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Insufficient industry, readiness, innovation,
and funding hamper military’s ability
to prevail in conflict, key experts find.

 “Unclassified public wargames suggest that, in a conflict with China, the United States
would largely exhaust its munitions inventories in as few as three to four weeks,
with some important munitions (e.g., anti-ship missiles) lasting only a few days.   

The U.S. military “lacks both the capabilities and the capacity required to be confident
it can deter and prevail in combat,” in the judgment of a congressional commission.  

One of the reasons they came to that conclusion is the current state of the
U.S. defense industrial base compared to China’s.  

The US might lose a war with China, congressional commission says - Defense One
 
 

Out of ammo

in 3-4 weeks? Holy ****.

No wonder Ukraine is losing so badly.

Sumela » 31 Jul 2024, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2024, 1:50 pm

Insufficient industry, readiness, innovation,
and funding hamper military’s ability
to prevail in conflict, key experts find.

 “Unclassified public wargames suggest that, in a conflict with China, the United States
would largely exhaust its munitions inventories in as few as three to four weeks,
with some important munitions (e.g., anti-ship missiles) lasting only a few days.   

The U.S. military “lacks both the capabilities and the capacity required to be confident
it can deter and prevail in combat,” in the judgment of a congressional commission.  

One of the reasons they came to that conclusion is the current state of the
U.S. defense industrial base compared to China’s.  

The US might lose a war with China, congressional commission says - Defense One

If the usa had a war where more than like 10 people died, how on earth would they find recruits anyway? Boomers are too old, and I don't think anyone else would be willing to fight an actual war for the usa.

FOS » 31 Jul 2024, 1:56 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2024, 1:56 pm

If the usa had a war where more than like 10 people died, how on earth would they find recruits anyway? Boomers are too old, and I don't think anyone else would be willing to fight an actual war for the usa.

Agreed sir. 
Recruitment is WAY done.
The Trannyfication of the military has turned millions away.
The Uke war has exposed the embarrassing state of US industrial capacity.
China is 8,000 miles away.  The logistics alone would crush the US.

It is all very funny to me.
 

Circle jerk Hate America thread....Obama is that you?

Sumela » 31 Jul 2024, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2024, 1:50 pm

Insufficient industry, readiness, innovation,
and funding hamper military’s ability
to prevail in conflict, key experts find.

 “Unclassified public wargames suggest that, in a conflict with China, the United States
would largely exhaust its munitions inventories in as few as three to four weeks,
with some important munitions (e.g., anti-ship missiles) lasting only a few days.   

The U.S. military “lacks both the capabilities and the capacity required to be confident
it can deter and prevail in combat,” in the judgment of a congressional commission.  

One of the reasons they came to that conclusion is the current state of the
U.S. defense industrial base compared to China’s.  

The US might lose a war with China, congressional commission says - Defense One

We do spend a lot for not having anything...

What are we buying anyway?

FOS » 31 Jul 2024, 1:56 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2024, 1:56 pm

If the usa had a war where more than like 10 people died, how on earth would they find recruits anyway? Boomers are too old, and I don't think anyone else would be willing to fight an actual war for the usa.

Right?

I mean, WHY? Cuz freedom? lol
 

DeezerShoove » 01 Aug 2024, 5:52 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2024, 5:52 pm

We do spend a lot for not having anything...

What are we buying anyway?

Cartier only - which doesn't do much in a skreet fight.

We're ready for anything except peer or near-peer conflict. Then we're ****. 

But we can still **** on tribals. You will notice that Grenada isn't trying to murder our freedoms anymore. They learned.
 

Sumela » 31 Jul 2024, 1:54 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2024, 1:54 pm

Out of ammo

in 3-4 weeks? Holy ****.

No wonder Ukraine is losing so badly.

China can try. 

We have the most modern militiary in history. 

The largest military in history. 

The best military in the world. 
 

America is the best ever.
no comparisons in the world. 


The U.S navy would block of imports to China which is most of their economy. 

It would be starved of resources in the first few days of the war. 


It's not even close. 
 

Bidencrimefamily » 01 Aug 2024, 6:01 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2024, 6:01 pm

China can try. 

We have the most modern militiary in history. 

The largest military in history. 

The best military in the world. 

America is the best ever.
no comparisons in the world. 

The U.S navy would block of imports to China which is most of their economy. 

It would be starved of resources in the first few days of the war. 

It's not even close.

HAHAHAHA    

Neocons are HIGH-LARIOUS  
 

DeezerShoove » 01 Aug 2024, 5:52 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2024, 5:52 pm

We do spend a lot for not having anything...

What are we buying anyway?

Buying?  

Any decades long trillion$$$ project that
the MIC presents to congress cuckies.

The result of profit over purpose.  Oh, and arrogance.
 

Sumela » 01 Aug 2024, 8:11 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2024, 8:11 pm

Buying?  

Any decades long trillion$$$ project that
the MIC presents to congress cuckies.

The result of profit over purpose.  Oh, and arrogance.

We must have tons of **** in the back room then...

Cannonpointer » 01 Aug 2024, 6:00 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2024, 6:00 pm

Cartier only - which doesn't do much in a skreet fight.

