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impartialobserver » 29 Jan 2025, 1:57 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jan 2025, 1:57 pm

semantics. Not all illegals engage in criminal activities once they cross the border. When I would help family friends in the potato fields of Eastern idaho.. 95% of the workforce was illegal. No raping, murdering, assaults going on there. What has stuck with me since those days is their complete and utter indifference towards American politics. Supposedly they were brought there to get votes and yet not a single one cared even the slightest about any American leader or policy.

What part of ILLEGAL alien do you NOT GET??

You can say "semantics" all you want, but the SIMPLE FACT IS, there is a GUEST WORKER PROGRAM that allows the FIELD WORKERS legal entry in the US to work. Ever heard of it??

You are using the SAME 1823 argument for KEEPING SLAVERY!! "Who's going to pick our cotton" vs "Who's going to pick our crops".

Buffalo » 30 Jan 2025, 6:49 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jan 2025, 6:49 am

What about using prison labor.  Let them do ag work and receive good time and reduced sentences.  A win-win for prisoners, taxpayers and farmers.

If it is good enough for illegals it shouldn't be a problem.

I would be supportive of that. Seems like it would be a bit of a logistical mess at first but most things are. 

impartialobserver » 29 Jan 2025, 7:34 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jan 2025, 7:34 pm

Well either they have to pay non-illegals and pay more for labor, automate it somehow, produce less. Either way, prices are going to rise in the short term.

Shaking up the status quo is uncertain. It's probably worth it in the long run.
I basically see it somewhat as you do: politics ain't on the minds of the runners.
They have **** prospects at home so try to make a go of it here as so many have before them.
What could go wrong? Generations of this have been tolerated.

Then Biden **** it all up...

DeezerShoove » 30 Jan 2025, 6:42 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jan 2025, 6:42 pm

Shaking up the status quo is uncertain. It's probably worth it in the long run.
I basically see it somewhat as you do: politics ain't on the minds of the runners.
They have **** prospects at home so try to make a go of it here as so many have before them.
What could go wrong? Generations of this have been tolerated.

Then Biden **** it all up...

He'll eventually join Benedict Arnold in American history.

Mexican word of the day. TUPAC. Time to pack your **** and go home.

RebelGator » 30 Jan 2025, 6:48 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jan 2025, 6:48 pm

He'll eventually join Benedict Arnold in American history.

At least Arnold wasn't purposeless. He felt slighted by a fledgling country.
His actions, the betrayal, are considered a a mess, but a motivating factor to the revolution.

Gee, maybe Biden helped bitch slap Americans . . .  You could be right.  

DeezerShoove » 30 Jan 2025, 6:42 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jan 2025, 6:42 pm

Shaking up the status quo is uncertain. It's probably worth it in the long run.
I basically see it somewhat as you do: politics ain't on the minds of the runners.
They have **** prospects at home so try to make a go of it here as so many have before them.
What could go wrong? Generations of this have been tolerated.

Then Biden **** it all up...

Well, it is going to lead to those crops being more expensive at the grocery store. From there.. crying about inflation. Can't have it both ways. Probably needed to happen awhile ago but still all actions have reactions. 

impartialobserver » 29 Jan 2025, 1:57 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jan 2025, 1:57 pm

semantics. Not all illegals engage in criminal activities once they cross the border. When I would help family friends in the potato fields of Eastern idaho.. 95% of the workforce was illegal. No raping, murdering, assaults going on there. What has stuck with me since those days is their complete and utter indifference towards American politics. Supposedly they were brought there to get votes and yet not a single one cared even the slightest about any American leader or policy.

BUT THEY'VE ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES AS CRIMINALS ONCE THEY'VE CROSSED THE BORDER WITHOUT PROPER DOCUMENTATION.
THE LAWS THEY BREAK ARE 8 USC CODE 1324 AND 8 USC CODE 1325.

THERE ARE NO EXEPTIONS TO THESE LAWS.

WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS YOUR UNWAVERING SUPPORT OF ILLEGAL ALEINS THAT RELY ON AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND WELL-BEING.

