FOS » 45 minutes ago » wrote: ↑ Every midwit leftist is 'educated' on Carl popper's "paradox of intolerance", and I often hear them repeat this idea whenever they want to be clever.
Basically it goes like this: you cannot tolerate intolerance because that results intolerance.
It is painfully easy to refute this idea. In fact it is so easy that it makes me wonder why popper is a respected philosopher at all (perhaps because of this ethnic group?)
Quite simply, disembodied intolerance doesn't exist. Take Hitler, for example. He clearly did not like the jews, but that doesn't mean he lacked tolerance for everything. He seemed to have a remarkable degree of tolerance for germans, for example. In fact, the reason he was mad at jews is because he believed they were bad for the germans.
You can question whether he was correct aboutthat judgement, but that is all it is. A claim that is either true or false. It is not disembodied intolerance and it is not universally applied.
Indeed, Carl popper's argument would condemn literally any human who has a friend enemy distinction. Which is literally every human. Condemning all humanity is not very tolerant.
gosh. That was easy.
right, well a person could easily say that jewish power is a threat to a free and open society. Someone might disagree but there is not intrinsic contradiction. His reasoning only makes sense if there is such a thing as disembodied intolerance, when a person is just intolerant of literally everything and for no reason whatsoever. Which is absurd and just doesn't exist.Vegas » Today, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑ Popper's paradox reveals that to preserve tolerance, we must sometimes be intolerant of the intolerant, especially when they threaten the very existence of a free and open society. The problem with this, as I see it, is that he never defined what is meant by a 'free and open society'. He put no definition or parameters on this idea. Therefore, his paradox is rooted in nothing more than semantics from who the leaders are at the time.
I need to introduce you to my butt hurt older brother.FOS » 44 minutes ago » wrote: ↑ right, well a person could easily say that jewish power is a threat to a free and open society. Someone might disagree but there is not intrinsic contradiction. His reasoning only makes sense if there is such a thing as disembodied intolerance, when a person is just intolerant of literally everything and for no reason whatsoever. Which is absurd and just doesn't exist.
The Nazis encouraged the German youth to report their parents if they heard any conversation less than enthusiastic about the Reich.....so much for your tolerance argument.FOS » Today, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑ Every midwit leftist is 'educated' on Carl popper's "paradox of intolerance", and I often hear them repeat this idea whenever they want to be clever.
Basically it goes like this: you cannot tolerate intolerance because that results intolerance.
It is painfully easy to refute this idea. In fact it is so easy that it makes me wonder why popper is a respected philosopher at all (perhaps because of this ethnic group?)
Quite simply, disembodied intolerance doesn't exist. Take Hitler, for example. He clearly did not like the jews, but that doesn't mean he lacked tolerance for everything. He seemed to have a remarkable degree of tolerance for germans, for example. In fact, the reason he was mad at jews is because he believed they were bad for the germans.
You can question whether he was correct aboutthat judgement, but that is all it is. A claim that is either true or false. It is not disembodied intolerance and it is not universally applied.
Indeed, Carl popper's argument would condemn literally any human who has a friend enemy distinction. Which is literally every human. Condemning all humanity is not very tolerant.
gosh. That was easy.
RebelGator » Today, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑ The Nazis encouraged the German youth to report their parents if they heard any conversation less than enthusiastic about the Reich.....so much for your tolerance argument.
I was specific about my example, the one you're ignoring.FOS » 9 minutes ago » wrote: ↑ sure. It just isn't true. There was plenty of criticism of the state in natsoc Germany, anf often the state even listened to it. In fact, hitler conceeded to popular protests on multiplr occasions.
I'm just calling ****. It doesn't even have to do with intolerance anyway, but rather authoritarianism...so you couldn't even stick to the assignment. But it would simply be false to say gwrmans were. Ot allowed to criticize the state...because sometimes they did and the state allowed it...want an example?