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It really is difficult to feel sorry for this guy or any Health insurance CEO. Hopefully this will be a wake up call for the insurance industry. The shooting is one thing, but to see how the customers are so pissed off at this guy and the company should really raise eyebrows. 

The murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson has certainly unleashed something into the world. On Dec. 4, 2024, Thompson was gunned down while walking to the New York Hilton for the annual UnitedHealthcare investors meeting. It was early in the morning, and he was staying across the street at the Marriott. It is thought to be a targeted attack by an assassin who is still at large. Reactions to Thompson's death on social media have been shocking, though not in the way one might think. Some appear to be rejoicing in the killing of an individual they partially blame for the systemic issues in the United States healthcare system. If you're looking for examples of the way some have been treated by Thompson's company, head to LinkedIn, where his final post includes angry responses from those who have UnitedHealthcare insurance. Details to follow.








A woman by the name of Andrea Huspeni chimed in with a heartbreaking story about her mother's hospital care. Huspeni didn't say what her mother was suffering from but said she had been in the hospital for quite some time. Her mother's care team had approved a transfer to an in-network facility that would help her recovery process, but UnitedHealthcare kept delaying the decision to authorize the move. She ended her comment by asking how this was a "'more sustainable health care' system?"

Vegas » 06 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm

It really is difficult to feel sorry for this guy or any Health insurance CEO. Hopefully this will be a wake up call for the insurance industry. The shooting is one thing, but to see how the customers are so pissed off at this guy and the company should really raise eyebrows.

this reminds me of when a process server was serving an eviction notice was shot and a police man came and he was shot. both died. the policeman got a lot of money through a go fund me but the process  server got nearly nothing.

Vegas » 06 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm

It really is difficult to feel sorry for this guy or any Health insurance CEO. Hopefully this will be a wake up call for the insurance industry. The shooting is one thing, but to see how the customers are so pissed off at this guy and the company should really raise eyebrows.

denial is the principle way to save costs.

jerrab » 06 Dec 2024, 4:30 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 4:30 pm

this reminds me of when a process server was serving an eviction notice was shot and a police man came and he was shot. both died. the policeman got a lot of money through a go fund me but the process  server got nearly nothing.

Exactly. The government is going all out to find the killer. People get shot and killed all the time. However, if the victim is a multimillionaire CEO, then the government will avenge their death with a fury. 

jerrab » 06 Dec 2024, 4:31 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 4:31 pm

denial is the principle way to save costs.

Well, people can simply decide not to have insurance.  They might have to sit in an ER waiting room for 8-10 hours before being seen and treated at someone else's expense...but they have options.

ConsRule » 06 Dec 2024, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 4:48 pm

Well, people can simply decide not to have insurance.  They might have to sit in an ER waiting room for 8-10 hours before being seen and treated at someone else's expense...but they have options.

and get hounded for life or lose their homes?

Vegas » 06 Dec 2024, 4:42 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 4:42 pm

Exactly. The government is going all out to find the killer. People get shot and killed all the time. However, if the victim is a multimillionaire CEO, then the government will avenge their death with a fury.

the richer you are the more the police care.

ConsRule » 06 Dec 2024, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 4:48 pm

Well, people can simply decide not to have insurance.  They might have to sit in an ER waiting room for 8-10 hours before being seen and treated at someone else's expense...but they have options.

That’s the problem 

people WITH insurance are filling bankruptcy too
 

Vegas » 06 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm

It really is difficult to feel sorry for this guy or any Health insurance CEO. Hopefully this will be a wake up call for the insurance industry. The shooting is one thing, but to see how the customers are so pissed off at this guy and the company should really raise eyebrows.

TO NOTE:
RIGHT AFTER BEING GUNNED DOWN ON THE WAY THERE, THE MEETING TOOK PLACE AS SCHEDULED.
FOR THE BIG CORPORATION, HIS USEFULNESS WAS EXPENDABLE
 
 

righteous » 06 Dec 2024, 5:18 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 5:18 pm

TO NOTE:
RIGHT AFTER BEING GUNNED DOWN ON THE WAY THERE, THE MEETING TOOK PLACE AS SCHEDULED.
FOR THE BIG CORPORATION, HIS USEFULNESS WAS EXPENDABLE

Business as usual. I wonder how many pockets of Washington's senators he filled. 

ConsRule » 06 Dec 2024, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 4:48 pm

Well, people can simply decide not to have insurance.  They might have to sit in an ER waiting room for 8-10 hours before being seen and treated at someone else's expense...but they have options.

The other alternative is to file bankruptcy...or die. I hardly that call those 'options.'

Vegas » 06 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm

It really is difficult to feel sorry for this guy or any Health insurance CEO. Hopefully this will be a wake up call for the insurance industry. The shooting is one thing, but to see how the customers are so pissed off at this guy and the company should really raise eyebrows.

