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maineman » 12 Jun 2024, 1:00 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 1:00 pm

why don't I?  Because it sounds like a terribly boring thing to do on a Wednesday afternoon.

Are you suggesting that none of the 30K false or misleading statements documented by the WaPo are actually false and misleading?  You claim you can tear all of them apart?  If so.  I'd have you start at the beginning of their list and prove your mettle by tearing apart the first 30 of them, which is a little bit less than one tenth of one percent.  Ready?  GO!

First of all, I've made no statement claiming that every one of those claims made by the Washington Post was false.  I've seen that list of **** before and I have no doubt I can prove most of them are exactly what I said they were.  And unlike you (apparently), I would never subscribe to a worthless and biased rag of a paper like that, and therefore I'm not permitted access to their phony list.  So if you would still like me to dispute their claim of the first 30 "lies" you're convinced are valid, I'll be happy to do so.

Do you care to do the same and defend the lies that Biden has clearly made?  After all, this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump, but as I said, you gullible liberals are completely unable to defend Biden as I'm able to do with Trump, so you should be at least as willing as I am to either dispute his lies with facts, or acknowledge that they are indeed blatant and intentional lies.  After all, I've only handed you around half of the 30 "lies" you demand that I dispute, so if you seriously believe the Biden lies I posted were either false or unfair, you should be both willing and eager to defend the idiot you plan to vote for!
 

Zeets2 » 12 Jun 2024, 1:39 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 1:39 pm

First of all, I've made no statement claiming that every one of those claims made by the Washington Post was false.  I've seen that list of **** before and I have no doubt I can prove most of them are exactly what I said they were.  And unlike you (apparently), I would never subscribe to a worthless and biased rag of a paper like that, and therefore I'm not permitted access to their phony list.  So if you would still like me to dispute their claim of the first 30 "lies" you're convinced are valid, I'll be happy to do so.

Do you care to do the same and defend the lies that Biden has clearly made?  After all, this thread has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump, but as I said, you gullible liberals are completely unable to defend Biden as I'm able to do with Trump, so you should be at least as willing as I am to either dispute his lies with facts, or acknowledge that they are indeed blatant and intentional lies.  After all, I've only handed you around half of the 30 "lies" you demand that I dispute, so if you seriously believe the Biden lies I posted were either false or unfair, you should be both willing and eager to defend the idiot you plan to vote for!

“You have New York state and other places that passed legislation where you’re allowed to kill the baby after birth.”



and who needs WaPo when you've got Gateway Pundit, eh?  

“Brad Raffensperger, the head – who, by the way, last week said I didn’t do anything wrong. He said, ‘That was a negotiation.’ Brad Raffensperger, who I was dealing with, I appreciate that he said that. But he said last week, I didn’t do anything wrong.”

Welker said to Trump, “If elected, you say you would order the Defense Department to use special forces to inflict maximum damage on drug cartels.” But Trump responded, “I didn’t say that. No. People said I said that.” He repeated, “I didn’t say that.”

Facts First: Trump said that. In a video he released in January, which remains on his website, he said that, if elected president again, “I will order the Department of Defense to make appropriate use of special forces, cyber-warfare, and other overt and covert actions to inflict maximum damage on cartel leadership, infrastructure and operations.”

@Zeets2  

there are a couple for you to get started with..GO!
 

The Strategic Petroleum Reserve
Trump criticized President Joe Biden for releasing a large quantity of crude oil from the national Strategic Petroleum Reserve to try to keep prices down in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine – and Trump claimed that this is a reserve “I had a lot to do with filling up for the first time ever.” Trump added later in the interview, “He wanted to have low gas prices for an election. And now, we have nothing left.”

Facts First: Trump made two false claims here. First, contrary to his repeated assertions, it’s not true that he filled up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve; the reserve actually contained fewer barrels of crude oil when he left office in early 2021 than when he took office in 2017. Second, while the amount of crude in the reserve is at a 40-year low, it’s not even close to true that “we have nothing left” at present; the reserve remains the world’s largest even at its current level, with about 350.6 million barrels of crude as of the week ending September 8.

