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How long will it be before China and Russia learn how to blow up their foes’ gadgets, asks one pundit, exposing the West’s collective delusion

On September 17, Israel launched one of the largest and cruelest terrorist attacks in modern history. For Lebanon and Syria, the victim countries, 9/17 will now have a meaning akin to that of 9/11 in the US. That date will be remembered for a very long time, and beyond those two states, as the start of two waves of explosions, mostly affecting pagers on the first day and walkie-talkies the following day. There have been reports of other everyday objects, such as laptops and tablets as well as solar energy systems blowing up as well.While some details are still murky, we already know that the attacks were devastating: According to an Amnesty International summary from September 20, more than 2,931 victims were injured and at least 37 were killed. Amnesty International tends to be cautious and conservative with its figures, and it is still too early for a full assessment of casualties and damage. It is certain that the final count will be worse.Events are moving fast. The onslaught seems to have served to either provoke or start a larger war; UN General Secretary António Guterres quickly – and plausibly – suspected that 9/17 was meant as a preventive strike and prelude to a larger escalation. It has been followed by more and increasingly brutal bombings and massacres, in the manner that we know so well from the rogue state Israel. For now, it is already clear that after a horrific scene of mass terror in shops, streets, and homes, many of the victims of 9/17 have been injured severely, often leaving them with “life-changing injuries.” 

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An ophthalmologist at Mount Lebanon University Hospital in Beirut told us 60 to 70 percent of his patients “had to have at least one eye removed. [For] some of the patients, we had to remove both eyes. It kills me. In my past 25 years of practice, I’ve never removed as many eyes.”

Israel, the perpetrator regime, has done what it always does, namely release a barrage of lies. The first step, as so often, has been to boast of its crime without, however, officially admitting it. Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, a chief genocidaire in the Gaza slaughter, has spoken of a “new era” of war with Lebanon and extolled the “excellent achievements” of the Israeli intelligence services. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Get it, get it? By the way, that is a technique that Western propagandists just love to ascribe to Russia. Yet it’s as Israeli as (stolen) shakshuka and (authentically Zionist) ethnic cleansing. But that’s okay in the West. Because – Israel.

Israeli politicians, propagandists, and many cut-outs and useful idiots in the West claim that this was a legitimate intelligence operation to strike at Hezbollah, the resistance organization and political party based in Lebanon with which Israel is, in effect, at war. In reality, things are as clear as can be: Using civilian devices in this manner is a war crime.

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Legally, two points are decisive as well as incontrovertible: First, Hezbollah is both a military and a civilian organization. Under International Humanitarian Law (IHL), which applies here without a doubt, only those Hezbollah members serving in a military capacity are combatants. All others are and remain civilians, who have and retain a right to protection – obviously also during armed conflict because (duh…) armed conflict is what IHL is all about. Amnesty International has found evidence that the exploding devices of 9/17 had indeed been distributed to members of Hezbollah’s civilian offices, too, as was perfectly expectable for the Israeli perpetrators.

Second, 9/17 was, in any case, fundamentally criminal because, as Amnesty International has explained, it was “indiscriminate […] according to” IHL as “those who planned and carried out these attacks could not verify who would be harmed when the devices exploded, or even if only fighters had been given them.” Indeed, booby-traps spread throughout a civilian population – yes, even while perhaps in immediate possession of a Hezbollah member – are “inherently indiscriminate,” as one expert has put it. That is also why booby-trapping things that are generally associated with civilian use – such as pagers, which are not, obviously, tanks or trenches – is explicitly forbidden by the 1996 Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Mines, Booby-Traps, and Other Devices, a United Nations treaty.

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Against this background, Western Israel apologists have bent over backwards to spin 9/17. Indeed, this time they are doing overtime, not only downplaying and justifying brazen Israeli criminality as usual but also celebrating it as exemplary and clever (Ironically, dwelling on the stereotypical “cleverness” of Jews is a classic anti-Semitic prejudice, but let’s not dwell on that.) The Wall Street Journal editorial board has framed 9/17 as an example of Israel’s “remarkable” abilities. As if being bankrolled and protected by the US is a skill set. For the reliably warmongering British outlet The Telegraph, the attack was “audacious.” Interesting: how? Did the perpetrators show their face for an open fight? The Bild, a powerful, ultra-Zionist German yellow press outlet from the right-wing Springer group, admired the “almost movie-like spy thriller” behind the operation, that is, the criminal infiltration of civilian supply chains to plant explosives.

