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Majik » 10 Dec 2024, 8:31 am » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 8:31 am

The shooters wealthy family owns a country club and wait for it ....
a Nursing Home empire ....
His motivation may have began during covid ....

Yep. I heard that he comes from a pretty affluent and influential family. 

RebelGator » 10 Dec 2024, 8:43 am » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 8:43 am

The fact authorities work at suppressing these manifestos indicate to me......not that they don't want to encourage the nutjobs by releasing  them, but rather are hiding something that runs contrary to their agenda.

I would have to agree with you that the suppression of manifestos is based on which political  agenda is in power ....at the time .
We saw this with the Trans mass shooters multiple times over the last few years ...
When the authorities were reluctant to say the mass shooters were trans....
 

Majik » 10 Dec 2024, 10:12 am » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 10:12 am

I would have to agree with you that the suppression of manifestos is based on which political  agenda is in power ....at the time .
We saw this with the Trans mass shooters multiple times over the last few years ...
When the authorities were reluctant to say the mass shooters were trans....

If there is a *manifesto*....then  that increases the odds of it being a FALSE FLAG SHOOTING by a considerable amount.
If there was a manifesto AND the shooter ends up dead..then the odds go up even higher.

If there is NO MANIFESTO...then the odds of it being a  False Flag Shooting are next to none.

Let's retrace our steps and identify when *manifestos* became a trend...?
 

Majik » 10 Dec 2024, 8:31 am » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 8:31 am

The shooters wealthy family owns a country club and wait for it ....
a Nursing Home empire ....
His motivation may have began during covid ....

perhaps a lot of people died because uh denied their claims.

maybe.........

jerrab » 10 Dec 2024, 2:08 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 2:08 pm

perhaps a lot of people died because uh denied their claims.

maybe.........

Fauci lied.  . Millions died... he will burn in hell

FJB » 10 Dec 2024, 2:11 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 2:11 pm

Fauci lied.  . Millions died... he will burn in hell

not about fauci---

anyway he has been cancelled because of dog abuse.

jerrab » 10 Dec 2024, 2:38 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 2:38 pm

not about fauci---

anyway he has been cancelled because of dog abuse.

**** fauci... he will pay

FJB » 10 Dec 2024, 2:39 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 2:39 pm

**** fauci... he will pay

not about fauci

jerrab » 10 Dec 2024, 2:44 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 2:44 pm

not about fauci

sure it is... fauci is morally corrupt. 

FJB » 10 Dec 2024, 2:47 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 2:47 pm

sure it is... fauci is morally corrupt.

not in charge of uh

Vegas » 08 Dec 2024, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2024, 12:06 pm

I guess the guy was also involved in insider trading. That is speculation, but it seems new info is coming to light about that. Either way, at what point, if there is one at all,  is it ok to celebrate the murder of a person based on their deeds? We may justify it by saying that things will now change for the better. However, it's highly unlikely anything will change. There will be no policy changes and private insurances will still deny claims that should be accepted. They will replace the CEO ASAP and things will go back to how they always were. 

My take on this is that I am unsure. I never encourage death upon someone else. However, I am not going to weep either. Therefore, I don't support the act, but I don't exactly feel bad about it either.

Yes, it is 100% morally corrupt to celebrate the murder of UHC's CEO.  If you don't like United Healthcare, then choose a different insurance company.  Or, better yet, pay cash for the services you want a doctor to perform on you.  Slavery was abolished a long time ago.  No one, including doctors, exist to provide people with services they didn't pay for.

The murderer didn't know anything or say anything about Brian Thompson being involved in insider trading.  It seems he killed the guy maybe because he UHC wouldn't pay for some medical treatment he wanted or needed.  The little F-er is a self-entitled prick who thinks he's some kind of super-hero for murdering the CEO of a company he didn't like for whatever reason.

Democrats justify murder "for the greater good" - one of the reasons I despise Democrats.  Not the only reason, but certainly its one.
 

jerrab » 10 Dec 2024, 3:02 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 3:02 pm

not in charge of uh

he was... 

