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The Coalition for Law, Order and Safety (CLOS) found true crime rates may be higher than FBI statistics show. CLOS points to "methodological and reporting problems" as the possible source of the discrepancy. 

 For example, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports a nearly 20% increase in homicides nationwide from 2019 to 2023, according to the researchers. Meanwhile, FBI data shows just an 8.3% increase.


 CLOS says the FBI’s data collection system has created challenges for law enforcement and contributed to lower crime reporting levels. The system is susceptible to data aggregation errors, according to the researchers.


https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world ... ark-morgan

*Huey » 04 Jul 2024, 11:34 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 11:34 am

The Coalition for Law, Order and Safety (CLOS) found true crime rates may be higher than FBI statistics show. CLOS points to "methodological and reporting problems" as the possible source of the discrepancy. 

 For example, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) reports a nearly 20% increase in homicides nationwide from 2019 to 2023, according to the researchers. Meanwhile, FBI data shows just an 8.3% increase.

 CLOS says the FBI’s data collection system has created challenges for law enforcement and contributed to lower crime reporting levels. The system is susceptible to data aggregation errors, according to the researchers.

https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world ... ark-morgan

Debunking.

may be higher

learn to read for comprehension.

Given that the new system was introduced in 2019, does that mean it is increasingly, or less, reliable today?

 

Blackvegetable » 04 Jul 2024, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 11:42 am

Debunking.

may be higher

learn to read for comprehension.

Given that the new system was introduced in 2019, does that mean it is increasingly, or less, reliable today?

Stop with the question and make your case.  

It was 2021.

These point were discusses previously:

That’s because fewer than 1 in 10 law enforcement agencies in his state had reported their crime statistics to the FBI. In fact, more than 40% of the Sunshine State’s population was unaccounted for in the data used by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement in its 2021 statewide crime report.In Wichita, Kansas, Democratic Mayor Brandon Whipple claimed in May that violent crime had decreased by half during his term. But Whipple’s source, the FBI’s Crime Data Explorer, missed half the violent crimes recorded by the Wichita Police Department, possibly because the agency couldn’t mesh its system with the FBI’s recently revamped system.Across the country, law enforcement agencies’ inability — or refusal — to send their annual crime data to the FBI has resulted in a distorted picture of the United States’ crime trends, according to a new Stateline analysis of the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting program participation data.
And:That’s partly because the FBI had rolled out a new reporting system. The data collection system, called the National Incident-Based Reporting System, or NIBRS, gathered more detail on individual incidents but also required training and tech upgrades by state and local policing agencies.

 For the first time in two decades, the national law enforcement reporting rate fell below 70% in 2021, primarily due to the FBI’s transition. In 2022, many law enforcement agencies across the country were not NIBRS-certified in time to submit their 2021 crime data, which contributed to lower reporting rates.

 Even before the new system launched, there was a gap in reporting nationwide. Prior to 2021, 23% of U.S. law enforcement agencies on average did not report any crime data to the FBI. In 2020, 24% of agencies did not report, and in 2021, it surged to 40%.

https://virginiamercury.com/2023/10/31/ ... gh%20NIBRS.

I got more

Blackvegetable » 04 Jul 2024, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 11:42 am

Debunking.

may be higher

learn to read for comprehension.

Given that the new system was introduced in 2019, does that mean it is increasingly, or less, reliable today?

From my second source:

Prior to 2021, 23% of U.S. law enforcement agencies on average did not report any crime data to the FBI. In 2020, 24% of agencies did not report, and in 2021, it surged to 40%.

Whacha got?

Blackvegetable » 04 Jul 2024, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 11:42 am

Debunking.

may be higher

learn to read for comprehension.

Given that the new system was introduced in 2019, does that mean it is increasingly, or less, reliable today?

2nd source:Florida, Illinois, Louisiana and West Virginia, for example, all remain below the 50% reporting mark, which means less than half of the police departments in their states submitted 2022 crime data to the FBI. Despite these reporting rates, the data shows that greater shares of these state’s populations were represented in last year’s data than in 2021.

 Florida has had the lowest reporting rate two years in a row — 6% in 2021 and 44% in 2022 — partly because of the state’s ongoing transition to NIBRS. For 2021, the FBI did not accept Florida’s data through the previous data collection system, which would have represented about 58% of the state’s population, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement’s Public Information Office.

Whacha Got?

*Huey » 04 Jul 2024, 11:52 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 11:52 am

2nd source:Florida, Illinois, Louisiana and West Virginia, for example, all remain below the 50% reporting mark, which means less than half of the police departments in their states submitted 2022 crime data to the FBI. Despite these reporting rates, the data shows that greater shares of these state’s populations were represented in last year’s data than in 2021.

