUNDATION, INC.
Plaintiff,
v.
MATTHEW DUNLAP, in his official capacity as the
Secretary of State for the State of Maine
Defendant.

COUNT I
Violation of Section 8(i) of the NVRA, 52 U.S.C. § 20507(i)

The Foundation realleges the preceding paragraphs as if fully stated herein. The requested record(s) are in the possession, custody, and control of the
Defendant.  The voter registration list described in 21-A M.R.S § 196-A(1)(B)—otherwise known as the “party/campaign use voter file”—is a record covered by the Public Disclosure Provision of the NVRA, 52 U.S.C. § 20507(i). 

“The Court  concludes that

1)  The Voter Roll is a ‘record’ and is the ‘official list of eligible voters’ under the NVRA Public Disclosure Provision.”  Officials must provide full public access to all records related to their list maintenance activities, including their voter rolls.”.

2)  The Public Disclosure Provision authorizes and entitles the Foundation to inspect and copy, or otherwise purchase and receive, the voter registration list described... otherwise known as the “party/campaign use voter file.”

3)  Secretary Dunlap is enforcing this requirement and is therefore preventing the Foundation from inspecting and copying records that the Foundation is otherwise entitled to inspect and copy under the NVRA.

4)  By denying the Foundation the ability to obtain records it otherwise could obtain under the Public Disclosure Provision conflicts with federal
law.

5)  By denying the Foundation the ability to use records for a purpose not prohibited by federal law, and for a purpose for which the NVRA was enacted,
conflicts with federal law.

6)  Any Maine statute, regulation, practice or policy that conflicts with, overrides, or burdens the NVRA, a federal statute, is preempted and superseded under the Supremacy Clause, and the Elections Clause of the Constitution of the United States.

7)  Maine’s disclosure and use restrictions are therefore preempted, invalid, and unenforceable.

8)  Defendant’s refusal to provide the requested voter registration list to the Foundation violates the NVRA.

9)  The Defendant’s violation of the NVRA is causing the Foundation to suffer a concrete informational injury because the Foundation does not have records and information to which it is entitled under federal law.  

10)  By denying the Foundation the ability to obtain the requested voter registration list, Maine is impairing the Foundation’s ability to assess the accuracy of Maine’s voter roll and to determine whether people from other states are voting in Maine elections and vice versa.

11)  Defendant’s violation of the NVRA is thus frustrating, impeding and harming the efforts of the Foundation to carry out its organizational mission.

12)  The Foundation will continue to be injured by the Defendant’s violations of the NVRA unless and until the Defendant is enjoined from continuing to violate the law.   The Foundation is a person aggrieved by a violation of the NVRA, as set forth in LAW !!

https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/up ... DQyMTEwNzE.

four-year-old case against the FORMER Secretary of State... long ago dismissed.  You really are a low-intellect MAGA moron, aren't you?
 

maineman » 09 Feb 2024, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Feb 2024, 4:37 pm

four year old case... long ago dismissed.  You really are a low-intellect MAGA moron, aren't you?

How's your Sec of State feeling today?
 

ConservativeWave » 09 Feb 2024, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Feb 2024, 4:17 pm

I'll tell you what I DID read... LESS all the legal mumbo-jumbo.. Approximately TWELVE (12) specific violation og Main Law PERPETRATED by Matthew Dunlap... the Secretary of State for the State of Maine !!

Case 1:20-cv-00061-GZS Document 1 Filed 02/19/20 - United States District Court District of Maine

PUBLIC INTEREST LEGAL FOUNDATION, INC.
Plaintiff,
v.
MATTHEW DUNLAP, in his official capacity as the
Secretary of State for the State of Maine
Defendant.

COUNT I
Violation of Section 8(i) of the NVRA, 52 U.S.C. § 20507(i)

The Foundation realleges the preceding paragraphs as if fully stated herein. The requested record(s) are in the possession, custody, and control of the
Defendant.  The voter registration list described in 21-A M.R.S § 196-A(1)(B)—otherwise known as the “party/campaign use voter file”—is a record covered by the Public Disclosure Provision of the NVRA, 52 U.S.C. § 20507(i). 

“The Court  concludes that

1)  The Voter Roll is a ‘record’ and is the ‘official list of eligible voters’ under the NVRA Public Disclosure Provision.”  Officials must provide full public access to all records related to their list maintenance activities, including their voter rolls.”.

