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*rippy38 » 31 May 2024, 6:49 am » wrote: ↑

31 May 2024, 6:49 am

What will Merchan do?
 

Won't matter what he does or doesn't do. Won't matter if Trump wins in November or not. What every alternate reality fails to comprehend is humanity lost its credibility May 30, 2024.

Today 6/1/2024 every alternate reality is trying to re-establish its persuasion of power through reasonable doubt and every reality is in the domino effect of imploding like never occurred since dawn of civilization started stacking the dominoes in series parallel patterns of denying life in real time evolving.

Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 7:21 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 7:21 am

You're completely full of ****.

He had to prove falsification.

The jury didn't appear challenged by that.

To get to felony, he needed all jurors to agree that it was in the furtherance of a crime.

1 of the 3 was the scheme for which Michael Cohen served time. As part of his plea he detailed the exact events revealed by Packer.

When is falsifying business records NOT done in the furtherance of another crime?

Addressing that "other" crime is what qualifies it to be a felony... and you just said it didn't matter.

Bragg and Marchen played the same game.
 

*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 7:35 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 7:35 am

I have, several times...

§ 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.

 A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.

Arguing that Trump might have done this, that, or the other thing doesn't show intent...

Nod.
 
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Nothing in there about them having to simultaneously prosecute the "underlying crime" then...

I accept your concession.
 

Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 7:46 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 7:46 am

Nothing in there about them having to simultaneously prosecute the "underlying crime" then...

I accept your concession.

Look up the definition of intent.

I can promise you it doesn't say this, that, or the other thing...

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*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 7:45 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 7:45 am

When is falsifying business records NOT done in the furtherance of another crime?

Addressing that "other" crime is what qualifies it to be a felony... and you just said it didn't matter.

Bragg and Marchen played the same game.

When it's done in the furtherance of a misdemeanor.

Witnesses testified to the details of the underlying crime to which Cohen pleaded guilty in 2018.
 

*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 7:47 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 7:47 am

Look up the definition of intent.

I can promise you it doesn't say this, that, or the other thing...

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Don't, Trippie...it's a dead end.

Stay down.
 

Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 7:49 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 7:49 am

Don't, Trippie...it's a dead end.

Stay down.

I bet it gets tossed... 


 

*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 7:51 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 7:51 am

I bet it gets tossed...

Not because they failed to prosecute an "underlying crime".

 

*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 6:23 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 6:23 am

He started that babbling about 45 minutes ago... 

I think he's smoking that **** again.

Yeah.  He is.

Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 7:57 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 7:57 am

Not because they failed to prosecute an "underlying crime".

It's kinda hard to show intent without specifying what the defendant intended to do... "multiple guess" doesn't fly.

Then you have a convicted perjurer and a gold digging porn star that owes the defendant $300K as your "star" witnesses for the prosecution... and the whole circus being orchestrated by a corrupt judge that's in cahoots with a DA that was hired bring this case specifically to trial... not to mention that the defendant was gagged by the judge and was tried in a hostile venue to boot.

I mean, what's not to overturn?

LOL

 

*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 8:21 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:21 am

It's kinda hard to show intent without specifying what the defendant intended to do... "multiple guess" doesn't fly.

Then you have a convicted perjurer and a gold digging porn star that owes the defendant $300K as your "star" witnesses for the prosecution... and the whole circus being orchestrated by a corrupt judge that's in cahoots with a DA that was hired bring this case specifically to trial... not to mention that the defendant was gagged by the judge and was tried in a hostile venue to boot.

I mean, what's not to overturn?

LOL

No, they did...and demonstrated it with witness testimony...the facts establishing falsification covered intent. Witnesses told WHY.
 

*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 8:21 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:21 am

It's kinda hard to show intent without specifying what the defendant intended to do... "multiple guess" doesn't fly.