Zeets2 » 12 Jun 2024, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 9:49 am

No, you misunderstood.
I have no doubt that Hunter will be convicted on many or all of the charges against him.  That's important for Biden to present a phony idea that justice is blind and Hunter is being treated just like Trump was.  That serves Biden's election purpose and will be used in his campaign.

The difference is that any guilty verdict against Hunter prior to the election will be appealed, with the appeal being heard AFTER the election so that he won't be imprisoned before that date.  After election day until Jan. 19th 2025, Biden still has the power to give him a presidential pardon whether he wins or loses the election, because there will no longer be any way to pay the price for that decision politically, since he'll never be seeking office again after election day.
 

What is the difference between someone misunderstood and leaderships not wanting fellowships to understand life in plain sight? Reasonable doubt directing hope, faith, charity, social rank within the population left alive today, intellectually manifested power, wealth, fame tomorrow if everyone obeys ideas life isn't self evident this rotation labeled today, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a revolution around the star naturally eternally separating each reproduction native to this universal location now.

thing is in actual time relative time is 3 minutes and 4 seconds longer than actual time per rotation of the planet. 0-9 months conceived to birth doesn't matter to people wishing life cradle to grave wasn't eternally separated every today arriving forward each rotation now.

Why is the international dateline so crooked when every longitude is vertically straight up and down between north and south poles even 0 and 180 is AM tomorrow and 180.001 to 360 is PM today longitude?

there are 14 means to answer that. how, why, which, what, where, when, universal results place, thing, person exists in plain sight to current events each generation gap lived or alive this rotation between the figurative yesterday and tomorrow rule of 72 hours.

Evolving is self evident, evolution is comparing ideas life was never self contained to combined compounding chromosomes left alive this rotation.

Devil in the details.

31st Arrival » 12 Jun 2024, 1:56 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 1:56 pm

What is the difference between someone misunderstood and leaderships not wanting fellowships to understand life in plain sight? Reasonable doubt directing hope, faith, charity, social rank within the population left alive today, intellectually manifested power, wealth, fame tomorrow if everyone obeys ideas life isn't self evident this rotation labeled today, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a revolution around the star naturally eternally separating each reproduction native to this universal location now.

thing is in actual time relative time is 3 minutes and 4 seconds longer than actual time per rotation of the planet. 0-9 months conceived to birth doesn't matter to people wishing life cradle to grave wasn't eternally separated every today arriving forward each rotation now.

Why is the international dateline so crooked when every longitude is vertically straight up and down between north and south poles even 0 and 180 is AM tomorrow and 180.001 to 360 is PM today longitude?

there are 14 means to answer that. how, why, which, what, where, when, universal results place, thing, person exists in plain sight to current events each generation gap lived or alive this rotation between the figurative yesterday and tomorrow rule of 72 hours.

Evolving is self evident, evolution is comparing ideas life was never self contained to combined compounding chromosomes left alive this rotation.

Devil in the details.

My god you're a babbling idiot!

murdock » 12 Jun 2024, 2:10 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 2:10 pm

My god you're a babbling idiot!

I describe evolving uniquely alive, you recite what people believe true throughout each generation gap lived upto ancestries left alive today. I show missing links are a myth, you demand everyone believe they are undeniable facts or else face insubordination, treason, blasphemy against any working reality today.

Ancestral lineages are compounding chromosomes changing population since conceived to decomposed from inception to end of arriving great great grandchildren born this rotation as physically eternally separated when native to this atmosphere this rotation.

Space time continuum of series parallel results alive as spontaneously present simultaneously uniquely evolving forward in ever changing form since arriving a fertilized cell.

What babbling am I doing, you keep repeating the same mantra expecting better PM sides of the planet after tomorrow's am is 12 hours deep today.