2)  The Public Disclosure Provision authorizes and entitles the Foundation to inspect and copy, or otherwise purchase and receive, the voter registration list described... otherwise known as the “party/campaign use voter file.”

3)  Secretary Dunlap is enforcing this requirement and is therefore preventing the Foundation from inspecting and copying records that the Foundation is otherwise entitled to inspect and copy under the NVRA.

4)  By denying the Foundation the ability to obtain records it otherwise could obtain under the Public Disclosure Provision conflicts with federal
law.

5)  By denying the Foundation the ability to use records for a purpose not prohibited by federal law, and for a purpose for which the NVRA was enacted,
conflicts with federal law.

6)  Any Maine statute, regulation, practice or policy that conflicts with, overrides, or burdens the NVRA, a federal statute, is preempted and superseded under the Supremacy Clause, and the Elections Clause of the Constitution of the United States.

7)  Maine’s disclosure and use restrictions are therefore preempted, invalid, and unenforceable.

8)  Defendant’s refusal to provide the requested voter registration list to the Foundation violates the NVRA.

9)  The Defendant’s violation of the NVRA is causing the Foundation to suffer a concrete informational injury because the Foundation does not have records and information to which it is entitled under federal law.  

10)  By denying the Foundation the ability to obtain the requested voter registration list, Maine is impairing the Foundation’s ability to assess the accuracy of Maine’s voter roll and to determine whether people from other states are voting in Maine elections and vice versa.

11)  Defendant’s violation of the NVRA is thus frustrating, impeding and harming the efforts of the Foundation to carry out its organizational mission.

12)  The Foundation will continue to be injured by the Defendant’s violations of the NVRA unless and until the Defendant is enjoined from continuing to violate the law.   The Foundation is a person aggrieved by a violation of the NVRA, as set forth in LAW !!

https://img.theepochtimes.com/assets/up ... DQyMTEwNzE.

and tell me again, Mister Civics-Whiz, how, in absence of an amendment to the constitution,  a federal mandate to the states as to how to hold elections would pass constitutional muster.

FJB » 09 Feb 2024, 10:02 am » wrote: ↑

09 Feb 2024, 10:02 am

Assholes live in Maine

YES I am.
problem is- once you live here... you get trapped!
too POOR to get the F out!
should have moved out when there was an escape- like a third world country.   lol- but the weather is to Die for.   couldn't be nicer.  
The bugs? are the best bugs in the country.  
 
 

FJB » 09 Feb 2024, 10:02 am » wrote: ↑

09 Feb 2024, 10:02 am

Assholes live in Maine

  Just the ones that support trump.
 

maineman » 09 Feb 2024, 4:51 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Feb 2024, 4:51 pm

and tell me again, Mister Civics-Whiz, how, in absence of an amendment to the constitution,  a federal mandate to the states as to how to hold elections would pass constitutional muster.

We need to do it because the OUT of control voting system in America, and the Democrat Party, is going to DESTROY the NATION !!

NEW Voting Abused:

DC to remove 103,000 ineligible names from their voter rolls...
https://www.judicialwatch.org/dc-removi ... ble-names/

Majority of Americans say Democracy is in CRISIS in America...
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/03/10697641 ... poll-jan-6

ConservativeWave » 14 Feb 2024, 9:55 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2024, 9:55 am

We need to do it because the OUT of control voting system in America, and the Democrat Party, is going to DESTROY the NATION !!

NEW Voting Abused:

DC to remove 103,000 ineligible names from their voter rolls...
https://www.judicialwatch.org/dc-removi ... ble-names/

Majority of Americans say Democracy is in CRISIS in America...
https://www.npr.org/2022/01/03/10697641 ... poll-jan-6

you dodged my question.  Why hasn't anyone from your Grand Old Party proposed the Constitutional Amendment necessary to make the changes you desire?

maineman » 09 Feb 2024, 4:51 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Feb 2024, 4:51 pm

and tell me again, Mister Civics-Whiz, how, in absence of an amendment to the constitution,  a federal mandate to the states as to how to hold elections would pass constitutional muster.

Weird you didn't ask that question when Pelosi was trying to pass federal voting laws. 
Or are you like Biden, and can't remember anything?

It's always different for mainbitch when liberals do it.