If you think that such comments are ever appropriate for a terror attack, try using them for the 9/11 assault on the US in 2001 instead of the 9/17 one on Lebanon and Syria now. See? Not funny, right?

Then there’s the more sophisticated and yet still completely misguided take. Writing for the Daily Mail, Mark Almond, not a stupid man, also felt he had to acknowledge how “spectacular” the “operation was on its own merits” and dwell on Israel’s “excelling” at this kind of “warfare.” That kind of “warfare” is criminal, and if Hezbollah had used it against Israel, Mark Almond would have found the correct word for it: terrorism. It is a principally wrong step to avoid facing or naming the true legal and ethical nature of an act of violence by focusing on how well it was executed, or, in Almond’s words, its “brutal ingeniousness.”

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It’s also, frankly, immature. It’s what young bro’ish boys do, when they admire a war criminal such as Nazi Otto Skorzeny because his glider landing on Gran Sasso mountain to snatch washed-out Mussolini must have looked just so damn commando cool. But a world of Israeli genocide and mass murder forbids such infantilism. In a sadly fitting manner, and quite perversely, Almond has not one word for civilians, except Israeli ones.

Almond, however, does see a real downside to Israel’s “sophisticated” attack nevertheless: He fears that its perpetrators may have miscalculated this time and, in essence, bitten off more than they can chew, inviting a backlash he compares with what happened to Japan after its – by the way, non-terrorist – attack on Pearl Harbor. Again, not a thought about Israel’s victims.

What’s the worst that could happen, according to Almond’s unfortunately typical Western mind? That the Israeli terrorists get some pain in return for the suffering of their victims which he has painstakingly made sure not to even mention. Not a word, either, about Lebanon’s or Syria’s right not to be attacked by a terrorist rogue regime next door. Not a word about their sovereignty or their governments’ right and duty to protect their citizens. If this isn’t a racist bias, I don’t know what is.

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And then, finally, it’s time for – you must see this coming by now – RUSSIA! Yes, Russia. Not that Almond has any factual reason to bring it up in this context. None at all. Strictly zero. But you see, when we talk about a horrific crime committed by, actually, Israel, but we can’t actually say that, then we talk about Russia. To be on the safe side, let’s add China, too. “How long before Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping,” Almond dramatically asks, “works out how to make millions of iPhones around the world burst into flames in the pockets of their foes?”

Holy Sigmund Freud! Displacement is a powerful force indeed. Yet here’s the thing: IF Moscow or Beijing wanted to do the same horrible things Israel routinely does, they easily could. There’s no issue of “working out” here. What Almond can’t face is that they simply are not like that. Israel is like that, criminal to the core, completely spoiled by decades of US-sponsored impunity, and addicted to underhanded violence and lying. It’s Israel that he supports with the absurd propaganda trick of talking about Russia and China instead of the state that has actually committed the crime and set the precedent he wants to warn about. The West is delusional. Clinically speaking.

https://www.rt.com/news/604491-israel-b ... s-lebanon/
 

Majik » 24 Sep 2024, 9:16 am » wrote: ↑

24 Sep 2024, 9:16 am

How long will it be before China and Russia learn how to blow up their foes’ gadgets, asks one pundit, exposing the West’s collective delusion

On September 17, Israel launched one of the largest and cruelest terrorist attacks in modern history. For Lebanon and Syria, the victim countries, 9/17 will now have a meaning akin to that of 9/11 in the US. That date will be remembered for a very long time, and beyond those two states, as the start of two waves of explosions, mostly affecting pagers on the first day and walkie-talkies the following day. There have been reports of other everyday objects, such as laptops and tablets as well as solar energy systems blowing up as well.While some details are still murky, we already know that the attacks were devastating: According to an Amnesty International summary from September 20, more than 2,931 victims were injured and at least 37 were killed. Amnesty International tends to be cautious and conservative with its figures, and it is still too early for a full assessment of casualties and damage. It is certain that the final count will be worse.Events are moving fast. The onslaught seems to have served to either provoke or start a larger war; UN General Secretary António Guterres quickly – and plausibly – suspected that 9/17 was meant as a preventive strike and prelude to a larger escalation. It has been followed by more and increasingly brutal bombings and massacres, in the manner that we know so well from the rogue state Israel. For now, it is already clear that after a horrific scene of mass terror in shops, streets, and homes, many of the victims of 9/17 have been injured severely, often leaving them with “life-changing injuries.” 