Oh those magical longitudes comparing temperate zones between equator and opposite poles. Each rotation has 2 separate seasonal changes happening every revolution around the star.

Every character of humanity thinks 4 corners of the planet, north, south, east, west, never lived, once conceived, never duplicated, never same total sum twice.

8 wonders of the world. What are the 8 wonders to 7 degrees of existing, 6 degrees of separating the whole into loophole semantics, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a revolution this 3rd from the star planet exists perpetually balancing outcomes left alive this rotation.
https://i.postimg.cc/3wtqVzgz/Picture-152.jpg

there are 6 polarities to the figure above 4 on a horizontal plane, 2 on a vertical and one core point of origin as either inception of ancestral lineages or conception of generation gaps to population never same reproductions twice until there is never a 6th generation gap added again any rotation forward at that event horizon actually occurs.

that figure only shows 3 generation gaps or 6 degrees of separation between combined periodic elements shaping this universal position, north, south, midnight, dawn, noon, dusk of a rotating planet always revolving 3rd from the star every rotation, evey lunar phase, every seasonal shift each side of the equator. Gee, what sustains thermodynamic principles, never the same combinations twice, never duplicated results again, happening in plain sight, one species corrupts itself every generation in history directing current events where am of tomorrow is taking place same time 12PM is finishing up same rotation, same seasonal ****, same lunar phases, each ancestor alive, each generation gap living, now.

Oh those three axioms represent gaseous, liquid, mineral periodic element characteristics that combine to sustain this universal positions to erosion as doesn DNA changes chromosomes to each ancestral lineage living currently here since inception of each ancestral lineages evolving same as original generation gap as arriving great great grandchildren do replacing their 30 previous ancestry of last 4 generation gaps lived to date.


Honest accountability isn't babbling to everyone ignoring how and why they exit in the first place.

maineman » 12 Jun 2024, 1:51 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 1:51 pm

The Strategic Petroleum Reserve
Trump criticized President Joe Biden for releasing a large quantity of crude oil from the national Strategic Petroleum Reserve to try to keep prices down in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine – and Trump claimed that this is a reserve “I had a lot to do with filling up for the first time ever.” Trump added later in the interview, “He wanted to have low gas prices for an election. And now, we have nothing left.”

Facts First: Trump made two false claims here. First, contrary to his repeated assertions, it’s not true that he filled up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve; the reserve actually contained fewer barrels of crude oil when he left office in early 2021 than when he took office in 2017. Second, while the amount of crude in the reserve is at a 40-year low, it’s not even close to true that “we have nothing left” at present; the reserve remains the world’s largest even at its current level, with about 350.6 million barrels of crude as of the week ending September 8.

Who gives a **** if Trump misspoke because he's gonna have to fill it up after the daughter molester drained it down to nothing   

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafH ... SSTUS1&f=M
 

maineman » 12 Jun 2024, 1:43 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 1:43 pm

“You have New York state and other places that passed legislation where you’re allowed to kill the baby after birth.”

and who needs WaPo when you've got Gateway Pundit, eh?

I trust Gateway Punit far more than I would ANYTHING found in the WaPo, and the fact that you believe their **** so readily proves the kind of gullible liberal that you are, and that would include favoring the **** spewed on CNN, MSNBC, or The View, more than you would a source like Fox News.

Now getting down to cases, here's the PROOF of the claim made by Trump that allows both late term abortion and even abortion AFTER birth:

