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Will Trump go to jail?
Will Trump go to jail?
By *rippy38
31 May 2024 6:49 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
1 Jun 2024 6:51 am
Beekeeper » 01 Jun 2024, 6:46 am » wrote: ↑ NO "underlying crime" was stated in the Indictment as the 6th Amendment requires, and WITNESSES for the Defense were NOT permitted to testify on the LAW that was being "asserted" as an FEC violation.
Sixth Amendment
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Do you actually ENJOY having your *** KICKED ****??
he was charged under 175.10 as noted in the indictment.NO "underlying crime" was stated in the Indictment as the 6th Amendment
The "underlying crime" was not at issue...it only served to move the offenses from misdemeanor to felony.
1 Jun 2024 6:52 am
I didn't....I answered it.
Has your position on answers "evolved"?
1 Jun 2024 6:54 am
No vote was recorded in your name... coward.Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 6:52 am » wrote: ↑ I didn't....I answered it.
Has your position on answers "evolved"?
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1 Jun 2024 6:55 am
Fondler,Beekeeper » 01 Jun 2024, 6:28 am » wrote: ↑ You tossed nothing. I've said all along that the SCOTUS would be appealed to ASAP since there are PROVEN 5th, 6th and 7th Amendment violations. And the FACT that he could NEVER get a fair hearing in NY State at any level of Court.
You ASSUME more than you are capable of comprehending.
I, quite consistently, get these matters right....
You never do.
Because you're a **** idiot.
1 Jun 2024 6:56 am
Irrelevant.
I answered it.
Is my answer not to your liking?
1 Jun 2024 6:58 am
Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 6:51 am » wrote: ↑ he was charged under 175.10 as noted in the indictment.
The "underlying crime" was not at issue...it only served to move the offenses from misdemeanor to felony.
And what "underlying crime" was PROVEN to have occurred???
!!
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The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
1 Jun 2024 6:59 am
What changes between words like jail vs prison? One is in jail until a trial, then the different jail gets called a prison. Learn to navigate evolving uniquely here beyond semantics of vernacular tribalism.Bidencrimefamily » 01 Jun 2024, 1:16 am » wrote: ↑ Trump won't go to prison.
I hope that he get 20,000 hours of community service.
Him cleaning the side of the road would be fun.
1 Jun 2024 7:02 am
Don't run your ******* mouth, Fondler...Beekeeper » 01 Jun 2024, 6:58 am » wrote: ↑ And what "underlying crime" was PROVEN to have occurred???
Oops!!
On June 16, 2015, Individual-1 began his presidential campaign. While COHEN continued to work at the Company and did not have a formal title with the campaign, he had a campaign email address and, at various times, advised the campaign, including on matters of interest to the press, and made televised and media appearances on behalf of the campaign.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/mi ... iminal-tax
1 Jun 2024 7:08 am
Without specifying the "underlying crime" then there is no felony charge... otherwise the fact of simply falsifying business records would in itself be a felony.Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 6:51 am » wrote: ↑ he was charged under 175.10 as noted in the indictment.
The "underlying crime" was not at issue...it only served to move the offenses from misdemeanor to felony.
Bragg had the easier task of only having to prosecute the misdemeanor part of the equation but was awarded a felony conviction for it... and Marchen facilitated it from the bench.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
1 Jun 2024 7:08 am
Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 7:02 am » wrote: ↑ Don't run your ******* mouth, Fondler...
On June 16, 2015, Individual-1 began his presidential campaign. While COHEN continued to work at the Company and did not have a formal title with the campaign, he had a campaign email address and, at various times, advised the campaign, including on matters of interest to the press, and made televised and media appearances on behalf of the campaign.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/mi ... iminal-tax
So that's supposed to be a CRIME?? Someone worked a minimal amount ON A CAMPAIGN?? And did that same individual do LEGAL WORK for Trump as a PRIVATE CITIZEN?? When did that DISTINCTION of which was which have any TESTIMONY to determine that REQUIREMENT??
Enjoy that BLISTERED ***, ****!!!
You STILL have not PROVEN an UNDERLYING CRIME OCCURED nor what it was to begin with, ****!!!
Liberals are spoiled children, miserable, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic & useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats ~O'Rourke
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
The Democratic Party seems intransigent on their position of keeping the party ‘woke,’ detached, exclusionary, and totally insane.
