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Predictions, anyone?

I don't think he's going to try that silly **** about "We won't invite Ukraine into NATO for at least X number of years." That is a non starter and there is no way he isn't aware it's a non starter. The main reason for the SMO was the talk about Ukraine joining NATO in violation of its own Constitution, which mandates neutrality ala Switzerland. 

I am 100% sure that Trump will recognize that Russia owns the land it has taken. That land could have remained Ukraine, had Ukraine kept its agreements from the Minsk Accords. Now it has fallen to Russia, peopled by ethnic Russians who speak Russian and who were being brutalized by the DC puppet regime in Kyiv and who have voted or will vote to be part of Russia. 

You know - democracy and stuff. Will of the people. Consent of the governed. That stuff.

So, that's gone - nevermore to be a part of Ukraine. With it, the metals that Linsey Graham was eying like a fresh young stud on the scene. 

So... predictions, anyone?

Cannonpointer » 01 Jan 2025, 5:28 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 5:28 pm

Predictions, anyone?

I don't think he's going to try that silly **** about "We won't invite Ukraine into NATO for at least X number of years." That is a non starter and there is no way he isn't aware it's a non starter. The main reason for the SMO was the talk about Ukraine joining NATO in violation of its own Constitution, which mandates neutrality ala Switzerland. 

I am 100% sure that Trump will recognize that Russia owns the land it has taken. That land could have remained Ukraine, had Ukraine kept its agreements from the Minsk Accords. Now it has fallen to Russia, peopled by ethnic Russians who speak Russian and who were being brutalized by the DC puppet regime in Kyiv and who have voted or will vote to be part of Russia. 

You know - democracy and stuff. Will of the people. Consent of the governed. That stuff.

So, that's gone - nevermore to be a part of Ukraine. With it, the metals that Linsey Graham was eying like a fresh young stud on the scene. 

So... predictions, anyone?

My prediction is when he makes the announcement at a press conference he won't be doing a shout-out to a dead woman or walking off the wrong end of the stage because he saw a pubescent child to sniff.

He will sit down with Putin and Zelenskyy and iron out an end to the war.

PhiloBeddo » 01 Jan 2025, 6:31 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 6:31 pm

He will sit down with Putin and Zelenskyy and iron out an end to the war.

Well duh. My question was what that will look like - what he will concede to Putin.

I say that he will concede Putin's red-line issues:
1. No reversing; Russia keeps its territorial gains; and,
2. No NATO in Ukraine, ever; and 
3. Ukraine respects its Constitutional mandate to stay out of ANY military agreements, east OR west; and
4. Ukraine's military will be limited to 85,000 service members.

Now, THAT is my prediction. I might be right, and I might be wrong. But I made a prediction. You didn't.
 

I think Trump will get Ukraine to give up some of its territory and Putin to agree to rebuild parts of Ukraine

Trump will accomplish more than plugs on this

PhiloBeddo » 01 Jan 2025, 6:50 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 6:50 pm

I think Trump will get Ukraine to give up some of its territory and Putin to agree to rebuild parts of Ukraine

He won't have any trouble AT ALL getting Putin to rebuild parts of Ukraine. It'll be the parts he took.

The parts he lets the west keep will be rebuilt - if at all - by the western powers, especially the USA, that staged the coup and inserted a puppet government with which they mistakenly believed they would open Russia up to western perversions. Drag shows, child molestation, gay marriage - the type of **** your country and mine is trying to push on the rest of humanity. 

Putin will not spend one penny on tribute. But he will spend billions on defense. Ya see, HE is a patriot. HE represents HIS country. Ukraine can go fish. 

Cannonpointer » 01 Jan 2025, 6:35 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 6:35 pm

Well duh. My question was what that will look like - what he will concede to Putin.

I say that he will concede Putin's red-line issues:
1. No reversing; Russia keeps its territorial gains; and,
2. No NATO in Ukraine, ever; and 
3. Ukraine respects its Constitutional mandate to stay out of ANY military agreements, east OR west; and
4. Ukraine's military will be limited to 85,000 service members.

Now, THAT is my prediction. I might be right, and I might be wrong. But I made a prediction. You didn't.

Another prediction, Zelensky will run out of money..

 

MOSCOW (Sputnik) - US billionaire Elon Musk on Monday called Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky an "all-time" champion for the US "greatest heist," commenting on US President Joe Biden’s decision to allocate another $2.5 billion to Ukraine.

"All-time champ," Musk said on X in response to another user’s comment saying that the Ukrainian leader "has genuinely pulled off one of the greatest money heists of all time." Earlier in the day, Biden announced another package of aid to Ukraine worth nearly $2.5 billion.



 

Putin is not going to allow any language that involves allowing [[[NATO]]] to maintain a military presence in Ukraine...or any future deadline for when Ukraine is allowed to join NATO.

