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@FOS  @LowIQTrash  @Sumela  
I know I am biased, but I am still not convinced that the Jews didn't have a part to play in their history of persecution. Look at the reasons that Chatgpt gave. It never narrowed down why they had this reputation. 

Me: What is the primary reason why Jews have been discriminated against over the thousands of years?

Chatgpt:The primary reason Jews have faced discrimination over thousands of years is their distinct religious, cultural, and ethnic identity, which set them apart in societies that often valued uniformity. However, the specific causes of antisemitism have evolved over time, adapting to the dominant ideologies of different historical periods. Here are the key reasons why Jews have been repeatedly targeted:1. Religious Differences and Scapegoating (Ancient & Medieval Periods)

• Early Christian Antisemitism: Christian teachings, especially after the Roman Empire adopted Christianity, blamed Jews for the death of Jesus, labeling them as "Christ-killers." This led to widespread hostility and exclusion.
• Forced Conversions & Expulsions: Jews were often seen as heretics and were forced to convert to Christianity or Islam in many societies. Those who refused were expelled (e.g., Spain in 1492) or faced severe persecution.
• Scapegoating for Plagues and Disasters: Jews were frequently blamed for natural disasters and crises. For example, during the Black Death (1347-1351), many Jews were accused of poisoning wells and were massacred.

2. Economic Stereotypes and Social Resentment

• Moneylending and Financial Myths: In medieval Europe, Jews were often restricted from land ownership and most professions. Many became moneylenders because Christian doctrine prohibited usury (lending with interest). This led to negative stereotypes of Jews as greedy and exploitative, which were later weaponized by antisemitic movements.
• Debt Forgiveness and Expulsions: Kings and rulers often borrowed money from Jewish lenders and then expelled them or incited pogroms to avoid repayment.

3. Nationalism and Racial Antisemitism (19th-20th Century)

• Jews as “Foreigners”: As European nations developed strong national identities in the 18th and 19th centuries, Jews were often seen as outsiders who could never fully assimilate.
• Racial Theories and Conspiracies: The 19th century saw the rise of pseudo-scientific racism, which framed Jews as a distinct, inferior, or dangerous race rather than just a religious group. This culminated in ideas like those in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Nazi racial ideology.
• Blame for Economic and Social Problems: In times of crisis (e.g., the Great Depression), Jews were scapegoated as manipulators of the economy, leading to violent antisemitic movements like Nazi Germany.

4. Political and Religious Power Struggles

• Conflicts with Christian and Muslim Rulers: Jewish communities often found themselves caught between warring factions. Rulers sometimes protected Jews for economic reasons but later turned on them under public pressure.
• Zionism and Anti-Jewish Backlash: The movement for a Jewish homeland, Zionism, led to new forms of antisemitism in the 20th century, with some accusing Jews of dual loyalty or conspiracy to dominate world affairs.

ConclusionJewish persecution has no single cause but is rooted in a combination of religious intolerance, economic scapegoating, nationalism, and conspiracy theories that have adapted to different historical contexts. The resilience of Jewish communities despite these persecutions has also contributed to ongoing tensions, as they have often rebuilt and thrived even after being targeted.

 
 

Me:  A lot of religions have been persecuted against. Why are Jews the most consistent target?

ChatGPT said:Jews have been a uniquely persistent target of discrimination for thousands of years due to a combination of factors that make their situation different from other persecuted groups. While many religious or ethnic groups have faced persecution, the persistence and adaptability of antisemitism across different cultures and historical periods set it apart. Below are the main reasons why Jews have been consistently targeted:

1. Longstanding Minority Status in Host Societies

• Unlike many other religious or ethnic groups that assimilated or disappeared over time, Jews maintained a distinct identity while living as minorities in various societies.
• Their refusal to convert en masse to dominant religions (Christianity, Islam, etc.) made them a continuous target of suspicion and exclusion.
• Because Jews were dispersed (the Diaspora), they had no central homeland for most of history, making them vulnerable wherever they lived.

2. Religious Exclusivity and Perceived "Otherness"

• Unlike many other religious groups that converted or assimilated into surrounding cultures, Judaism remained a distinct and non-proselytizing faith.
• This made Jews seem separate and resistant to the dominant culture, fueling suspicion and myths about Jewish loyalty.
• Christian and Islamic societies often viewed Jews as heretics or infidels who rejected their religious truths, making them scapegoats for religious conflicts.

3. Economic Roles and Scapegoating

• Because Jews were often barred from land ownership and many professions, they gravitated toward commerce, trade, finance, and medicine—jobs that were sometimes resented by the broader population.
• Medieval European laws forbade Christians from lending money with interest (usury), leaving Jews as some of the only moneylenders, leading to resentment and false stereotypes about Jewish financial control.
• Rulers sometimes relied on Jewish financiers and advisors but would later expel them or incite violence against them to avoid repaying debts.
• Economic downturns often led to Jews being scapegoated for poverty, inflation, or financial crises (e.g., the Great Depression leading to Nazi propaganda).

