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Sounds like this guy sold his integrity....He is paid $200 bucks an hour as a court expert.

Colonel Tucker qualified MSRs as “assault weapons” based on California’s list of cosmetic characteristics that have nothing to do whatsoever with the rifle’s actual functions. He testifies that the selector switch that renders an M-4 capable of automatic fire is a “picayune” or “petty or worthless” difference. By that definition, Colonel Tucker would classify any semiautomatic firearm as a “weapon of war.”

 But he goes further.

 “A single round is capable of severing the upper body from the lower body, or decapitation. The round is designed to kill, not wound, and both the AR-15 and M4 contain barrel rifling to make the round tumble upon impact and cause more severe injury.”

 I’m not doubting the colonel’s combat acumen. I certainly can’t say that’s what I saw in combat. I never witnessed a single 5.56mm round fired at the enemy decapitate or sever a human body in half. If this were true of the 5.56mm cartridge, it would beg the question why the military is spending millions to move to the 6.8mm Next Generation Squad Weapon, using a heavier caliber that carries more kinetic energy downrange. It would also beg the question of why the military also uses 7.62x51mm, .300 Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua Magnum and .50 BMG caliber ammunition. If the 5.56mm cartridge were that devastating, there would clearly be no additional need for heavier bullets with more gunpowder behind them.

 I’ve killed coyotes and prairie dogs with both 5.56mm and .223 Remington. Nothing of what Colonel Tucker describes ever happened on these much smaller targets. In fact, in my home state, the .223/5.56mm cartridge isn’t considered powerful enough for an ethical harvest of whitetail deer.

https://www.nssf.org/articles/marine-co ... testimony/

I have also shot live targets.  The Colonel is full of ****.  

@R. Suave   is there where you get you info from?
 
 

Huey » 19 Feb 2024, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 12:29 pm

Sounds like this guy sold his integrity....He is paid $200 bucks an hour as a court expert.

Colonel Tucker qualified MSRs as “assault weapons” based on California’s list of cosmetic characteristics that have nothing to do whatsoever with the rifle’s actual functions. He testifies that the selector switch that renders an M-4 capable of automatic fire is a “picayune” or “petty or worthless” difference. By that definition, Colonel Tucker would classify any semiautomatic firearm as a “weapon of war.”

 But he goes further.

 “A single round is capable of severing the upper body from the lower body, or decapitation. The round is designed to kill, not wound, and both the AR-15 and M4 contain barrel rifling to make the round tumble upon impact and cause more severe injury.”

 I’m not doubting the colonel’s combat acumen. I certainly can’t say that’s what I saw in combat. I never witnessed a single 5.56mm round fired at the enemy decapitate or sever a human body in half. If this were true of the 5.56mm cartridge, it would beg the question why the military is spending millions to move to the 6.8mm Next Generation Squad Weapon, using a heavier caliber that carries more kinetic energy downrange. It would also beg the question of why the military also uses 7.62x51mm, .300 Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua Magnum and .50 BMG caliber ammunition. If the 5.56mm cartridge were that devastating, there would clearly be no additional need for heavier bullets with more gunpowder behind them.

 I’ve killed coyotes and prairie dogs with both 5.56mm and .223 Remington. Nothing of what Colonel Tucker describes ever happened on these much smaller targets. In fact, in my home state, the .223/5.56mm cartridge isn’t considered powerful enough for an ethical harvest of whitetail deer.

https://www.nssf.org/articles/marine-co ... testimony/

I have also shot live targets.  The Colonel is full of ****.  

@R. Suave   is there where you get you info from?

What's so funny is the 5.56 was specifically designed to tumble and wound verses killing instantly... as to tie up the enemies resources on the battlefield tending to wounded casualties instead of stepping over dead ones.

Plus, the troops could carry more ammunition on their person, due to the smaller size and weight of the 5.56 cartridge.

 
 

RedheadedStranger » 19 Feb 2024, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 12:33 pm

What's so funny is the 5.56 was specifically designed to tumble and wound verses killing instantly... as to tie up the enemies resources on the battlefield tended to wounded casualties instead of stepping over dead ones.

Plus, the troops could carry more ammunition on their person, due to the smaller size and weight of the 5.56 cartridge.

Exactly.  

Huey » 19 Feb 2024, 12:29 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 12:29 pm

Sounds like this guy sold his integrity....He is paid $200 bucks an hour as a court expert.

Colonel Tucker qualified MSRs as “assault weapons” based on California’s list of cosmetic characteristics that have nothing to do whatsoever with the rifle’s actual functions. He testifies that the selector switch that renders an M-4 capable of automatic fire is a “picayune” or “petty or worthless” difference. By that definition, Colonel Tucker would classify any semiautomatic firearm as a “weapon of war.”

 But he goes further.

 “A single round is capable of severing the upper body from the lower body, or decapitation. The round is designed to kill, not wound, and both the AR-15 and M4 contain barrel rifling to make the round tumble upon impact and cause more severe injury.”

 I’m not doubting the colonel’s combat acumen. I certainly can’t say that’s what I saw in combat. I never witnessed a single 5.56mm round fired at the enemy decapitate or sever a human body in half. If this were true of the 5.56mm cartridge, it would beg the question why the military is spending millions to move to the 6.8mm Next Generation Squad Weapon, using a heavier caliber that carries more kinetic energy downrange. It would also beg the question of why the military also uses 7.62x51mm, .300 Winchester Magnum, .338 Lapua Magnum and .50 BMG caliber ammunition. If the 5.56mm cartridge were that devastating, there would clearly be no additional need for heavier bullets with more gunpowder behind them.