COLUMN: Late-Term Abortion Extremism on Display in New York, Virginia
Feb 1, 2019
The issue of abortion is likely one of the biggest fault lines that divide Americans, but there is one aspect of this ongoing debate that is not controversial: According to a 2018 Gallup poll, only 28 percent of Americans believe that abortion should generally be legal in the second trimester. The poll found that only 13 percent of Americans believe that should be the case in the third trimester. Sadly, despite overwhelming national opposition, lawmakers' late-term abortion extremism is on the rise. On Jan 22, the governor of NY, Andrew Cuomo, ordered the Freedom Tower at the World Trade Center – a national landmark and the gravesite of thousands of Americans who lost their lives in the Sept 11 attacks – lit up in celebratory pink lights to mark what was deemed a special occasion: the passage of legislation rolling back protections for unborn children in the second and third trimester. Gov Cuomo had just signed legislation to expand the legality of abortions after 24 weeks and up to birth, repealing a previous restriction on the procedure unless needed to save the life of the mother. The NY State Senate gave passage of the legislation a standing ovation. In Virginia, Gov Ralph Northam last week defended a proposal that would also expand the legality of late-term abortions. Gov Northam was defending the law proposed in the Virginia House of Delegates that would legalize abortion at 40 weeks, allowing abortion at the end of the 3rd trimester even to the point of birth.
In his own word, Governor Northam, said during a radio interview on the topic: "When we talk about third-trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of obviously the mother, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician, by the way. And it's done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that's non-viable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother."
What exactly would the discussion entail while a baby is placed aside after being born alive?

The Virginia bill is so horrific that Del. Dawn Adams (D-Richmond), who had originally cosponsored the proposal, apologized to her constituents because she did not know at the time how far the proposal went. The NY and Virginia laws represent an effort that would victimize the most vulnerable of all people. At the same time, Democrats in Congress are pushing to repeal the Hyde Amendment, which ensures that federal taxpayer dollars cannot be used to pay for abortions.

This is EXACTLY the legislation that Trump was talking about, which I'm quite certain you wouldn't hear from WaPo, the NY Times, CNN, MSNBC, or The View.  But you can't tell me that the concerns and the many statements Trump made about late term and after-birth abortion weren't valid!

What's the next piece of **** you got that needs to be dispelled?

 
 

Zeets2 » 12 Jun 2024, 2:30 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 2:30 pm

I trust Gateway Punit far more than I would ANYTHING found in the WaPo, and the fact that you believe their **** so readily proves the kind of gullible liberal that you are, and that would include favoring the **** spewed on CNN, MSNBC, or The View, more than you would a source like Fox News.

Now getting down to cases, here's the PROOF of the claim made by Trump that allows both late term abortion and even abortion AFTER birth:

This is EXACTLY the legislation that Trump was talking about, which I'm quite certain you wouldn't hear from WaPo, the NY Times, CNN, MSNBC, or The View.  But you can't tell me that the concerns and the many statements Trump made about late term and after-birth abortion weren't valid!

What's the next piece of **** you got that needs to be dispelled?

nowhere does it say that the law allows anyone to "kill the baby after birth"

Is English your second language?

maineman » 12 Jun 2024, 1:51 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 1:51 pm

The Strategic Petroleum Reserve
Trump criticized President Joe Biden for releasing a large quantity of crude oil from the national Strategic Petroleum Reserve to try to keep prices down in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine – and Trump claimed that this is a reserve “I had a lot to do with filling up for the first time ever.” Trump added later in the interview, “He wanted to have low gas prices for an election. And now, we have nothing left.”

Facts First: Trump made two false claims here. First, contrary to his repeated assertions, it’s not true that he filled up the Strategic Petroleum Reserve; the reserve actually contained fewer barrels of crude oil when he left office in early 2021 than when he took office in 2017. Second, while the amount of crude in the reserve is at a 40-year low, it’s not even close to true that “we have nothing left” at present; the reserve remains the world’s largest even at its current level, with about 350.6 million barrels of crude as of the week ending September 8.

Here's one you missed @Zeets2  
 

maineman » 12 Jun 2024, 1:48 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 1:48 pm

Welker said to Trump, “If elected, you say you would order the Defense Department to use special forces to inflict maximum damage on drug cartels.” But Trump responded, “I didn’t say that. No. People said I said that.” He repeated, “I didn’t say that.”