One or two dead CEOs will make the other CEOs nervous but not nearly ready to redesign the system.
They will instead spend all their energies making themselves harder targets to hit.
I imagine Federal Agents will be tasked with providing around the clock protection to the CEOs and their families [but hopefully they will be more of the  same fat lesbians that were assigned to protect Trump]    
 

jerrab » 06 Dec 2024, 4:31 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 4:31 pm

denial is the principle way to save costs.

deny....delay....depose 

Mrkelly » 06 Dec 2024, 5:03 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 5:03 pm

That’s the problem 

people WITH insurance are filling bankruptcy too

China and Russia are corrupt countries with corrupt govts...  
....that provide their people with universal healthcare and damn near free college.

Its called INVESTING into and CARING for your people. 
 

Sumela » 06 Dec 2024, 6:23 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 6:23 pm

China and Russia are corrupt countries with corrupt govts...  
....that provide their people with universal healthcare and damn near free college.

Its called INVESTING into and CARING for your people.

a good friend at work was from Kenya 

even they have it 

Mrkelly » 06 Dec 2024, 5:03 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 5:03 pm

That’s the problem 

people WITH insurance are filling bankruptcy too

I have repeatedly searched at times over the years when this debate comes up.  I have never found any data on how many people with health insurance file bankruptcy. 

Also, even the authors of one of the most often cited studies on the topic admit using their data to make conclusions on specific reason is flawed.  Since there is no way to know, other than having medical debt as the ONLY debt in a filing, what caused the person to file bankruptcy.  Even though listed debt is in descending order of total, it is erroneous to assume any one debt is the reason for the filing.  The may have encountered significant medical debt AFTER spending a lifetime accumulating debt in many other forms.  However, if medical debt is one of the top listed items it is included in a total of bankruptcies "due to medical debt."

Profit is not evil.  Companies need profit to survive.  Anyone can point to a few anecdotal examples and cry "See...I told you."  In my life, I have had three stays in the hospital lasting more than a week.  Two directly related to my heart issues and one after a near fatal car accident.  All three resulted in a total bill in excess of $400,000.  I have never had care denied by an insurance company.  Besides, even when someone files bankruptcy, the debts don't magically disappear.  They are paid by others in the form of higher premiums, higher cost and higher interest rates.

Some people simple never come to understand the truth behind TANSTAAFL!
 
 

I wonder how many of you clowns would celebrate a parent shooting his child's teacher because they didn't pass him/her to the next grade.

ConsRule » 06 Dec 2024, 6:32 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 6:32 pm

I have repeatedly searched at times over the years when this debate comes up.  I have never found any data on how many people with health insurance file bankruptcy. 

Also, even the authors of one of the most often cited studies on the topic admit using their data to make conclusions on specific reason is flawed.  Since there is no way to know, other than having medical debt as the ONLY debt in a filing, what caused the person to file bankruptcy.  Even though listed debt is in descending order of total, it is erroneous to assume any one debt is the reason for the filing.  The may have encountered significant medical debt AFTER spending a lifetime accumulating debt in many other forms.  However, if medical debt is one of the top listed items it is included in a total of bankruptcies "due to medical debt."

Profit is not evil.  Companies need profit to survive.  Anyone can point to a few anecdotal examples and cry "See...I told you."  In my life, I have had three stays in the hospital lasting more than a week.  Two directly related to my heart issues and one after a near fatal car accident.  All three resulted in a total bill in excess of $400,000.  I have never had care denied by an insurance company.  Besides, even when someone files bankruptcy, the debts don't magically disappear.  They are paid by others in the form of higher premiums, higher cost and higher interest rates.

Some people simple never come to understand the truth behind TANSTAAFL!

probably there is no way to quantify how many declare bankruptcy for reason X or reason Y. I have declared bankruptcy and had serious medical debt but the straw that broke the camel's back was having our two cars break down at the exact same time. So for data collection, the reason would be cars breaking down that we owed money on. Most of the debt was tied to having a ruptured appendix when I was 18 and in high school. Coming from a poor background, I was not in the position to pay $35,000 in debt. Parents did not have insurance to say the least. 
 

ConsRule » 06 Dec 2024, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 4:48 pm

Well, people can simply decide not to have insurance.  They might have to sit in an ER waiting room for 8-10 hours before being seen and treated at someone else's expense...but they have options.

So much for that Death Panel and 85% satisfaction with the private market ****.

 

Mrkelly » 06 Dec 2024, 6:27 pm » wrote: ↑

06 Dec 2024, 6:27 pm

a good friend at work was from Kenya 

even they have it

Faaawk.  Embarrassing.
Even Pissrael