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People like to talk about 'race' being a 'social construct'...but as anyone investigates this lone of reasoning it always turns out to be a purely semantic argument. Primarily this stems from people who feel uncomfortable with race being a word used to describe a biological thing. They feel the need to redefine words because particular combinations of sounds make them feel sad or something.

you won't find many people (although some do exist) who will assert that there is no genetic difference between a bantu and a Dutch person. Some people will insist the dna difference only exists outside the brain...and all brains are identical while admitting that there can be differences in skin color, nose shape, and perhaps resistance to malaria etc. That point of view seems rather implausible if we point out that over 85% of our DNA does have some impact on the brain, which is our most recent evolution and our most 'expensive' organ. But whatever. Clearly a lot of this nonsense is a product of people's devotion to liberal political ideas overwhelming their ability to be objective.

but anyway...I just want to generalize the concept of race and apply it to life in general rather than specifically humans and relate it to fundamental truths about evolutionary biology.

quite simply, I will say a race is the result of genetic adaptation to a particular way of life..whether or not that way of life is imposed by necessity or collectively agreed upon.

As a trivial example, europeans historically had a large amount of dairy in their diet. As a result a 'white' person is more likely to be lactose tolerant than a non white person. This of course is not the only difference between Europeans and other races, but it is one that has had genetic consequences.

to move away from humans, there are 2 basic 'kinds' of orca: those who primarily eat fish and those who primarily eat seals. Hunting for fish and hunting for seals requires slightly different traits and talents, so this has divided orca into 2 distinct races whoch are each fine tuned to their own specific activity. Because orcas migrate a lot, these 2 kinds often encounter eachother in the wild, but scientists have noted that they never breed with eachother. This is probably because if they did, the offspring would lose the genetic fine tuning to each of their respective activities...the offspring would not be particularly evolved to anything.

If that genetic isolation continued over a long enough time, it would be possible for orca to split into 2 distinct species...although there is no hard rule for when exactly that occurs. Genetically speaking there can be a very minor and almost indetectable genetic change that drastically reduces the chance of producing viable offspring. But it is plausible that this is the primary cause of speciation...because life does get more diverse over time rather than less...and only mass extinction events reduce the diversity of life in natural history.

 

anyway, to create a race, there must be 1) a sufficiently large original population 2) genetic isolation...either imposed (geographic distance, mountain range, etc)...or 'chosen' (rabbinical laws meant to reduce interpreting of jews and gentiles could be an example.. their complex dietary laws meant you were unlikely to have a successful 'date' with a gentile, etc...and also simple evolved instinct like we see in the orca example) 3) a particular way of life that is consistently followed (constraints of your habitat such as whether you have enough farmland or not...or somewhat more 'decision' based such as hunting seal...or something more complex such as feudalism or a civilization that thrives and expands based on being better at technological innovation..political structures like feudalism...religion...etc. from a genetic point of view whether these strategies are forced or decided based on 'free will' is irrelevant. It would simply be in contrast to 'genetic drift' which is purely random and not driven by any particular method of survival) 4) reproductive pressure imposed by that way of life that does in fact meaningfully determine whether a life form succeeds at reproduction or not (if you fail at hunting seals, you are going to starve and you won't reproduce). This is not exclusively caused by mortality ..it can also be imposed in a sort of culture like with humans were certain kinds of people will succeed at reproduction while others will fail...either because they choose celibacy or birth control etc. Or they are simply unable to find a mate/afford to raise a child, etc. 5) sufficient time. How long exactly is an open question..but we know for example that about 800 years were sufficient to produce the remarkable free diving genetic adaptations of the Sama bajao people, for example. So the meme of evolution requiring millions of years is simply an urban legend and remarkable changes can occur over a fairly short period of time (especially if there is a high percentage of 'gene flow'..the genetic diversity of the original population being a major factor in this)

 When a particular way of life (3) is determined and is clear,, that is when I would say ethnogenesis occurs...whether people are consciously aware of it or not. There was an ethnogenesis of the Gothic civilization, for example, following the fall of the roman empire...because the continuation of the roman empire method of survival simply was no longer possible. The Gothic tribes still did cling to the idea they were roman and it took about 1000 years for them to discover their own identity which we can now speak about in hindsight.  
 
 

Nobody says it's a social construct that has a brain.

Bidencrimefamily » 22 May 2024, 3:47 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2024, 3:47 pm

Nobody says it's a social construct that has a brain.