Facts First: Trump said that. In a video he released in January, which remains on his website, he said that, if elected president again, “I will order the Department of Defense to make appropriate use of special forces, cyber-warfare, and other overt and covert actions to inflict maximum damage on cartel leadership, infrastructure and operations.”

@Zeets2  

missed this one, did you?

do try and keep up, please.

 

https://adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/

Gateway Pundit versus Washington Post?


               

Blackvegetable » 12 Jun 2024, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 12:27 pm

I don't see a link

You didn't have one either DICK SUCKER!!

**** in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first when you ask for a link!!

 
 

maineman » 12 Jun 2024, 2:40 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 2:40 pm

@Zeets2  

missed this one, did you?

do try and keep up, please.

That's your biggest fear, isn't it?
You know damn well that I'll be able to tear apart your ignorance of the statements you claim are lies, and that scares you to death!

So here is Trump's quote that you posted, where I highlighted the huge difference with the claim you made:

 “I will order the Department of Defense to make appropriate use of special forces, cyber-warfare, and other overt and covert actions to inflict maximum damage on cartel leadership, infrastructure and operations.”

Here's the statement the reporter claims he said:

Welker said to Trump, “If elected, you say you would order the Defense Department to use special forces to inflict maximum damage on drug cartels.” 

See the difference?  Stating he would MAKE APPROPRIATE USE OF virtually all the avenues open to him (including special forces) IS NOT THE SAME as stating he claimed to use ONLY special forces in the actions he plans.

That's how gullible you liberal fools are, to take a statement Trump makes and reduce it to a word or phrase that makes it sound worse than it is and changes the meaning.  It's called a LIBERAL LIE, something used throughout the WaPo **** claim of 30,000 Trump "lies"!
You're just too dumb to recognize it when it smacks you upside your own head!
 

Beekeeper » 12 Jun 2024, 2:54 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 2:54 pm

You didn't have one either DICK SUCKER!!

**** in one hand and wish in the other and see which one fills up first when you ask for a link!!

That piece of steaming garbage..

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/202 ... ed-websiteJACK POSOBIEC LINKS TO RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE-BACKED WEBSITE

See the link, *******?

Blackvegetable » 12 Jun 2024, 2:57 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 2:57 pm

See the link, *******?

SPLC??

Is this all you have?? A HARD LEFT WING LYING SACK OF NAZI **** organization??

You REALLY are desperate!!


The Southern Poverty Law Center is a discredited and scandal-ridden group that one of its own employees described as “a highly profitable scam,” and which has been lambasted by progressives as “everything that’s wrong with liberalism.”

 In the mid-1980s, the SPLC made a conscious choice to become a fear mongering, money-raising machine, resulting in the resignation of its entire legal department in 1985.

 In time, the SPLC’s infamous “hate map” was born. The SPLC realized that the more “hate” they could gin up, the more money they could raise. Eventually, their definition of hate included huge swaths of well-respected, mainstream, conservative America. In truth, the only reason SPLC considers many of these groups to be “hate groups” is that they disagree with the SPLC on hot-button cultural issues.

 The SPLC’s problems run deeper than their extreme and intolerant ideology. Many former employees have exposed the SPLC’s internal culture as racist and sexist. Several leaders have been forced to resign in recent years, and even public relations experts brought in to repair the organization’s image have been mired in scandal.

 One former leadership official admitted that the group’s goal was not to productively engage with ideological opponents (the so-called “hate groups”), but to “destroy” them. Our society vitally needs institutions that will foster real dialogue on important issues. We can do better than the SPLC.

Setting the Record Straight | Alliance Defending Freedom (adflegal.org)
 

maineman » 12 Jun 2024, 2:40 pm » wrote: ↑

12 Jun 2024, 2:40 pm

@Zeets2  

missed this one, did you?

do try and keep up, please.

 

keeping up with reasonable doubt only takes reciting yesterday's behavior, tomorrow acting like evolving doesn't sustain eternal separation of your unique time adapting here now..