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Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2024, 8:36 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 8:36 am

Thank you for that bit of revisionist narrative.

Of what, exactly, did they vote in favor?
 

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2024, 9:09 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 9:09 am

So it gave Scrub the discretion he requested.

Then he used his discretion to do what he wanted.

For which JD now blames "the foreign policy establishment".

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2024, 9:11 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 9:11 am

What did I suggest he did at 16?

*rippy38 » 05 Aug 2024, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 8:45 am

1) The Iraq war happened because all but 1 Democrat joined Republicans and voted for it.

2) Every single politician that voted for it is responsible for it, and that includes Joe Biden and Hilary Clinton, your last two votes for president.

3) JD Vance was 18 or 19 when the war started, and was 20 or 21 when he did his tour there.  

You're welcome.

JuCo 5 percenter... “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA "Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?

*rippy38 » 05 Aug 2024, 8:48 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 8:48 am

Don't you have some ancestrial division to take care of or something?

JuCo 5 percenter... “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA "Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2024, 9:07 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 9:07 am

And?

JuCo 5 percenter... “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime” ~ LAVRENTIY BERIA "Try to get past your passionate ignorance and learn to accept what actually happened." ~ brown's unheeded words of wisdom If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2024, 8:05 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 8:05 am

He lamented how those who were “the most wrong” about Iraq “suffered no consequences.” The U.S. foreign policy establishment, he asserted, “has learned zero lessons from what is perhaps the most unforced and catastrophic error in the history of this country.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/election ... nes-trump/

what is it with slack jaws refusing to own the consequences of their credulity?

Iraqnam didn't happen "because foreign policy establishment". It happened because Scrub and Snarlin' Dick WANTED it to happen, for the most craven reasons imaginable....to improve their prospects for a 2nd term.

Those who opposed Iraqnam were labeled "traitors" and "Saddam lovers" by protoMAGAts, like JD.

Now JD shunts responsibility for it, and points the finger at a group that largely opposed the invasion....AT THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION.

Because "Kumbaya Grifty"..

We need to make America Slack Jaw-rein. It's quite apparent that Slack Jaw can't be cured.

*Huey » 05 Aug 2024, 9:14 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 9:14 am

Actually, in 2002, as I posted, there was another resolution specific to Iraq.  

JD, Kamala, Biden, you, etc can blame whomever you wish. It was 20 years ago.  He was not involved in the politics of it.

Cedar » 05 Aug 2024, 9:15 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 9:15 am

“JD shunts responsibility“

Apparantly you suggested that he somehow bears responsibility for the Iraq war.

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2024, 9:56 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 9:56 am

Anyone who inveighed against objections to the Scrub **** should not be pointing fingers.

I bet you were among them.

Cedar » 05 Aug 2024, 9:59 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 9:59 am

I’m a classical liberal, wars aren’t our thing. Try again.

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2024, 10:01 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 10:01 am

For whom did you vote in 2000 & 2004?

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2024, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 9:47 am

What did I say he did?

Learn to read....never presume to offer history lessons.

Interesting day—
NSC mtg. with President—
As [it] ended he asked to see me alone…
After the meeting ended I went to Oval Office—He was alone
He was at his desk—
He talked about the meet
Then he said I want you to develop a plan to invade Ir[aq]. Do it outside the normal channels. Do it creatively so we don’t have to take so much cover [?]Then he said Dick [Cheney] told me about your son—I broke down and cried. I couldn’t speak—
said I love him so much
He said I can’t imagine the burden you are carrying for the country and your son—
He said much more.
Stood and hugged me
An amazing day—
He is a fine human being—
I am so grateful he is President.
I am proud to be working for him.
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2013/1 ... ences-now/

*Huey » 05 Aug 2024, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 10:13 am

That doesn't have dick to do with JD Vance.

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2024, 10:14 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 10:14 am

Whom does Vance hold responsible for Iraqnam?

It's right in the OP.

*Huey » 05 Aug 2024, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 10:20 am

Sorry, Askholio, if you have a point to make go ahead and make.  As you would say, it is not relevant.

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2024, 8:37 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 8:37 am

List three facts from that jive.

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2024, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 10:21 am

I made it in the OP.

You should read it.

Blackvegetable » 05 Aug 2024, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2024, 10:21 am

I made it in the OP.

You should read it.
 

 

Now JD shunts responsibility for it, and points the finger at a group that largely opposed the invasion....AT THE HERITAGE FOUNDATION.