4. Nationalism and the Rise of Racial Antisemitism

• In the 19th and 20th centuries, religious-based antisemitism evolved into racial antisemitism, where Jews were not just seen as a religious group but as an alien race that could never truly belong.
• As nationalism grew in Europe, Jews were portrayed as a stateless, disloyal people, accused of plotting global control (The Protocols of the Elders of Zion).
• Jews were falsely blamed for both capitalism and communism, fueling hatred from multiple political sides.

5. Jews as a Perpetual Scapegoat

• Jews were blamed for the Black Death (1347-1351), supposedly poisoning wells, leading to massacres across Europe.
• They were accused of controlling governments, banks, and media in modern times, leading to conspiracy theories.
• When societies faced crises—economic collapse, war, or political instability—Jews were often the most convenient group to blame.

6. Lack of a Homeland Until 1948

• Unlike other persecuted groups, Jews had no state to retreat to for safety for nearly 2,000 years.
• This made them a vulnerable minority everywhere they lived, unable to mobilize military or political power for self-defense.
• Even after Israel’s establishment in 1948, antisemitism persisted, evolving into new forms, including anti-Zionism that often veers into classic antisemitic tropes.

 
 

Vegas » 13 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

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@FOS  @LowIQTrash  @Sumela  
I know I am biased, but I am still not convinced that the Jews didn't have a part to play in their history of persecution. Look at the reasons that Chatgpt gave. It never narrowed down why they had this reputation. 

Me: What is the primary reason why Jews have been discriminated against over the thousands of years?

I haven't tried DeepSeek yet but I would be amused at how they (the Chinese) would answer these questions
 

LowIQTrash » 8 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

8 minutes ago

I haven't tried DeepSeek yet but I would be amused at how they (the Chinese) would answer these questions

Good question. I haven't used it either. Here is my last question. I just can't believe that a group of people can be kicked out of that many countries and be 100% innocent. 


Me:  Were the Jews ever the antagonists that would justify their persecution?

No, Jews were never collectively antagonists in any way that would justify their persecution. The repeated cycles of antisemitism throughout history have been based on myths, conspiracy theories, economic scapegoating, and religious intolerance rather than any genuine wrongdoing by the Jewish people as a whole. However, in some cases, antisemitic narratives have painted Jews as villains based on misunderstandings, economic resentment, or fabricated accusations.Reasons Why Jews Were Wrongly Perceived as "Antagonists"

1. Religious Differences and Theological Accusations
   • Early Christians blamed Jews for the death of Jesus (deicide accusation), even though the crucifixion was a Roman execution.
   • Jews' refusal to convert to Christianity or Islam was often seen as defiance rather than religious self-preservation.
   • The Blood Libel (false accusations that Jews kidnapped Christian children for rituals) fueled violence, despite being completely baseless.
2. Economic Resentment and Scapegoating
   • Medieval Europe restricted Jews from land ownership and most trades, pushing them into finance and moneylending, which Christians were often forbidden to do.
   • As a result, Jews were blamed for economic hardships and debts, leading to their expulsion or mass killings.
   • In modern times, conspiracy theories falsely accused Jews of controlling banks and manipulating world events.
3. Nationalism and "Foreignness"
   • As nationalism rose in Europe in the 19th century, Jews were viewed as "outsiders" who could never be fully loyal citizens.
   • Despite fighting in wars for their home countries (e.g., Jewish soldiers in WWI Germany), Jews were still accused of disloyalty.
4. Communist and Capitalist Blame
   • In Soviet Russia, Jews were accused of being capitalist exploiters.
   • In Nazi Germany, Jews were blamed for communism (the “Judeo-Bolshevik” myth).
   • The irony is that Jews were blamed for both capitalism and communism, depending on the narrative that best suited the persecutors.
5. Political and Social Upheaval
   • When societies faced turmoil (wars, economic depressions, plagues), Jews were an easy scapegoat.
   • The Black Death (1347-1351) led to massacres of Jews after they were falsely accused of poisoning wells.
6. Zionism and the Anti-Jewish Backlash
   • The movement for a Jewish homeland was seen by some as a threat to European national identity, leading to increased antisemitic rhetoric.

Were Jews Ever an Organized Threat?

• Historically, Jews have not been responsible for instigating large-scale conflicts or conspiracies.
• Jewish communities were often politically weak minorities, not in a position to threaten dominant societies.
• Most Jewish responses to persecution were passive, involving migration, cultural perseverance, or occasional self-defense.