FURTHERMORE, THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT POLITICS. 
IT'S ABOUT AMERICA BEING A SOVEREIGN NATION PROTECTING ITS BORDERS, ITS ECONOMY, ITS SECURITY AND THE WELFARE OF ITS PEOPLE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

ALIENS WITH WORK VISAS FOR FARMING CAN EASILY BE REPLACED. IF THEIR VISAS WERE REVOKED, COMPANIES WOULD BE FORCED TO HIRE AMERICANS EVEN IF AT A HIGHER RATE OF PAY. THIS CAN BE OFFSET BY GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES OBTAINED BY ENDING BILLIONS OF NON-REPAYMENT TAX DOLLARS GOING TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES.
 
 
 

righteous » 30 Jan 2025, 8:46 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jan 2025, 8:46 pm

BUT THEY'VE ESTABLISHED THEMSELVES AS CRIMINALS ONCE THEY'VE CROSSED THE BORDER WITHOUT PROPER DOCUMENTATION.
THE LAWS THEY BREAK ARE 8 USC CODE 1324 AND 8 USC CODE 1325.

THERE ARE NO EXEPTIONS TO THESE LAWS.

WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS YOUR UNWAVERING SUPPORT OF ILLEGAL ALEINS THAT RELY ON AMERICAN TAX DOLLARS FOR THEIR SUPPORT AND WELL-BEING.

FURTHERMORE, THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT POLITICS. 
IT'S ABOUT AMERICA BEING A SOVEREIGN NATION PROTECTING ITS BORDERS, ITS ECONOMY, ITS SECURITY AND THE WELFARE OF ITS PEOPLE FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS.

ALIENS WITH WORK VISAS FOR FARMING CAN EASILY BE REPLACED. IF THEIR VISAS WERE REVOKED, COMPANIES WOULD BE FORCED TO HIRE AMERICANS EVEN IF AT A HIGHER RATE OF PAY.

It is not support. It is understanding how this came to be. I helped out family friends in Eastern Idaho from 1990 to 1996. We were there in late July usually. The farmers were 100% white and 100% conservative. How could this be happening? Simple.. business try to save money on costs such as labor. You can get as flustered as you want but I simply speak of human nature. 

Buffalo » 29 Jan 2025, 11:56 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jan 2025, 11:56 am

10 Tips For Illegals To Avoid ICE
U.S.·Jan 28, 2025 · BabylonBee.com
With reports rolling in of widespread panic among the illegal immigrant population of the United States, foreign-born people across the country are looking for ways to avoid being apprehended and deported.The Babylon Bee is here to provide assistance by listing the following helpful tips for illegals wanting to avoid ICE:

1. Go back home: Simple, but effective.
2. Obey immigration laws: Studies show the best way to avoid being charged with a crime is to not do anything to break the law.
3. Take off your sombrero: You'll be less identifiable and blend in with every other Juan, Ricardo, and Geraldo.
4. Resist the urge to lead an armed gang to forcibly take over an apartment complex: It may be difficult to resist this urge, but your willpower will pay off.
5. Don't rape anyone: This activity may draw too much attention.
6. Learn English: Making a convincing case to the governing authorities is much easier when you can actually speak a language they understand.
7. Cut back to less than one murder per week: ICE is targeting violent criminals first, so go easy on the murderin'.
8. Get your MS13 face tattoo removed: Laser removal may be pricey, but it will help you be less conspicuous.
9. Ask Selena Gomez to hide you in one of her mansions: She's got several of them, and she reportedly has a soft spot for illegal aliens.
10. Find the perfect hiding place, like Venezuela: ICE will never look for you there.

Virtually any of the options mentioned above is a surefire way to evade capture and deportation. You'll escape the clutches of ICE and be back hanging out in the Home Depot parking lot in no time. Have your own suggestions? Drop them in the comments.

  **** A DUDE...!!!
 

impartialobserver » 30 Jan 2025, 8:50 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jan 2025, 8:50 pm

It is not support. It is understanding how this came to be. I helped out family friends in Eastern Idaho from 1990 to 1996. We were there in late July usually. The farmers were 100% white and 100% conservative. How could this be happening? Simple.. business try to save money on costs such as labor. You can get as flustered as you want but I simply speak of human nature.