 Florida has had the lowest reporting rate two years in a row — 6% in 2021 and 44% in 2022 — partly because of the state’s ongoing transition to NIBRS. For 2021, the FBI did not accept Florida’s data through the previous data collection system, which would have represented about 58% of the state’s population, according to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement’s Public Information Office.

Whacha Got?

I've got you making my case, dumb ***

Blackvegetable » 04 Jul 2024, 11:54 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 11:54 am

I've got you making my case, dumb ***

And your case is what?

That crime has decreased.  

My case is the numbers being used are not complete.  When you have that many jurisdictions NOT reporting the number are going to be low.

Your turn.  Let's see some facts, Askholio.

*Huey » 04 Jul 2024, 11:57 am » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 11:57 am

And your case is what?

That crime has decreased.  

My case is the numbers being used are not complete.  When you have that many jurisdictions NOT reporting the number are going to be low.

Your turn.  Let's see some facts, Askholio.

Stop being stupid.

The data has become INCREASINGLY reliable since 2019...

So if it shows a decline we have even more reason to believe crime is falling.

THREAD FAIL!

Blackvegetable » 04 Jul 2024, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 12:25 pm

Stop being stupid.

The data has become INCREASINGLY reliable since 2019...

So if it shows a decline we have even more reason to believe crime is falling.

No, it hasn't,  And you show you do not read citations.  The new system began in 2021. 

I suggest you read it.  You now look even more foolish

@Vegas   this guy certainly is an idiot.
 

*Huey » 04 Jul 2024, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 12:32 pm

No, it hasn't,  And you show you do not read citations.  The new system began in 2021. 

I suggest you read it.  You now look even more foolish

@Vegas   this guy certainly is an idiot.

As of October 31, 2020, 8,742 law enforcement agencies representing 48.9 percent of the population were reporting NIBRS data to the UCR program

any chance you'll admit you were wrong....again?

Blackvegetable » 04 Jul 2024, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 12:25 pm

Stop being stupid.

The data has become INCREASINGLY reliable since 2019...

So if it shows a decline we have even more reason to believe crime is falling.

Increasingly reliable?
Damn, you can post some stupid ****.

RebelGator » 04 Jul 2024, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 12:37 pm

Increasingly reliable?
Damn, you can post some stupid ****.

**** off, idiot.

Blackvegetable » 04 Jul 2024, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 12:25 pm

Stop being stupid.

The data has become INCREASINGLY reliable since 2019...

So if it shows a decline we have even more reason to believe crime is falling.

 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B885n08hOmw

Blackvegetable » 04 Jul 2024, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 12:37 pm

any chance you'll admit you were wrong....again?

Your words:

As of October 31, 2020, 8,742 law enforcement agencies representing 48.9 percent of the population were reporting NIBRS data to the UCR program

That is not the new system.

The FBI transitioned to a new data collection system called NIBRS in 2021. The national reporting rate includes local law enforcement agencies that reported their data through either NIBRS or the FBI's previous data collection system. In 2021, the FBI exclusively accepted crime data through NIBRS.

I told you to read the **** sources, Mary.

any chance you'll admit you were wrong....again?

*Huey » 04 Jul 2024, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 12:32 pm

No, it hasn't,  And you show you do not read citations.  The new system began in 2021. 

I suggest you read it.  You now look even more foolish

@Vegas   this guy certainly is an idiot.

Dumbest **** Alive.


"LOOK, VEGAS....I'M A MORON.....WHEEEEEE!"

RebelGator » 04 Jul 2024, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 12:37 pm

Increasingly reliable?
Damn, you can post some stupid ****.

That's putting it mildly...
 

Blackvegetable » 04 Jul 2024, 12:42 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 12:42 pm

Dumbest **** Alive.

"LOOK, VEGAS....I'M A MORON.....WHEEEEEE!"

O, my, this is embarrassing for you.
Your citation is citing 2020 numbers, moron.  The new system didn't start until Oct 2021.  I told you to read the citations.

any chance you'll admit you were wrong....again?

*Huey » 04 Jul 2024, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 12:44 pm

O, my, this is embarrassing for you.
Your citation is citing 2020 numbers, moron.  The new system didn't start until Oct 2021.  I told you to read the citations.

please **** stop.
 

Blackvegetable » 04 Jul 2024, 12:45 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Jul 2024, 12:45 pm

please **** stop.

Let me show you again.  Wait for it.