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Since when is killing those who are killing you considered a cruel attack?.....seriously!

Majik » 24 Sep 2024, 9:23 am » wrote: ↑

24 Sep 2024, 9:23 am

And then, finally, it’s time for – you must see this coming by now – RUSSIA! Yes, Russia. Not that Almond has any factual reason to bring it up in this context. None at all. Strictly zero. But you see, when we talk about a horrific crime committed by, actually, Israel, but we can’t actually say that, then we talk about Russia. To be on the safe side, let’s add China, too. “How long before Vladimir Putin or Xi Jinping,” Almond dramatically asks, “works out how to make millions of iPhones around the world burst into flames in the pockets of their foes?”

Holy Sigmund Freud! Displacement is a powerful force indeed. Yet here’s the thing: IF Moscow or Beijing wanted to do the same horrible things Israel routinely does, they easily could. There’s no issue of “working out” here. What Almond can’t face is that they simply are not like that. Israel is like that, criminal to the core, completely spoiled by decades of US-sponsored impunity, and addicted to underhanded violence and lying. It’s Israel that he supports with the absurd propaganda trick of talking about Russia and China instead of the state that has actually committed the crime and set the precedent he wants to warn about. The West is delusional. Clinically speaking.

https://www.rt.com/news/604491-israel-b ... s-lebanon/

There are already multiple stories about countries flocking to China/Russia

for phones, pagers, walkie talkies....as the world now knows for sure who

the REAL TERRORISTS are.......THE WEST - The Kid Cutters.   Another massive WEST backfire!    
 

nefarious101 » 24 Sep 2024, 9:37 am » wrote: ↑

24 Sep 2024, 9:37 am

Since when is killing those who are killing you considered a cruel attack?.....seriously!

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Angry and raging again....poor broken lil Neffy.


 

ISRAEL & WASH DC ========= TERRORISM, INC

Sumela » 24 Sep 2024, 9:44 am » wrote: ↑

24 Sep 2024, 9:44 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Angry and raging again....poor broken lil Neffy.

Cha-Ching....these Putinist activists sure aren't very creative....must be a Siberian

nefarious101 » 24 Sep 2024, 10:10 am » wrote: ↑

24 Sep 2024, 10:10 am

Cha-Ching....these Putinist activists sure aren't very creative....must be a Siberian

FULL MODE?
 

nefarious101 » 24 Sep 2024, 9:37 am » wrote: ↑

24 Sep 2024, 9:37 am

Since when is killing those who are killing you considered a cruel attack?.....seriously!

.eth·ics

1. 1.
   moral principles that govern a person's behavior or the conducting of an activity.
   
   "

Was it Ethical for the Israeli's to remotely detonate thousands of electronic devices that were spread among the Lebanese population NOT knowing who would be killed or maimed ? ......and not caring whom their targets were?
Not once but twice ....
And then Carpet bomb them ?

Or ...killing tens of thousand's  of Gazans and wounding and maiming tens of thousand's more while destroying their entire infrastructure and most of their homes while also creating a mass starvation event that will undoubtedly kill thousand's more?

 
 

nefarious101 » 24 Sep 2024, 10:10 am » wrote: ↑

24 Sep 2024, 10:10 am

Cha-Ching....these Putinist activists sure aren't very creative....must be a Siberian

 

Majik » 25 Sep 2024, 8:35 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2024, 8:35 am

.eth·ics

1. 1.
   moral principles that govern a person's behavior or the conducting of an activity.
   
   "

Was it Ethical for the Israeli's to remotely detonate thousands of electronic devices that were spread among the Lebanese population NOT knowing who would be killed or maimed ? ......and not caring whom their targets were?
Not once but twice ....
And then Carpet bomb them ?

Or ...killing tens of thousand's  of Gazans and wounding and maiming tens of thousand's more while destroying their entire infrastructure and most of their homes while also creating a mass starvation event that will undoubtedly kill thousand's more?