If I were Putin I would take issue with Trump for claiming that he could guarantee an instantaneous peace settlement with me.
I would take that as an insult and let him know that this insult will drive my price [to settle this matter] somewhat higher than if Trump had chosen to not campaign on the false pretense that he holds some kind of magic power of persuasion over me.

I think that tRump will attempt to cut all funding to Ukraine

And give Putin the green light

tRump will get resistance from both sides

But he will get it done

Then once he targets Iran, both sides will join in and distract us from anything else

That’s when tRump will have to deal with Putin

Cannonpointer » 01 Jan 2025, 5:28 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 5:28 pm

Predictions, anyone?

I don't think he's going to try that silly **** about "We won't invite Ukraine into NATO for at least X number of years." That is a non starter and there is no way he isn't aware it's a non starter. The main reason for the SMO was the talk about Ukraine joining NATO in violation of its own Constitution, which mandates neutrality ala Switzerland. 

I am 100% sure that Trump will recognize that Russia owns the land it has taken. That land could have remained Ukraine, had Ukraine kept its agreements from the Minsk Accords. Now it has fallen to Russia, peopled by ethnic Russians who speak Russian and who were being brutalized by the DC puppet regime in Kyiv and who have voted or will vote to be part of Russia. 

You know - democracy and stuff. Will of the people. Consent of the governed. That stuff.

So, that's gone - nevermore to be a part of Ukraine. With it, the metals that Linsey Graham was eying like a fresh young stud on the scene. 

So... predictions, anyone?

How much are these young studs getting paid to get Graham's wiener shoved up their holes?

How many wieners did JD Vance accept in either mouth or poop outlet to become a "venture capitalist" under Thiel's tutelage?

QUESTIONs I DEMAND ANSWERS TO   

As for the OP, I can honestly say given the conman Trump is, there may be no deal at all. Ukraine will just have to surrender eventually (though the Russian Ruble is already under severe stress so there's a possibility Putin may decide to discontinue for financial reasons).

 

LowIQTrash » 02 Jan 2025, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2025, 10:16 am

How much are these young studs getting paid to get Graham's wiener shoved up their holes?

How many wieners did JD Vance accept in either mouth or poop outlet to become a "venture capitalist" under Thiel's tutelage?

QUESTIONs I DEMAND ANSWERS TO   

As for the OP, I can honestly say given the conman Trump is, there may be no deal at all. Ukraine will just have to surrender eventually (though the Russian Ruble is already under severe stress so there's a possibility Putin may decide to discontinue for financial reasons).

Likely China will find some way to buttress the ruble, given that Russia is taking his heat right now. 

I have always strongly believed that NK is a vassal of China. If I am right, China is already supporting Vlad. 
 

PhiloBeddo » 01 Jan 2025, 6:50 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 6:50 pm

I think Trump will get Ukraine to give up some of its territory and Putin to agree to rebuild parts of Ukraine

Again, Putin will rebuild ALL of Ukraine -that he now owns. The west will rebuild what's left.

The issue is NATO, and European peace keepers. I say that neither will be in Ukraine, or there will be no peace. And if there is no peace in Ukraine, the U.S. will be in no position to **** with Iran, even - much less Chyna. 

 

*GHETTOBLASTER » 02 Jan 2025, 9:54 am » wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2025, 9:54 am

Putin is not going to allow any language that involves allowing [[[NATO]]] to maintain a military presence in Ukraine...or any future deadline for when Ukraine is allowed to join NATO.

If I were Putin I would take issue with Trump for claiming that he could guarantee an instantaneous peace settlement with me.
I would take that as an insult and let him know that this insult will drive my price [to settle this matter] somewhat higher than if Trump had chosen to not campaign on the false pretense that he holds some kind of magic power of persuasion over me.

No NATO, AND no "peace keepers." Also, Ukraine's military is capped at 85k service members. 

As to Trump's "I will end the conflict in 24 hours," Putin has all the room in the world for politicians to run their gobs. He likely got a laugh out of it. 

Besides, Trump still COULD get a ceasefire in 24 hours. He'd have to **** down a lot of necks, and the "He's in Putin's pocket" charges would have a lot more sticking power. But he COULD pull it off. 

Don't misread that as a prediction. It isn't.
 
 

Mrkelly » 02 Jan 2025, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2025, 10:15 am

I think that tRump will attempt to cut all funding to Ukraine

And give Putin the green light

tRump will get resistance from both sides

But he will get it done

Then once he targets Iran, both sides will join in and distract us from anything else

That’s when tRump will have to deal with Putin

Hell, knowing Trump, he might get Putin to quietly look away from Iran in exchange for the U.S. and its vassals looking away from Ukraine. 
 

Cannonpointer » 02 Jan 2025, 10:39 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Jan 2025, 10:39 pm

Likely China will find some way to buttress the ruble, given that Russia is taking his heat right now. 

I have always strongly believed that NK is a vassal of China. If I am right, China is already supporting Vlad.

China wants Russia to remain strong enough to help it deal with US incursions in the future, but not so strong that they become rivals again (like during the Cold War).

