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Vance has been critical of US support for Ukraine, and at the Munich Security Forum earlier this year, Vance said the US should "pivot" from Ukraine and Russia's war."I certainly admire the Ukrainians who are fighting against Russia," he said during a speech in May, "but I do not think that it is in America's interest to continue to fund an effectively never-ending war in Ukraine."One European official told The Wall Street Journal that with the news of Trump's new running mate, "Ukraine is in trouble," while another official told the Guardian that "it's bad for us, but it's terrible news for [Ukraine]."Worries have also been voiced domestically. Following Vance's nomination, former Rep. Liz Cheney raised several concerns about Vance and criticized his stance on Ukraine and wrote on X that if he were elected, he would "capitulate to Russia and sacrifice the freedom of our allies in Ukraine." 

*Vegas » 18 Jul 2024, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2024, 12:03 pm

Thank God. Had we not gotten involved, this war would have been over within a month from when it began. Thousands of lives would have been saved. We have no interest there. Zelenskyy has swindled America out of billions. He is easily one of the most corrupt world leaders in history. 

Then again, it's tradition for America to support corruption. An obvious and blatant example is America's for Israel. 

Trump's pick for running mate, JD Vance, is stirring new fears the US could abandon Ukraine if they win the election (msn.com)

*Vegas » 18 Jul 2024, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2024, 12:03 pm

Thank God. Had we not gotten involved, this war would have been over within a month from when it began. Thousands of lives would have been saved. We have no interest there. Zelenskyy has swindled America out of billions. He is easily one of the most corrupt world leaders in history. 

Then again, it's tradition for America to support corruption. An obvious and blatant example is America's for Israel. 

Trump's pick for running mate, JD Vance, is stirring new fears the US could abandon Ukraine if they win the election (msn.com)

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*Vegas » 18 Jul 2024, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2024, 12:03 pm

Thank God. Had we not gotten involved, this war would have been over within a month from when it began. Thousands of lives would have been saved. We have no interest there. Zelenskyy has swindled America out of billions. He is easily one of the most corrupt world leaders in history. 

Then again, it's tradition for America to support corruption. An obvious and blatant example is America's for Israel. 

Trump's pick for running mate, JD Vance, is stirring new fears the US could abandon Ukraine if they win the election (msn.com)

ConservativeWave » 18 Jul 2024, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2024, 2:21 pm

Not sure about all of that... AND I don't think Trump is going to take us OUT, without a "Trump approved deal"... which MAY not be much better for Russia, than total surrender.  My thinking... something along the lines of:

1)  Russia abandons the western portions of Ukraine and Crimea, they keep the eastern provinces, and Ukraine becomes a member of NATO.... Russian agressin will NOT come without a price !

If Russia says NO?

2)  The war continues, Ukraine gets MORE F16's, MORE ATACMS missiles, and newer generation US armaments in general, AND, there are NO Restrictions/Limitations on NATO weapons (they can attack into Russia if required) ... Ukraine will be approved to attain air superiority over Ukraine, and the NATO expects that Russia will be FORCED to withdraw from ALL invaded Ukraine lands within a year... CONCURRENTLY... NATO will encourage Belarus, and Khalinin grad to secede from the Russian Confederation, and will help them however possible... AND, use of Nuclear weapons against Ukraine will result in IMMEDIATE NATO involvement in forcably removing Russia from Ukraine...

SO, which would YOU do if you were Russia... REMEMBER this from the guy who said he would destroy ISIS within a year... and destroyed them in 6 months... when Barack Obama essentially said they were here to stay!  THEY were NOT !!

And NEITHER is RUSSIA !  I think the BIGGEST problem with Joe Biden... is HE thinks about Ukraine as a perpetual war, where Democrats can continue get Billions of $$$ approved, and use it as a marker for Ukraine to buy more US Military Arms, and it might go on for YEARS... Trump will get it done, and get it DONE FAST !!

*Vegas » 18 Jul 2024, 12:03 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jul 2024, 12:03 pm

Thank God. Had we not gotten involved, this war would have been over within a month from when it began. Thousands of lives would have been saved. We have no interest there. Zelenskyy has swindled America out of billions. He is easily one of the most corrupt world leaders in history. 

Then again, it's tradition for America to support corruption. An obvious and blatant example is America's for Israel. 

Trump's pick for running mate, JD Vance, is stirring new fears the US could abandon Ukraine if they win the election (msn.com)