We're ready for anything except peer or near-peer conflict. Then we're ****. 

But we can still **** on tribals. You will notice that Grenada isn't trying to murder our freedoms anymore. They learned.

Well, those **** deserved it. Being all aloof and separate on their island...


On a more serious note:
My thought is once cornered in the kitchen, a little raccoon will tear you the **** up.
Might even win the fight and make it out unharmed...

America may learn a scary lesson soon, but ****'s gonna get **** up...

DeezerShoove » 01 Aug 2024, 8:41 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2024, 8:41 pm

Well, those **** deserved it. Being all aloof and separate on their island...

On a more serious note:
My thought is once cornered in the kitchen, a little raccoon will tear you the **** up.
Might even win the fight and make it out unharmed...

America may learn a scary lesson soon, but ****'s gonna get **** up...

The thing is, people fight differently when the fight, for them, is existential. 

And be assured, many countries consider being forced to play the pervert and trans game an existential threat. 
 

DeezerShoove » 01 Aug 2024, 8:36 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2024, 8:36 pm

We must have tons of **** in the back room then...

Prolly lots of fancy gadgets.  Things you spend billions on when fighting camels in the sand.

The issue with the AMMO production is the devil in the details.  This issue has been consistently across
all news spectrums/sources/bents for 2 years.  The West lost its industrial capacity by allowing our
sacred kristHun Capitalists (donor class) to freely chase profits overseas. 

Plus 'they' expected Russia to fold in 2-3 months - Biden promised this....
....that was 30 months ago  

Perfect Storms are glorious.
 

Sumela » 01 Aug 2024, 8:53 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2024, 8:53 pm

Prolly lots of fancy gadgets.  Things you spend billions on when fighting camels in the sand.

The issue with the AMMO production is the devil in the details.  This issue has been consistently across
all news spectrums/sources/bents for 2 years.  The West lost its industrial capacity by allowing our
sacred kristHun Capitalists (donor class) to freely chase profits overseas. 

Plus 'they' expected Russia to fold in 2-3 months - Biden promised this....
....that was 30 months ago  

Perfect Storms are glorious.

We saps in the automobile manufacturing sector have watched SO much **** go abroad.
I have watched literally dozens of small and large machine shops and prototype builders go under.
It is frightening.

That's just my personal experience. One person. The total number is most likely staggering.

Cannonpointer » 01 Aug 2024, 8:46 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2024, 8:46 pm

The thing is, people fight differently when the fight, for them, is existential. 

And be assured, many countries consider being forced to play the pervert and trans game an existential threat.

Just as we will when our scary lesson begins.
Things will auto-reprioritize.  

Sumela » 31 Jul 2024, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jul 2024, 1:50 pm

Insufficient industry, readiness, innovation,
and funding hamper military’s ability
to prevail in conflict, key experts find.

 “Unclassified public wargames suggest that, in a conflict with China, the United States
would largely exhaust its munitions inventories in as few as three to four weeks,
with some important munitions (e.g., anti-ship missiles) lasting only a few days.   

The U.S. military “lacks both the capabilities and the capacity required to be confident
it can deter and prevail in combat,” in the judgment of a congressional commission.  

One of the reasons they came to that conclusion is the current state of the
U.S. defense industrial base compared to China’s.  

The US might lose a war with China, congressional commission says - Defense One

They are just trying to hype you up for more money to the industrial complex. 
 

Hank » 01 Aug 2024, 9:11 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2024, 9:11 pm

They are just trying to hype you up for more money to the industrial complex.

It doesn't much matter how much money we spend, because the WAY the money will be spent is determined by supply side, not demand side. 

The MIC occupies congress and the pentagon. And the MIC wants to make and sell what profits IT the most, not what profits the COUNTRY. 

And the same is true in every NATO nation. 

Russia and China OWN their armaments industries, and they are instructed by their nations' war cabinets - not by a wholly owned subsidiary called the pentagon - what to produce. 

As a result, their war making money is wisely and usefully spent. Less buys more. Our is unwisely and foolishly spent. Doubling or tripling it will double or triple the MIC's profits, but it will not change our readiness. 

The enemy is not at the gate. The enemy is within. And he wears a tiny hat, and he has already feathered another nest against the day that this one goes to **** from his parasitism. 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 01 Aug 2024, 9:20 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Aug 2024, 9:20 pm

It doesn't much matter how much money we spend, because the WAY the money will be spent is determined by supply side, not demand side. 

The MIC occupies congress and the pentagon. And the MIC wants to make and sell what profits IT the most, not what profits the COUNTRY. 

And the same is true in every NATO nation. 

Russia and China OWN their armaments industries, and they are instructed by their nations' war cabinets - not by a wholly owned subsidiary called the pentagon - what to produce. 

As a result, their war making money is wisely and usefully spent. Less buys more. Our is unwisely and foolishly spent. Doubling or tripling it will double or triple the MIC's profits, but it will not change our readiness. 

The enemy is not at the gate. The enemy is within. And he wears a tiny hat, and he has already feathered another nest against the day that this one goes to **** from his parasitism.

^^^