I don’t know what is going on in Putin’s circle. All I know is that Russia has seized parts of Eastern Ukraine and is advancing slowly, but this doesn’t guarantee victory. 

Keep in mind Ukraine could, in theory, decide to discontinue the war and tell Russia to keep eastern Ukraine, and then begin sabotaging them after the deal is over. Basically a “You’ll get a hollow victory” message. 

It’s not that easy.

Cannonpointer » 01 Jan 2025, 5:28 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Jan 2025, 5:28 pm

Predictions, anyone?

I don't think he's going to try that silly **** about "We won't invite Ukraine into NATO for at least X number of years." That is a non starter and there is no way he isn't aware it's a non starter. The main reason for the SMO was the talk about Ukraine joining NATO in violation of its own Constitution, which mandates neutrality ala Switzerland. 

I am 100% sure that Trump will recognize that Russia owns the land it has taken. That land could have remained Ukraine, had Ukraine kept its agreements from the Minsk Accords. Now it has fallen to Russia, peopled by ethnic Russians who speak Russian and who were being brutalized by the DC puppet regime in Kyiv and who have voted or will vote to be part of Russia. 

You know - democracy and stuff. Will of the people. Consent of the governed. That stuff.

So, that's gone - nevermore to be a part of Ukraine. With it, the metals that Linsey Graham was eying like a fresh young stud on the scene. 

So... predictions, anyone?

What Obama gave away, Trump must honor the give-away of other people's sovereignty and land. I am sure you will recite the people elected to return to Russia after it was captured in the land grab to build the pipeline into Europe.

Wasn't that around the same time China was building the world's largest dam and the experts were testifying it would cause the planet to wobble out of orbit due to the weight of the water it would hold?

LowIQTrash » 03 Jan 2025, 4:02 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jan 2025, 4:02 am

China wants Russia to remain strong enough to help it deal with US incursions in the future, but not so strong that they become rivals again (like during the Cold War).

I don’t know what is going on in Putin’s circle. All I know is that Russia has seized parts of Eastern Ukraine and is advancing slowly, but this doesn’t guarantee victory. 

Keep in mind Ukraine could, in theory, decide to discontinue the war and tell Russia to keep eastern Ukraine, and then begin sabotaging them after the deal is over. Basically a “You’ll get a hollow victory” message. 

It’s not that easy.

If Russia takes everything east of the Dnieper, They will hold trillions worth of rare earth minerals. A little sabotage won't mean ****.

The green t-shirt cannot make peace, or he is out on his *** and staring at some angry nazis he has used in his schemes - not to mention the revenge that Putin has in mind. And to the west, he will just be a useless hull - no more need for him. 

But he cannot continue the war, either - especially when Trump cuts him off.

The green t-shirt is totally ****. It's almost like he was an expendable proxy or something. Like a Kurd, but jewish and therefore even dirtier.
 

31stArrival » 03 Jan 2025, 8:43 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jan 2025, 8:43 am

What Obama gave away, Trump must honor the give-away of other people's sovereignty and land. I am sure you will recite the people elected to return to Russia after it was captured in the land grab to build the pipeline into Europe.

Wasn't that around the same time China was building the world's largest dam and the experts were testifying it would cause the planet to wobble out of orbit due to the weight of the water it would hold?

Lol - I missed that one altogether.

I was probably in the Unknown Realm, gathering powers. 
 

Cannonpointer » 03 Jan 2025, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

03 Jan 2025, 9:48 am

Lol - I missed that one altogether.

I was probably in the Unknown Realm, gathering powers. 
 

You are always gathering power of suggesting anything else is possible to thrive in the lands of reality governed by reasonable doubt complicating the natural time living as genetically eternally separated in equal time alive per rotation here now since date conceived, not date of birth replacing your previously added ancestral streaming chromosome details of 1 of a kind spontaneously different from anything existed before or since conceived as specifically living in youe own skin simultaneously here every added heartbeat since a zygote form shaped from your unique fertilized cell adapting as occupying space in current events.

that self evident thing about physical absolutes and genetics has always eternally separated any lifetime in any atmosphere universally here now.

Series parallel relationships of occupying time as ancestrally here.

Your brain navigates space as your mind is faithful to social consensus pretending humanity is the new world order no ancestor can win against daily.
Imagine standing your time against 8 billion ancestors defending reasonable doubt until extinction arrives? I have and came up with an idea how to correct it without mayhem, madness, misery put upon anyone debunking the New World Order throughout history of political wings and spiritual feet standing the ground ideology defeated human instincts with imagine live beyond simply adapting to the moment here equally timed apart since conceived to replace previous 4 generation gaps so far.

Doing the same family traditions since dawn of civilization over and over 7 days a week 52 weeks every year regardless 365 or 366 days on the calendar absolutely corrupted every generation gap lived since dawn of civilization expecting better tomorrows defying why each is alive now.