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Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims — 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews.“I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in a Jan. 31 interview. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”   

 https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.c ... istorians/
 

Independence » 10 Sep 2024, 1:04 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 1:04 am

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Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims — 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews.“I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in a Jan. 31 interview. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”   

 https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.c ... istorians/

There were only about 505,000 Jews in Germany in 1933.
And about 37,000 got out before the ****.

No doubt they suffered some really terrible events.
But, it's hard to stay on their side when they're spewing ****.
 

So no one weeps for the poor Ukrainians? The HOLOMODOR!
https://youtu.be/8J1A7ljkyHA
 

Independence » 10 Sep 2024, 1:04 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 1:04 am

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Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims — 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews.“I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in a Jan. 31 interview. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”   

 https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.c ... istorians/

Jews can't be trusted. I don't believe they were put in any ovens. Too many inconsistencies in impossibilities. Maybe lined up and shot, but I don't think it was played out the way the narrative claimed. 

*Vegas » 10 Sep 2024, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 1:15 pm

Jews can't be trusted. I don't believe they were put in any ovens. Too many inconsistencies in impossibilities. Maybe lined up and shot, but I don't think it was played out the way the narrative claimed.

I've seen the ovens, the elevators, the hooks on trolleys, pics and effects...sobering at best...
 

ROG62 » 10 Sep 2024, 1:24 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 1:24 pm

I've seen the ovens, the elevators, the hooks on trolleys, pics and effects...sobering at best...

I know those are the ovens they say they used. However, it would have been impossible those crematories to burn 4500 corpses per day as the narrative suggests. Not in those things. 

In today's crematories, the cremation of only one body takes 2 to 3 hrs. They are claiming that they could fit 800 to 1200 bodies in one crematorium. The math doesn't add up. They didn't have the technology back then to pull that off. 

*Vegas » 10 Sep 2024, 1:35 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 1:35 pm

I know those are the ovens they say they used. However, it would have been impossible those crematories to burn 4500 corpses per day as the narrative suggests. Not in those things. 

In today's crematories, the cremation of only one body takes 2 to 3 hrs. They are claiming that they could fit 800 to 1200 bodies in one crematorium. The math doesn't add up. They didn't have the technology back then to pull that off.

The tech doesn't exist today in a practical way.  In other words, it doesn't exist because no one ever had any use for it.

Germans wanted to deport jews.  If they had wanted to kill them all, then they would have.  But they did not.
 

ROG62 » 10 Sep 2024, 1:24 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 1:24 pm

I've seen the ovens, the elevators, the hooks on trolleys, pics and effects...sobering at best...

There was never anything substantial like that.

There were many falsities and even downright lies about what happened. I am actually curious about why this is so exaggerated when it was bad enough to begin with.

There once were stories about Jews being made into lampshades. This was patently false. There was one woman the prosecution attempted to link to the lampshades, but that was readily dismissed by prosecutors.

There was another silly story about making soap out of the fat of Jews. This was also debunked. Another outlier. You can't make soap from humans.

One of the more ridiculous stories concerned roller coasters dumping Jews into gas chambers

Book: Inside the Concentration Camps: Eyewitness Accounts of Life in Hitler's Death Camps

"800 to 900 yards from the place where the ovens were, the prisoners were squeezed into little cars that ran on rails. In Auschwitz these cars had various dimensions and could hold up to 15 people. As soon as a car was loaded, it would be set in motion on an inclined plane that traveled at full speed down a corridor. At the end of the corridor there was a wall, and in the wall was the door to the oven. As soon as the car hit the wall, the door opened automatically, and the car would dip forward and pitch its cargo of living people into the oven. Right behind it came another car with another load and so on."

 
 

These stories were once accepted, but then debunked. How did they get debunked? Someone must first question them. Then, there is investigation. Evidence is gathered. A conclusion is reached. A theory is debunked.

Today, there is evidence that the Nazis did not intentionally build gas chambers for the express purpose of gassing victims to death. Evidence surfaced that the gas chambers were actually delousing stations. Lice was rampant in the labor camps, so new arrivals were immediately sent into one of these buildings. Many got sick from the poison and even died. It goes without saying that this is horrible, so why the need to exaggerate something that was so terrible to begin with?

Everything was chaotic by war's end.  Infrastructure and food supply was ravaged.  The German army and people were just trying to feed themselves and tend to their own medical needs.  POWs and labor campers were not priority.  This is what the US military saw when entering the camps.
 

Independence » 10 Sep 2024, 2:51 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 2:51 pm

There was never anything substantial like that.

So I imagined it?             
 

*Vegas » 10 Sep 2024, 1:35 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 1:35 pm

I know those are the ovens they say they used. However, it would have been impossible those crematories to burn 4500 corpses per day as the narrative suggests. Not in those things. 

In today's crematories, the cremation of only one body takes 2 to 3 hrs. They are claiming that they could fit 800 to 1200 bodies in one crematorium. The math doesn't add up. They didn't have the technology back then to pull that off.

which is more than likely true...which is why mass graves were used...

hitler did the world a great service

He killed hitler

ROG62 » 10 Sep 2024, 5:54 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 5:54 pm

So I imagined it?           

Ooo, pics!     

Mrkelly » 10 Sep 2024, 6:11 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 6:11 pm

hitler did the world a great service

He killed hitler

Right, because no one should stick up for himself or others.     
 

Beakman » 10 Sep 2024, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 1:11 pm

So no one weeps for the poor Ukrainians? The HOLOMODOR!
https://youtu.be/8J1A7ljkyHA

****** made an industry of their "holocaust."

DeezerShoove » 10 Sep 2024, 7:01 am » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 7:01 am

There were only about 505,000 Jews in Germany in 1933.
And about 37,000 got out before the ****.

No doubt they suffered some really terrible events.
But, it's hard to stay on their side when they're spewing ****.

The U.S. imprisoned japs from south america. We bullied nations there to round them up for us. 

The jappo ex-president of peru, Alberto Kenya Fujimori Inomoto (now in his 90s), spent part of his youth in an American concentration camp, even though he had never lived here. Likewise, the Germans rounded up jews from France and Poland and other parts of eastern and southern europe. 

The holy coast IS **** - but not because Germany couldn't get their hands on that many jews. It's **** because it's ****. The jews make up that 6 million number every few generations. 
 
 

ROG62 » 10 Sep 2024, 1:24 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 1:24 pm

I've seen the ovens, the elevators, the hooks on trolleys, pics and effects...sobering at best...

The math on those ovens is in. Incinerating a human body takes hours. The aughts don't carry on the lie - which explains why every time someone does the math, they revise history to make ANOTHER camp a "death camp." They started with two - auschwitz and treblinka. At this point, anywhere a German spent a weekend is a "death camp."

Independence » 10 Sep 2024, 2:53 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Sep 2024, 2:53 pm

There were many falsities and even downright lies about what happened. I am actually curious about why this is so exaggerated when it was bad enough to begin with.
 

So that our masters can never be exposed.

The people in charge can never be criticized.