1 Jun 2024 7:12 am
They only had to specify, in the indictment, that with which he was charged...included among the 3 step up factors was the campaign finance violation to which Cohen pleaded guilty in 2018...I believe the other was a state tax evasion charge.*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 7:08 am » wrote: ↑ Without specifying the "underlying crime" then there is no felony charge... otherwise the fact of simply falsifying business records would in itself be a felony.
Bragg had the easier task of only having to prosecute the misdemeanor part of the equation but was awarded a felony conviction for it... and Marchen facilitated it from the bench.
1 Jun 2024 7:16 am
Fondler, you **** imbecileBeekeeper » 01 Jun 2024, 7:08 am » wrote: ↑ So that's supposed to be a CRIME?? Someone worked a minimal amount ON A CAMPAIGN?? And did that same individual do LEGAL WORK for Trump as a PRIVATE CITIZEN?? When did that DISTINCTION of which was which have any TESTIMONY to determine that REQUIREMENT??
Enjoy that BLISTERED ***, ****!!!
You STILL have not PROVEN an UNDERLYING CRIME OCCURED nor what it was to begin with, ****!!!
Read it.
1 Jun 2024 7:18 am
With specifying the underlying crime, there is no felony... according to NY law.Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 7:12 am » wrote: ↑ They only had to specify, in the indictment, that with which he was charged...included among the 3 step up factors was the campaign finance violation to which Cohen pleaded guilty in 2018...I believe the other was a state tax evasion charge.
Saying "well, it could have been this, that, or the other thing" and then not having to prove what "this, that, or the other thing" was beyond a reasonable doubt, doesn't fly... but that's exactly what Bragg did, with Merchan's help.
Bragg prosecuted the charges as though they were misdemeanors, not felonies... and got away with it thanks to the corrupt judge.
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1 Jun 2024 7:21 am
You're completely full of ****.*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 7:08 am » wrote: ↑ Without specifying the "underlying crime" then there is no felony charge... otherwise the fact of simply falsifying business records would in itself be a felony.
Bragg had the easier task of only having to prosecute the misdemeanor part of the equation but was awarded a felony conviction for it... and Marchen facilitated it from the bench.
He had to prove falsification.
The jury didn't appear challenged by that.
To get to felony, he needed all jurors to agree that it was in the furtherance of a crime.
1 of the 3 was the scheme for which Michael Cohen served time. As part of his plea he detailed the exact events revealed by Packer.
1 Jun 2024 7:24 am
Proving the falsification was the misdemeanor part... proving the underlying crime was the felony qualifier.Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 7:21 am » wrote: ↑ You're completely full of ****.
He had to prove falsification.
The jury didn't appear challenged by that.
To get to felony, he needed all jurors to agree that it was in the furtherance of a crime.
1 of the 3 was the scheme for which Michael Cohen served time. As part of his plea he detailed the exact events revealed by Packer.
Without specifying and proving the underlying crime, there is no felony... only a misdemeanor.
Read the law bonehead.
Duh
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1 Jun 2024 7:25 am
They were before that judge, in that court, EXACTLY BECAUSE the case was about falsification of business records.*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 7:18 am » wrote: ↑ With specifying the underlying crime, there is no felony... according to NY law.
Saying "well, it could have been this, that, or the other thing" and then not having to prove what "this, that, or the other thing" was beyond a reasonable doubt, doesn't fly... but that's exactly what Bragg did, with Merchan's help.
Bragg prosecuted the charges as though they were misdemeanors, not felonies... and got away with it thanks to the corrupt judge.
1 Jun 2024 7:26 am
*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 7:24 am » wrote: ↑ Proving the falsification was the misdemeanor part... proving the underlying crime was the felony qualifier.
Without specifying and proving the underlying crime, there is no felony... only a misdemeanor.
Read the law bonehead.
Duh
Go ahead and cite the law..Without specifying and proving the underlying crime, there is no felony... only a misdemeanor.
Read the law bonehead.
1 Jun 2024 7:27 am
Falsification of business records is only a misdemeanor... only proof of a specific underlying crime makes it a felony.Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 7:25 am » wrote: ↑ They were before that judge, in that court, EXACTLY BECAUSE the case was about falsification of business records.
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1 Jun 2024 7:28 am
Stop paraphrasing the law.*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 7:27 am » wrote: ↑ Falsification of business records is only a misdemeanor... only proof of a specific underlying crime makes it a felony.
Post it.
1 Jun 2024 7:35 am
I have, several times...
§ 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.
A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.
Arguing that Trump might have done this, that, or the other thing doesn't show intent...
Nod.
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