People with a brain do say this...but it is not because they believe it themselves. They want to undermine identity. The biggest source of resistance to foreign power is racial identity...so global imperialists hate the fact that some people have a racial identity.

FOS » 22 May 2024, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2024, 4:48 pm

People with a brain do say this...but it is not because they believe it themselves. They want to undermine identity. The biggest source of resistance to foreign power is racial identity...so global imperialists hate the fact that some people have a racial identity.

So you are saying Russia is going for global imperialism because they have racial identity. 


 

Bidencrimefamily » 22 May 2024, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2024, 4:57 pm

So you are saying Russia is going for global imperialism because they have racial identity.

Uh no. It is the opposite. People who promote racial identity are going to be anti global imperialism. For obvious reasons. People who want to control the world will try to undermine race. Because there are multiple races.

FOS » 22 May 2024, 5:06 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2024, 5:06 pm

Uh no. It is the opposite. People who promote racial identity are going to be anti global imperialism. For obvious reasons. People who want to control the world will try to undermine race. Because there are multiple races.

I'm not following. 

Which country is promoting racial identity and is doing imperialism right now?
 

Bidencrimefamily » 22 May 2024, 5:09 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2024, 5:09 pm

I'm not following. 

Which country is promoting racial identity and is doing imperialism right now?

Lol wtf. What are you not understanding? You don't want to accent how different you are from your subjects if you want political stability...so none. 

FOS » 22 May 2024, 5:13 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2024, 5:13 pm

Lol wtf. What are you not understanding? You don't want to accent how different you are from your subjects if you want political stability...so none.

So you want to point out differences of races to destabilize your country. 
 

FOS » 22 May 2024, 3:43 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2024, 3:43 pm

People like to talk about 'race' being a 'social construct'...but as anyone investigates this lone of reasoning it always turns out to be a purely semantic argument. Primarily this stems from people who feel uncomfortable with race being a word used to describe a biological thing. They feel the need to redefine words because particular combinations of sounds make them feel sad or something.

you won't find many people (although some do exist) who will assert that there is no genetic difference between a bantu and a Dutch person. Some people will insist the dna difference only exists outside the brain...and all brains are identical while admitting that there can be differences in skin color, nose shape, and perhaps resistance to malaria etc. That point of view seems rather implausible if we point out that over 85% of our DNA does have some impact on the brain, which is our most recent evolution and our most 'expensive' organ. But whatever. Clearly a lot of this nonsense is a product of people's devotion to liberal political ideas overwhelming their ability to be objective.

but anyway...I just want to generalize the concept of race and apply it to life in general rather than specifically humans and relate it to fundamental truths about evolutionary biology.

quite simply, I will say a race is the result of genetic adaptation to a particular way of life..whether or not that way of life is imposed by necessity or collectively agreed upon.

As a trivial example, europeans historically had a large amount of dairy in their diet. As a result a 'white' person is more likely to be lactose tolerant than a non white person. This of course is not the only difference between Europeans and other races, but it is one that has had genetic consequences.

to move away from humans, there are 2 basic 'kinds' of orca: those who primarily eat fish and those who primarily eat seals. Hunting for fish and hunting for seals requires slightly different traits and talents, so this has divided orca into 2 distinct races whoch are each fine tuned to their own specific activity. Because orcas migrate a lot, these 2 kinds often encounter eachother in the wild, but scientists have noted that they never breed with eachother. This is probably because if they did, the offspring would lose the genetic fine tuning to each of their respective activities...the offspring would not be particularly evolved to anything.

If that genetic isolation continued over a long enough time, it would be possible for orca to split into 2 distinct species...although there is no hard rule for when exactly that occurs. Genetically speaking there can be a very minor and almost indetectable genetic change that drastically reduces the chance of producing viable offspring. But it is plausible that this is the primary cause of speciation...because life does get more diverse over time rather than less...and only mass extinction events reduce the diversity of life in natural history.

 

Temperate zones are perpendicular Climate zones to longitudes being time zones to intellectual interpretation of life being more than self evident evolving this rotation.describing time and distance works on a rotating planet orbited by the moon, revolving around the star in a solar system spiraling in a galaxy here, not all the ones far and further away all functioning the same way at the same time always separate results arriving in series parallel positions of combined periodic elements sustaining forms shaped universally present to Chromosome separation of the food chain native to specific planets in specific solar systems with specific populations each rotation of the planet nothing stays in its original arrival shape as uniquely added equally sharing time adapting as self evidently where details happen and results are never same total sum again, now.