Then you have a convicted perjurer and a gold digging porn star that owes the defendant $300K as your "star" witnesses for the prosecution... and the whole circus being orchestrated by a corrupt judge that's in cahoots with a DA that was hired bring this case specifically to trial... not to mention that the defendant was gagged by the judge and was tried in a hostile venue to boot.

I mean, what's not to overturn?

LOL

Then you have a convicted perjurer and a gold digging porn star that owes the defendant $300K as your "star" witnesses for the prosecution...

You overlook the Defendant....

Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 8:25 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:25 am

You overlook the Defendant....

The prosecution has the burden of proof.
 

*rippy38 » 31 May 2024, 6:49 am » wrote: ↑

31 May 2024, 6:49 am

What will Merchan do?

If Bragg and Merchan send to Trump to jail it will prove this is nothing but a political game meant to sway an election.

Trump is a first time offender.  Bragg doesn't send first timers to jail for anything.  Whether violence or gun charges they usually walk.

 

*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 8:27 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:27 am

The prosecution has the burden of proof.

Rape

Fraud

More Fraud

Yet More Fraud.


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Huey » 01 Jun 2024, 8:29 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:29 am

If Bragg and Merchan send to Trump to jail it will prove this is nothing but a political game meant to sway an election.

Trump is a first time offender.  Bragg doesn't send first timers to jail for anything.  Whether violence or gun charges they usually walk.

The fact that 34 felony charges were even brought for something this minor that was past the statute of limitations, showed that this was politically motivated. The "verdict" was predetermined.

The Carroll **** and the other cases are as well.

The fact that Trump raised $50+ million in the 24 hours after the verdict was read shows that the Country knows it is too.

​​​​​​While I hate to see what's happening to our Country, I have to admit, this **** is pretty entertaining to watch.

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*rippy38 » 01 Jun 2024, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:40 am

The fact that 34 felony charges were even brought for something this minor that was past the statute of limitations, showed that this was politically motivated. The "verdict" was predetermined.

The Carroll **** and the other cases are as well.

The fact that Trump raised $50+ million in the 24 hours after the verdict was read shows that the Country knows it is too.

​​​​​​While I hate to see what's happening to our Country, I have to admit, this **** is pretty entertaining to watch.

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It isn't right and it shouldn't be funny but at the same time it makes for some great popcorn.. it's like they did it on purpose.. well, they did.. lol.. but I mean the result of it, it only made Trump more popular..

https://i.postimg.cc/Vv1bQXxZ/popcorn.gif


 

Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 8:24 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 8:24 am

No, they did...and demonstrated it with witness testimony...the facts establishing falsification covered intent. Witnesses told WHY.

Not even CNN's legal analysts agree with your stupidity .....

“I think that the jury instructions had a very key flaw here, which is the falsification of business records had to be in furtherance of some other crime and there wasn’t really great instructions on what that other crime was,” Parlatore said in response to a question about whether the jury instructions might lead to an appeals court overturning the verdict.“Under New York state law, they’re not required to say which it is. But when they do, the judge has to instruct them on that specific crime. And the problem here is they don’t have to prove that they actually committed that other crime. They don’t have to prove that they actually had [Federal Election Commission] violations, but they have to show that what they intended to do was in fact a crime. And that I think is really the shortfall in the jury instructions is the lack of an explanation to this jury as to the federal election law.”

ED MORRISSEY

Read it all. Elie Honig later added that a failure to sequester the jury in a case with this much publicity will likely result in a reversal, in addition to other errors made by Merchan. I was also puzzled that Merchan didn't order sequestration during at least the deliberations, if not for the entire trial. 

https://hotair.com/headlines/2024/05/31 ... n-n3789422
 
 
 

Blackvegetable » 01 Jun 2024, 5:08 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 5:08 am

let's cut this short...

who is telling you this, Ruby?

Which do you disagree with?
 

Cedar » 01 Jun 2024, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

01 Jun 2024, 10:21 am

Which do you disagree with?

You first, Cheddy...