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Tesla received a 465 million  low interest loan from the US department of Energy. They paid it back 9 years early. Ok, good for them for doing their **** job. They had a low interest which means the government didn't make as much which ultimately belonged to the taxpayers.  The real problem is: 

1. The everyday taxpayer that funded that 465 million sees 0 return on their investment. How does Tesla benefit everybody else in America?
2.  EVs may not pollute as much as combustion cars, but its impact on the environment is tantamount to combustion cars, such as the enormous mining, the land disruptions, and the amount of carbon energy it takes to build an ev. It pretty much equals out. 



 

Vegas » 28 May 2024, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 3:13 pm

Tesla received a 465 million  low interest loan from the US department of Energy. They paid it back 9 years early. Ok, good for them for doing their **** job. They had a low interest which means the government didn't make as much which ultimately belonged to the taxpayers.  The real problem is: 

1. The everyday taxpayer that funded that 465 million sees 0 return on their investment. How does Tesla benefit everybody else in America?
2.  EVs may not pollute as much as combustion cars, but its impact on the environment is tantamount to combustion cars, such as the enormous mining, the land disruptions, and the amount of carbon energy it takes to build an ev. It pretty much equals out. 

the whole universe is a balancing act between exponential expanding details changing existential contracting results existed as separate evolving results of combined chromosomes so far coming from eroded expanding combinations of periodic elements sustaining the ever changing details never duplicated as before working same way every rotation, revolution around the star.

31stArrival » 28 May 2024, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 3:25 pm

the whole universe is a balancing act between exponential expanding details changing existential contracting results existed as separate evolving results of combined chromosomes so far coming from eroded expanding combinations of periodic elements sustaining the ever changing details never duplicated as before working same way every rotation, revolution around the star.

Care to explain that?
 

Mrkelly » 28 May 2024, 4:19 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 4:19 pm

Care to explain that?
 

Why do I have to explain it when your body is experiencing the situation(proportionately alive adapting to the whatif scenarios of your community mindset same as I do from a separate ancestral position occupying time this rotation?

Every ancestor's point of origin is the rotation of their conception as their body has ben eternally changing the total sum changes reached in this rotation.

Self evident results as physically limited to equally adapting to time occupying space unqiuely here.

31stArrival » 28 May 2024, 4:30 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 4:30 pm

Why do I have to explain it when your body is experiencing the situation(proportionately alive adapting to the whatif scenarios of your community mindset same as I do from a separate ancestral position occupying time this rotation?

Every ancestor's point of origin is the rotation of their conception as their body has ben eternally changing the total sum changes reached in this rotation.

Self evident results as physically limited to equally adapting to time occupying space unqiuely here.

Oh

OK

Mrkelly » 28 May 2024, 4:31 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 4:31 pm

Oh

OK

Standard patronizing response.

31stArrival » 28 May 2024, 4:36 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 4:36 pm

Standard patronizing response.

You didn’t address the EV question 
 

Vegas » 28 May 2024, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 3:13 pm

Tesla received a 465 million  low interest loan from the US department of Energy. They paid it back 9 years early. Ok, good for them for doing their **** job. They had a low interest which means the government didn't make as much which ultimately belonged to the taxpayers.  The real problem is: 

1. The everyday taxpayer that funded that 465 million sees 0 return on their investment. How does Tesla benefit everybody else in America?
2.  EVs may not pollute as much as combustion cars, but its impact on the environment is tantamount to combustion cars, such as the enormous mining, the land disruptions, and the amount of carbon energy it takes to build an ev. It pretty much equals out.

It's not corporate welfare if you support the specific industry, **** mouth pieces of ****.

Did your research actually give the interest rates for this loan? I bet a lot of people holding federal student loans would like the same rate!
 

Fuelman » 28 May 2024, 4:55 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 4:55 pm

It's not corporate welfare if you support the specific industry, **** mouth pieces of ****.

Did your research actually give the interest rates for this loan? I bet a lot of people holding federal student loans would like the same rate!

Relax *** clown. If a corporation is giving our money to with no intention on taxpayers benefiting, then it's corporate welfare. 

Blow me.