Ethics? that's rich...

ROG62 » 25 Sep 2024, 9:09 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2024, 9:09 am

Ethics? that's rich...

Source?


 

Majik » 25 Sep 2024, 8:35 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2024, 8:35 am

.eth·ics

1. 1.
   moral principles that govern a person's behavior or the conducting of an activity.
   
   "

Was it Ethical for the Israeli's to remotely detonate thousands of electronic devices that were spread among the Lebanese population NOT knowing who would be killed or maimed ? ......and not caring whom their targets were?
Not once but twice ....
And then Carpet bomb them ?

Or ...killing tens of thousand's  of Gazans and wounding and maiming tens of thousand's more while destroying their entire infrastructure and most of their homes while also creating a mass starvation event that will undoubtedly kill thousand's more?

in what world do yo live?  If the neighbor came to your house and killed members and said they are coming back to kill the rest of you, would moral high ground be your first and only concern?  

That pager thing was brilliant....James Bond **** completely....followed up with the explosive walkies the next day was the icing on the cake.  Joos 1 radical islamo-fascists 0
 

Majik » 25 Sep 2024, 8:35 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2024, 8:35 am

.eth·ics

1. 1.
   moral principles that govern a person's behavior or the conducting of an activity.
   
   "

Was it Ethical for the Israeli's to remotely detonate thousands of electronic devices that were spread among the Lebanese population NOT knowing who would be killed or maimed ? ......and not caring whom their targets were?
Not once but twice ....
And then Carpet bomb them ?

Or ...killing tens of thousand's  of Gazans and wounding and maiming tens of thousand's more while destroying their entire infrastructure and most of their homes while also creating a mass starvation event that will undoubtedly kill thousand's more?

You'll notice, no work boots or toilet paper were detonated.

''''''Israel.....

"The Synagogue of Satan" ..''''''

----Billy Graham

ROG62 » 25 Sep 2024, 9:09 am » wrote: ↑

25 Sep 2024, 9:09 am

Ethics? that's rich...

Shouldn't Israel be held to a higher standard of ethics considering it claims to be moral and just while doing this ....I think it wouldn’t be right to say a country is bad or wrong in its entirety, but many of Israel’s actions are deplorable.

1. It continues to occupy pieces of Syria and Palestine and Lebanon for 53 years now and refuses to leave them despite continuous UN appeals.
2. It unilaterally and illegally annexed pieces of those territories.
3. It builds illegal civilian settlements in occupied territory, on territories taking from indigenous, occupied population.
4. It forced out / didn’t let back in hundreds of thousands of indigenous population from its land in 1947–1949 and later, changing the ethnic composition of its territory completely. It confiscated their land too.
5. It destroyed a number of cultural and religious sites, even quite important in history (like the mosque of Al-Husayn in Ascalon).
6. Arab citizens are treaten as second-class citizens; it is a state of Jewish nation, not of all of its citizens, and this shows in many aspects.
7. In occupied territories; its forces used human shields several times, even children. Indigenous population is not adequately protected from attacks by radical Israel settlers, who f.e. vandalise their churches and mosques, cut their orchards etc. Also, indigenous population is virtually deprived of possibilities to build new houses or new wells etc, and Israel even happened to demolish repaired ancient wells (repaired with help of foreign charity organisations). Israel also makes transport and living there hard for the population, as well as uses excessive force and collective responsibility, resulting in many deaths, mostly civilians, often children.
8. Unlike what Israel tries to say, wars of 1956, 1967, 1978, 1982 etc. with Israel’s neighbours were started by Israel, which launched offensive, even if it had some pretext for this, good (in 1967 it was good) or not. Only wars in 1973 and 1948 were clearly started by Israel’s neighbours.
9. Israel used its secret services in questionable ways. For example, in Lavon affair, Israeli spies were targetting western, including American, objects in Egypt, trying to pose it as work of Egyptian radicals, to spoil relations between USA and the West in general and Egypt. Not so nice, is it.
10. Israel often tries to make really outrageous excuses for its actions, blaming the victims or trying to present valid criticisement of Israeli state’s actions as antisemitism. Which is dangerous for battling actual antisemitism too.