 I’ve killed coyotes and prairie dogs with both 5.56mm and .223 Remington. Nothing of what Colonel Tucker describes ever happened on these much smaller targets. In fact, in my home state, the .223/5.56mm cartridge isn’t considered powerful enough for an ethical harvest of whitetail deer.

https://www.nssf.org/articles/marine-co ... testimony/

I have also shot live targets.  The Colonel is full of ****.  

@R. Suave   is there where you get you info from?

Unlike many losers I can name, I never hide my sources, Sheilagh...

Do you have a point?

R.Suave » 19 Feb 2024, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 12:37 pm

Unlike many losers I can name, I never hide my sources, Sheilagh...

Do you have a point?

The Colonel lied.  Telling the same lies you tell.  That round will not sever a body.  Hell, some states don't want you to use it to shoot deer.  It is a varmint round.  You could also explain your personal experience shooting at a live target with the round,

 

Huey » 19 Feb 2024, 12:41 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 12:41 pm

The Colonel lied.  Telling the same lies you tell.  That round will not sever a body.  Hell, some states don't want you to use it to shoot deer.  It is a varmint round.  You could also explain your personal experience shooting at a live target with the round,

Never shot a ar 15.  

But i have shot 22 rifle and ive never severed a squirrels head off much less a full grown human 
 

This is the kinda **** the ignorant gunophobes lap up (they know who they are). They have to spread lies to gin up fear to pass their agenda.

Huey » 19 Feb 2024, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 1:01 pm

This is the kinda **** the ignorant gunophobes lap up (they know who they are). They have to spread lies to gin up fear to pass their agenda.

Just gonna leave this right here...


 
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Huey » 19 Feb 2024, 12:41 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 12:41 pm

The Colonel lied.  Telling the same lies you tell.  That round will not sever a body.  Hell, some states don't want you to use it to shoot deer.  It is a varmint round.  You could also explain your personal experience shooting at a live target with the round,

Have I ever told you that it will?

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Huey » 19 Feb 2024, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 1:01 pm

This is the kinda **** the ignorant gunophobes lap up (they know who they are). They have to spread lies to gin up fear to pass their agenda.

Just gonna leave this right here...


 
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R.Suave » 19 Feb 2024, 1:09 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 1:09 pm

Have I ever told you that it will?

I thought you always answered questions?

Please post your your experience firing the round with an M16 military rifle OR a civilian semi auto sports rifle while aiming at live targets.  Then I will answer your question.

Huey » 19 Feb 2024, 1:49 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 1:49 pm

I thought you always answered questions?

Please post your your experience firing the round with an M16 military rifle OR a civilian semi auto sports rifle while aiming at live targets.  Then I will answer your question.

You never do.

I don't understand why you are stalking me about this..
 

R.Suave » 19 Feb 2024, 2:13 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 2:13 pm

You never do.

I don't understand why you are stalking me about this..

You should have led with that.  Now that you are getting your *** handed to you you have decided to whine.

 have never no experience with it.  While you never said it would sever a body you have said out right it is a very powerful round.

It is not.  It is an intermediate powered cartridge the many won't use on anything bigger than a varmint.
 

Bidencrimefamily » 19 Feb 2024, 12:45 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 12:45 pm

Never shot a ar 15.  

But i have shot 22 rifle and ive never severed a squirrels head off much less a full grown human

Are you  comparing a very low power .22LR rifle round to a .223...?      


 

 

Redheaded Stranger » 19 Feb 2024, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 12:33 pm

...as to tie up the enemies resources on the battlefield tending to wounded casualties instead of stepping over dead ones.

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Right...I was taught you don't kill unless you have to. By wounding you are taking out 3 soldiers at once plus...I don't know what they called it now of days but in Vietnam it was a dustoff. Anyone who has been there...know why ? I can't figure it out.

MackTheFinger » 19 Feb 2024, 2:58 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 2:58 pm

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Right...I was taught you don't kill unless you have to. By wounding you are taking out 3 soldiers at once plus...I don't know what they called it now of days but in Vietnam it was a dustoff. Anyone who has been there...know why ? I can't figure it out.

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instan ... ation.html
 

R.Suave » 19 Feb 2024, 2:13 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 2:13 pm

You never do.

I don't understand why you are stalking me about this..

You also tried to defend Joe Biden when he said, on two different occasion, that the rifle shoots the round 5x faster than other gun.  That is complete and utter ****.

Huey » 19 Feb 2024, 2:28 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 2:28 pm

You should have led with that.  Now that you are getting your *** handed to you you have decided to whine.

 have never no experience with it.  While you never said it would sever a body you have said out right it is a very powerful round.

It is not.  It is an intermediate powered cartridge the many won't use on anything bigger than a varmint.

You should have led with that

Natch.

Now that you are getting your *** handed to you you have decided to whine.

Unless something in your thread contradicts anything I've posted, that is unlikely.

 While you never said it would sever a body you have said out right it is a very powerful round

Haven't said that either.

So I guess you can stop stalking me now.

R.Suave » 19 Feb 2024, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 3:28 pm

Natch.

Unless something in your thread contradicts anything I've posted, that is unlikely.

Haven't said that either.

So I guess you can stop stalking me now.

It contradicts your presentation that the 5.56/.223 is some sort of super round.

Huey » 19 Feb 2024, 3:31 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2024, 3:31 pm

It contradicts your presentation that the 5.56/.223 is some sort of super round.

In the retelling.

In reality I have said it was optimized around the temporary cavity principle.