Vegas » 28 May 2024, 5:36 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 5:36 pm

Relax *** clown. If a corporation is giving our money to with no intention on taxpayers benefiting, then it's corporate welfare. 

Blow me.

  Dude, it went over your head. I said the same thing with a little sarcastic twist. Knuckle head.

I can handle a polite **** off but don't be soliciting sex with me unless you really want to lose that little pencil!


 

Fuelman » 28 May 2024, 5:52 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 5:52 pm

  Dude, it went over your head. I said the same thing with a little sarcastic twist. Knuckle head.

I can handle a polite **** off but don't be soliciting sex with me unless you really want to lose that little pencil!

Oh ok. LOL. I thought it was weird. You gave me two greenies, but then ripped into me at the same time. I was confused.   

Mrkelly » 28 May 2024, 4:19 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 4:19 pm

Care to explain that?

Why would you bother asking him that? 

Vegas » 28 May 2024, 6:50 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 6:50 pm

Why would you bother asking him that?

Just wondering 
 

Mrkelly » 28 May 2024, 6:55 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 6:55 pm

Just wondering

There is nothing to wonder about his posts. He is out of his mind. Do you asks people with Alzheimer's to explain their incoherency?

Mrkelly » 28 May 2024, 4:31 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 4:31 pm

Oh

OK

 

Mrkelly » 28 May 2024, 4:43 pm » wrote: ↑

28 May 2024, 4:43 pm

 

the issue only frames people to mind one track notions life isn't self evident. What else is there to address?

That is a reflection of an existing perpetual motion to all universal combined movements balancing into evolving forward as specifically positioned ancestrally here so far navigating with a personal brain to adapt with never staying same form as one's original fertilized cell arriving the specific rotation of their conception to their one time event adapting in space between womb to tomb today, every rotation their body is never same shape since the rotation of their conception.

No exceptions due to plant, or animal ancestry, predator or prey ancestral position in current total sum population, nature of behavior in social scenarios until dead regardless never reproducing a next generation gap, outlifed added generation gaps, dies serving humanity, humanity destroying anyone not complying to social consensus of their ancestral lineage or geographical grid marked out by intellectual lines on reproduced images of this planet on maps, globes, history of social practices in each time zone longitude and temperate zone latitude.

It took me 55 years of my life to get my grain to not mind everything I was educated to believe possible since birth. Absolute power corrupts absolutely when previous 4 generations invent traditional values defying the natural process of genetics has always sustained eternally separation of any reproduction native to its unique universal position living now.

When an ancestor devotes their time living to pretending life is too difficult to manage the simplicity life never exceeds adapting as displaced every rotation of the planet called today. the 8th corner of 7 degrees of separated in plain sight everyone thinks beyond self contained to their position as genetically eternally separated now.

Anyone defying a staged humanity will face rule of law moralizing reasonable doubt protected by legislated ethical behaviors cradle to grave everyone added must pick a belief life isn't self evident today. Political rank between leaderships and fellowships among winners and losers of keeping everyone else loyal to a royal we the people mantra each generation academia, arts, economics, religious congregations, political parties, working sibling rivalries to exist in social scenarios making each great great grandchild generation gap pick the ideas used throughout history of this species corrupting itself with previous 4 generations commanding the 5th to comply with social consensus or else.

Words and music, art and reality, win hearts and minds to control body and intellect to mind possibilities life is more than simple adapting to each rotation each body never stays in its original arrival formed fertilized cell on the specific rotation conceived eternal separation is measured by clocks and calendars marking off how many rotations lived so far.

I stopped pretending life wasn't self evident in 1982 and social regulations regardless country, soul mentality, rule of law, ancestral lineage, generation gap living in since birth, prohibits me from being honest about self evident time I get living eternally separated each rotation I have been alive to date.

Every ancestor protesting for human rights is demanding everyone else ignore the same things they are. Common since conceived vs common sense corrupted cradle to grave.

Devil in the details lived each generation gap live evil governs natural time every reproduction gets living since conceived until decomposed now the rotation always called today regardless the other 7 on a calendar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7hZb_ytlrg It is about 60 years since that happened. 3 generations gaps. Beatles didn't last much more than 2 decades of each of their lives being stars of societal evolution.