Skans » 10 Dec 2024, 3:04 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 3:04 pm

Yes, it is 100% morally corrupt to celebrate the murder of UHC's CEO.  If you don't like United Healthcare, then choose a different insurance company.  Or, better yet, pay cash for the services you want a doctor to perform on you.  Slavery was abolished a long time ago.  No one, including doctors, exist to provide people with services they didn't pay for.

The murderer didn't know anything or say anything about Brian Thompson being involved in insider trading.  It seems he killed the guy maybe because he UHC wouldn't pay for some medical treatment he wanted or needed.  The little F-er is a self-entitled prick who thinks he's some kind of super-hero for murdering the CEO of a company he didn't like for whatever reason.

Democrats justify murder "for the greater good" - one of the reasons I despise Democrats.  Not the only reason, but certainly its one.

Good to see you again, sir. 

I disagree. Your argument is fallacious. It would be sound if the other insurance competitors weren't the same. Therefore, there are no other options. 

Pay cash? I think you don't know how much healthcare costs.

Vegas » 10 Dec 2024, 3:18 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 3:18 pm

Good to see you again, sir. 

I disagree. Your argument is fallacious. It would be sound if the other insurance competitors weren't the same. Therefore, there are no other options. 

Pay cash? I think you don't know how much healthcare costs.

Thank you - good to post a little here today.

I do know how much healthcare costs.  I just don't believe that anyone is entitled to free healthcare, that's all. See, I'm old-school.  I believe that if you want something then you pay for it.  I am not a Socialist/Communist.  I do not believe the state or anyone else owes me "free stuff", even if it would serve to prolong my natural life.

Everyone dies.  I will die and so will you.  We all die at different times.  Is this fair? No - its just how we're made.  And, those who are not social-justice "everyone must be equal" a-holes accepts this as part of life.  So, if you or I want doctors to take care of our problems, each of us is ultimately responsible for making sure those doctors get paid for their services.  Some choose to buy expensive healthcare plans to pay the bills.  Others buy cheap health insurance or go without health insurance, and they are expected to pay for what they want and use. And, then others rely on their employer to pay for their healthcare.  I say - "don't look a gift-horse in the mouth" - you get what you pay for!
 
 

Skans » 10 Dec 2024, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 3:26 pm

Thank you - good to post a little here today.

I do know how much healthcare costs.  I just don't believe that anyone is entitled to free healthcare, that's all. See, I'm old-school.  I believe that if you want something then you pay for it.  I am not a Socialist/Communist.  I do not believe the state or anyone else owes me "free stuff", even if it would serve to prolong my natural life.

 

I am not sure how any of this is relevant. This issue has nothing to do with entitlement of anything. It has to do with health insurance companies breaking their contractual responsibilities with the consumer. They deny claims that their contract says they are obligated to pay. They can be sued, but let's be serious. These companies are too big to lose. 

Everyone dies.  I will die and so will you.  We all die at different times.  Is this fair? No - its just how we're made.  And, those who are not social-justice "everyone must be equal" a-holes accepts this as part of life.  So, if you or I want doctors to take care of our problems, each of us is ultimately responsible for making sure those doctors get paid for their services.  Some choose to buy expensive healthcare plans to pay the bills.  Others buy cheap health insurance or go without health insurance, and they are expected to pay for what they want and use. And, then others rely on their employer to pay for their healthcare.  I say - "don't look a gift-horse in the mouth" - you get what you pay for!

Again. This is irrelevant to the issue. 

Vegas » 10 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm

I am not sure how any of this is relevant. This issue has nothing to do with entitlement of anything. It has to do with health insurance companies breaking their contractual responsibilities with the consumer. They deny claims that their contract says they are obligated to pay. They can be sued, but let's be serious. These companies are too big to lose. 

Again. This is irrelevant to the issue.

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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/health-ins ... rm%20found.

