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I don't know about this. I can foresee a huge slippery slope. If a person drives home drunk from a bar, then kills someone, should the bar be held responsible? This reminds of that case, years ago, against NAMBLA. The parents sued NAMBLA because the pedo that killed their son was a member and used NAMBLA's publications about how to groom little boys. NAMBLA was found 'not guilty' as it fell under their right to freedom of speech. This father has a right to bear arms. 

The father of a Michigan school shooter was found guilty of involuntary manslaughter Thursday, a second conviction against the teen’s parents who were accused of failing to secure a gun at home and doing nothing to address acute signs of his mental turmoil.The jury verdict means James Crumbley has joined Jennifer Crumbley as a cause of the killing of four students at Oxford High School in 2021, even without pulling the trigger.They had separate trials as the first U.S. parents to be charged in a mass school shooting committed by their child. Jennifer Crumbley, 45, was convicted of involuntary manslaughter in February.

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Vegas » 15 Mar 2024, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2024, 3:01 pm

I don't know about this. I can foresee a huge slippery slope. If a person drives home drunk from a bar, then kills someone, should the bar be held responsible? This reminds of that case, years ago, against NAMBLA. The parents sued NAMBLA because the pedo that killed their son was a member and used NAMBLA's publications about how to groom little boys. NAMBLA was found 'not guilty' as it fell under their right to freedom of speech. This father has a right to bear arms. 



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this is just another George Zimmerman frame up job. it was that girlfriend that coaxed Treyvon to go out and attack George with a mind set George was a homo sexual stalker.

Treyvon was attempting a hate crime on George. The media sure turned that around didn't they. The real story came out after the trial was over and that fat female told the true story on a national interview.

Now, social justifications were served but equal justice is dead. karma Punished everyone that was guilty of that crime and coverup.

Vegas » 15 Mar 2024, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2024, 3:01 pm

I don't know about this. I can foresee a huge slippery slope. If a person drives home drunk from a bar, then kills someone, should the bar be held responsible? This reminds of that case, years ago, against NAMBLA. The parents sued NAMBLA because the pedo that killed their son was a member and used NAMBLA's publications about how to groom little boys. NAMBLA was found 'not guilty' as it fell under their right to freedom of speech. This father has a right to bear arms. 

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Or what's gonna happen when someone commits a crime with a firearm that was given to them as a gift years earlier by a parent or friend?

​​​​​​This is why they want registration/tracking of all movement of a firearm. They want to take down as many "gun nuts" as possible in each instance.
 

Vegas » 15 Mar 2024, 3:01 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2024, 3:01 pm

I don't know about this. I can foresee a huge slippery slope. If a person drives home drunk from a bar, then kills someone, should the bar be held responsible? This reminds of that case, years ago, against NAMBLA. The parents sued NAMBLA because the pedo that killed their son was a member and used NAMBLA's publications about how to groom little boys. NAMBLA was found 'not guilty' as it fell under their right to freedom of speech. This father has a right to bear arms. 

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I gotta go with the jury on this one.  The father bought the gun for him.  People under 21 are not supposed to have one in michigan, or by federal law.  If the kid was 18, different story.  

ANd with the kid's mental health issues he should have known better.  

Huey » 15 Mar 2024, 3:24 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2024, 3:24 pm

I gotta go with the jury on this one.  The father bought the gun for him.  People under 21 are not supposed to have one in michigan, or by federal law.  If the kid was 18, different story.  

ANd with the kid's mental health issues he should have known better.

From what I have read, I don't believe the father made the purchase for the son specifically, but also didn't hide the fact that he had it from his son either... and even took him to the range to shoot it a couple of times.

It's sounds like the kid took the gun, which was unsecured, to school without his parents knowledge.

Something else I recall from the story was the parents had been called to the school the morning of the shooting by administration for a meeting over some disturbed drawings the kid has made that day at school. The pistol was in his back pack, at school that day, during the meeting... but wasn't discovered.

If the parents are liable, then so are the administrators at the school... since they had the kid and possibly the firearm in their office at some point that very day, but never bothered to look in the kid's backpack.

 
 

Huey » 15 Mar 2024, 3:24 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Mar 2024, 3:24 pm

I gotta go with the jury on this one.  The father bought the gun for him.  People under 21 are not supposed to have one in michigan, or by federal law.  If the kid was 18, different story.  

ANd with the kid's mental health issues he should have known better.

  I'm kind of surprised the kid didn't kill his parents first.