AS I SAID IN MY EARLIER POST THERE IS A WAY FOR FARMERS TO HIRE AMERICAN WORKERS FOR HIGHER WAGES.
IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE WORST FOREIGN POLICIES OF ANY COUNTRY, GOVERNMENT COULD END OUR GENEROSITY TO THE 100 COUNTRIES IT GIVES NON-REPAYABLE FUNDING TO.  THEY COULD USE A FRACTION OF THE FUNDS FOR FARMER SUBSIDIES. TAKE FOR EXAMPLE THE 300 BILLION SENT TO UKRAINE. OVER FIFTY PERCENT OF IT ALONE IS USED FOR ITS ECONOMY, TO PAY WAGES AND BENEFITS.  THIS IS INSANITY    
 

impartialobserver » 29 Jan 2025, 1:53 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jan 2025, 1:53 pm

Well.. not all illegals are criminals. They have the same per-capita demographics as everyone else. In my case, its a simple matter of following the law. If they come here legally.. good for them.

US Citizen Hispanics are roughly twice as likely to commit violent crime as Caucasians.
No wonder why the truth hating  "progressive" George Soros' had his Pet Monkey [Obama] order the  FBI / DOJ  to lump Hispanics in with Whites in the annual crime report in order to .......

A  Hide the truth about Beaner crime rate
B Make White crime rate  look worse than it really is
C  Make Negro crime rate  look not quite as horrible as it really is.
 
 

impartialobserver » 30 Jan 2025, 7:36 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jan 2025, 7:36 pm

Well, it is going to lead to those crops being more expensive at the grocery store. From there.. crying about inflation. Can't have it both ways. Probably needed to happen awhile ago but still all actions have reactions.

What's always seemed weird to me is the weather, geology, vegetation is roughly the same on both sides of the border for a considerable distance. The only difference is the politics.
Why is it so difficult to make a buck on one side that they fence-hop, then 20 miles later life is better?
Even while trespassing for their whole life while here...
Mexico must really suck.
 

DeezerShoove » 30 Jan 2025, 11:00 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jan 2025, 11:00 pm

What's always seemed weird to me is the weather, geology, vegetation is roughly the same on both sides of the border for a considerable distance. The only difference is the politics.
Why is it so difficult to make a buck on one side that they fence-hop, then 20 miles later life is better?
Even while trespassing for their whole life while here...
Mexico must really suck.

valid point. Their economy has been improving greatly but still long ways to go. There used to be virtually no middle class there. Either rich or dirt poor and starving. Now, in the cities they have a small but consistent middle class. 

righteous » 30 Jan 2025, 9:01 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Jan 2025, 9:01 pm

AS I SAID IN MY EARLIER POST THERE IS A WAY FOR FARMERS TO HIRE AMERICAN WORKERS FOR HIGHER WAGES.
IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE WORST FOREIGN POLICIES OF ANY COUNTRY, GOVERNMENT COULD END OUR GENEROSITY TO THE 100 COUNTRIES IT GIVES NON-REPAYABLE FUNDING TO.  THEY COULD USE A FRACTION OF THE FUNDS FOR FARMER SUBSIDIES. TAKE FOR EXAMPLE THE 300 BILLION SENT TO UKRAINE. OVER FIFTY PERCENT OF IT ALONE IS USED FOR ITS ECONOMY, TO PAY WAGES AND BENEFITS.  THIS IS INSANITY

I would be ok with such an arrangement. Just warning you, it would be messy and take quite a while. In the long term, would work great IMO. Short term.. messy and everyone complaining even when they know nothing about the nuts and bolts of it. 

Sumela » 29 Jan 2025, 2:11 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jan 2025, 2:11 pm

Become an illegal employee of an Oligarch's Corp....then youll be fine.

beat me to it

  I just came here to say the same thing 

Mrkelly » 31 Jan 2025, 1:54 pm » wrote: ↑

31 Jan 2025, 1:54 pm

beat me to it

  I just came here to say the same thing

Trumpy is only deporting the NO LONGER needed overflow.

Cheap labor is a valuable commodity.  Just like most things,

the Empire drains what it needs and **** the rest.