Health insurance costs are far outpacing inflation, leaving more consumers on the hook each year for thousands of dollars in out-of-pocket expenses. At the same time, some insurers are rejecting nearly 1 in 5 claims. That double whammy is leaving Americans paying more for coverage yet sometimes feeling like they're getting less in return, experts say. Frustration over denials and medical costs has fueled an outpouring of vitriol against health insurance companies in the wake of the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Also last week, a similar outcry led Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield to reverse a decision to limit anesthesia coverage during surgeries.The anger may be rooted in fears that unexpected medical costs could prove financially ruinous, as well as concerns that essential care could be denied by an insurer, putting health and well-being at risk even for those who have health insurance. Some of those anxieties are well-founded: The top cause of bankruptcy in the U.S. is health care-related debt, underscoring the financial stresses that can stem from high medical costs. In fact, most adults say they worry about their ability to pay for health care services or unexpected medical bills, a sentiment shared by people regardless of whether they're financially comfortable or struggling, a KFF survey found earlier this year. 
 

Vegas » 10 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm

I am not sure how any of this is relevant. This issue has nothing to do with entitlement of anything. It has to do with health insurance companies breaking their contractual responsibilities with the consumer. They deny claims that their contract says they are obligated to pay. They can be sued, but let's be serious. These companies are too big to lose. 

Again. This is irrelevant to the issue.

where the money goes........

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Thompson's salary (not total compensation) is reported as $10 million. Other CEOs receive similarly generous total compensation, such as those heading Centene at $18.5 million, Elevance at 21.8 million, CVS Health at $21.6 million, Cigna Health at $21 million, and Humana at $16.3 million.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/health-ins ... rm%20found.
 
 

Vegas » 10 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 3:44 pm

I am not sure how any of this is relevant. This issue has nothing to do with entitlement of anything. It has to do with health insurance companies breaking their contractual responsibilities with the consumer. They deny claims that their contract says they are obligated to pay. They can be sued, but let's be serious. These companies are too big to lose. 

Again. This is irrelevant to the issue.

There are tons of Sharks just dying to sue insurance companies for bad-faith failure to pay claims.  Lawyer-up and get your claims paid. 

While I agree that too many insurance companies play the game of denying claims they are obligated to pay, this is not relevant to your OP.  Your OP is whether it is morally corrupt to celebrate the murderer of UH's CEO.  It is morally corrupt and you know this.  Generally speaking, it is the lowly claims adjusters who are denying benefits and claims.  Many of these people are lucky to even have a GED.
 
 

Vegas » 08 Dec 2024, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Dec 2024, 12:06 pm

I guess the guy was also involved in insider trading. That is speculation, but it seems new info is coming to light about that. Either way, at what point, if there is one at all,  is it ok to celebrate the murder of a person based on their deeds? We may justify it by saying that things will now change for the better. However, it's highly unlikely anything will change. There will be no policy changes and private insurances will still deny claims that should be accepted. They will replace the CEO ASAP and things will go back to how they always were. 

My take on this is that I am unsure. I never encourage death upon someone else. However, I am not going to weep either. Therefore, I don't support the act, but I don't exactly feel bad about it either.

If a person is your enemy...if they actively harm you and make your life more difficult...you should kill them. That is kinda the essence of politics itself. Politics happens because war is possible. 

Did this guy harm me? Absolutely. Him and people like him are the reason health care is so difficult to afford.

the only reason I didn't kill him or people like him is because I would rather not be charged with murder and live in prison. There is no ethical obstacle whatsoever

and as far as the framing of the poll went...two wrongs making a right? That misses the point. I would say instead that if you kill all your enemies then you won't have enemies. And it is besides the point whether that is right or wrong. That is just what a successful life form does. It is no different from my immune system killing germs.

jerrab » 10 Dec 2024, 2:08 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Dec 2024, 2:08 pm

perhaps a lot of people died because uh denied their claims.

maybe.........

Deny....Delay....Depose.....

Engraved on his shells.