Bidencrimefamily » 22 May 2024, 5:15 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2024, 5:15 pm

So you want to point out differences of races to destabilize your country.

absolutely. But it isn't some cynical tactic on my part, although other people may be using it thay way to great effect. I just genuinely believe race is very significant and a country that tries to rule over multiple races is intrinsically illegitimate for that reason. Because the usa does this, the usa should be destroyed.

Bidencrimefamily » 22 May 2024, 5:15 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2024, 5:15 pm

So you want to point out differences of races to destabilize your country. 
 

Syllogism ^^^^^^^^. Symbolism doesn't exist without syllablism used every generation gap in each alternate reality in this atmosphere making ancestors mind power of suggestion or else be removed from humanity.

Race is a socially constructed category of identification based on the social significance given to physical characteristics, ancestry, historical affiliation or shared culture.

FOS » 22 May 2024, 3:43 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2024, 3:43 pm

People like to talk about 'race' being a 'social construct'...but as anyone investigates this lone of reasoning it always turns out to be a purely semantic argument. Primarily this stems from people who feel uncomfortable with race being a word used to describe a biological thing. They feel the need to redefine words because particular combinations of sounds make them feel sad or something.

you won't find many people (although some do exist) who will assert that there is no genetic difference between a bantu and a Dutch person. Some people will insist the dna difference only exists outside the brain...and all brains are identical while admitting that there can be differences in skin color, nose shape, and perhaps resistance to malaria etc. That point of view seems rather implausible if we point out that over 85% of our DNA does have some impact on the brain, which is our most recent evolution and our most 'expensive' organ. But whatever. Clearly a lot of this nonsense is a product of people's devotion to liberal political ideas overwhelming their ability to be objective.

but anyway...I just want to generalize the concept of race and apply it to life in general rather than specifically humans and relate it to fundamental truths about evolutionary biology.

quite simply, I will say a race is the result of genetic adaptation to a particular way of life..whether or not that way of life is imposed by necessity or collectively agreed upon.

As a trivial example, europeans historically had a large amount of dairy in their diet. As a result a 'white' person is more likely to be lactose tolerant than a non white person. This of course is not the only difference between Europeans and other races, but it is one that has had genetic consequences.

to move away from humans, there are 2 basic 'kinds' of orca: those who primarily eat fish and those who primarily eat seals. Hunting for fish and hunting for seals requires slightly different traits and talents, so this has divided orca into 2 distinct races whoch are each fine tuned to their own specific activity. Because orcas migrate a lot, these 2 kinds often encounter eachother in the wild, but scientists have noted that they never breed with eachother. This is probably because if they did, the offspring would lose the genetic fine tuning to each of their respective activities...the offspring would not be particularly evolved to anything.

If that genetic isolation continued over a long enough time, it would be possible for orca to split into 2 distinct species...although there is no hard rule for when exactly that occurs. Genetically speaking there can be a very minor and almost indetectable genetic change that drastically reduces the chance of producing viable offspring. But it is plausible that this is the primary cause of speciation...because life does get more diverse over time rather than less...and only mass extinction events reduce the diversity of life in natural history.

Race is a socially constructed category of identification based on the social significance given to physical characteristics, ancestry, historical affiliation or shared culture.

Bidencrimefamily » 22 May 2024, 5:27 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2024, 5:27 pm

Race is a socially constructed category of identification based on the social significance given to physical characteristics, ancestry, historical affiliation or shared culture.

Spoken like a true imperialist, lol. Too bad that you can't find any solution to black crime or black academic failure with such assumptions.

Bidencrimefamily » 22 May 2024, 5:23 pm » wrote: ↑

22 May 2024, 5:23 pm

Race is a socially constructed category of identification based on the social significance given to physical characteristics, ancestry, historical affiliation or shared culture.

Race is a competition to see which generation gap in each reality governs globally tomorrow. Ancestral lineages per temperate zone aren't the same as comparing them in time zones each rotation of the planet sustaining opposing seasons north and south, day and night facing the star or looking beyond the solar system as dawn is the leading edge revolving around the star and dusk is training edge the surface of the planet is always going by thes event horizons simultaneously happening spontaneously to geographical areas at each event horizon. that are always located in the separate movement of the planet perpetually balancing to this unique universal position.

Vanity of humanity corrupted every generation gap added last 7,000 revolutions erd from the star and the rotation during each revolution life never duplicated previous lifetimes each generation since inception of this species into the 8 billion residing this rotation.