ConclusionJews were persecuted due to false accusations, scapegoating, religious prejudice, and conspiracy theories—not because of actual wrongdoing. The pattern of persecution followed societal needs to find a convenient enemy during times of crisis, rather than any justified grievance against Jews themselves.

 

Vegas » Today, 4:59 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 4:59 pm

Good question. I haven't used it either. Here is my last question. I just can't believe that a group of people can be kicked out of that many countries and be 100% innocent. 

Me:  Were the Jews ever the antagonists that would justify their persecution?

[<Sam Altman>] is a tribe member 

LOL

Apparently ChatGPT required billions in funding but the Chinese built DeepSeek w/ a fraction of resources
 

LowIQTrash » Today, 4:55 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 4:55 pm

I haven't tried DeepSeek yet but I would be amused at how they (the Chinese) would answer these questions

it doesnt

Vegas » Today, 4:45 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 4:45 pm

@FOS  @LowIQTrash  @Sumela  
I know I am biased, but I am still not convinced that the Jews didn't have a part to play in their history of persecution. Look at the reasons that Chatgpt gave. It never narrowed down why they had this reputation. 

Me: What is the primary reason why Jews have been discriminated against over the thousands of years?

chatgpt has been specifically programmed to give responses like this rather than doing normal ai stuff 

Vegas » Today, 4:45 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 4:45 pm

@FOS  @LowIQTrash  @Sumela  
I know I am biased, but I am still not convinced that the Jews didn't have a part to play in their history of persecution. Look at the reasons that Chatgpt gave. It never narrowed down why they had this reputation. 

Me: What is the primary reason why Jews have been discriminated against over the thousands of years?

up to recently, before zion they were treated unfairly. paul blamed  them for the crucifixion of Jesus.

jerrab » 25 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

25 minutes ago

up to recently, before zion they were treated unfairly. paul blamed  them for the crucifixion of Jesus.

No one really knows what happened back then. All we have are writings by old men who sat around eating cheese and drinking wine who thought men could walk on water!

Vegas » Today, 4:45 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 4:45 pm

@FOS  @LowIQTrash  @Sumela  
I know I am biased, but I am still not convinced that the Jews didn't have a part to play in their history of persecution. Look at the reasons that Chatgpt gave. It never narrowed down why they had this reputation. 

Me: What is the primary reason why Jews have been discriminated against over the thousands of years?

RESEARCH THE EARLY HISTORY OF THE KHAZARIANS. YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY THERE IS SUCH HATRED OF THE JEW THAT NEVER FADED.
YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THEIR DEEP-ROOTED CONNECTION WITH ENGLAND. 
HERE ARE SOME LINKS. I HAVE MANY MORE. 
YOU'LL LEARN THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THEY WERE AND WHAT THEY BECAME THOUSANDS OF YEARS LATER

THE BEGINNING:
   Khazarians became known to surrounding countries as thieves, murderers, road bandits, and for assuming the identities of those travelers they murdered as a normal occupational practice and way of life.

KHAZARIAN CABAL: The Most Vicious and Vile, Wicked and Evil, Cruel and Ruthless, Vengeful and Vindictive, Rapacious and Avaricious, Violent and Savage, Predatory and Parasitic, Pillaging and Plundering, Raping and Ravaging Terrorist Group–EVER!!! | SOTN: Alternative News, Analysis & Commentary



Hidden History of the Incredibly Evil Khazarian Mafia | Covert Geopolitics
 

Vegas » Today, 4:46 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 4:46 pm

Me:  A lot of religions have been persecuted against. Why are Jews the most consistent target?

because they killed jesus.

righteous » 27 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

27 minutes ago

TAKE NOTE: THE KHAZARIAN JEW IS NOT A SEMITE. THE REAL SEMITES HAVE ARABIC DNA.

RESEARCH THE EARLY HISTORY OF THE KHAZARIANS. YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHY THERE IS SUCH HATRED OF THE JEW THAT NEVER FADED.
YOU'LL UNDERSTAND THEIR DEEP-ROOTED CONNECTION WITH ENGLAND. 
HERE ARE SOME LINKS. I HAVE MANY MORE. 
YOU'LL LEARN THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THEY WERE AND WHAT THEY BECAME THOUSANDS OF YEARS LATER

THE BEGINNING:
   Khazarians became known to surrounding countries as thieves, murderers, road bandits, and for assuming the identities of those travelers they murdered as a normal occupational practice and way of life.

KHAZARIAN CABAL: The Most Vicious and Vile, Wicked and Evil, Cruel and Ruthless, Vengeful and Vindictive, Rapacious and Avaricious, Violent and Savage, Predatory and Parasitic, Pillaging and Plundering, Raping and Ravaging Terrorist Group–EVER!!! | SOTN: Alternative News, Analysis & Commentary

Hidden History of the Incredibly Evil Khazarian Mafia | Covert Geopolitics

Thank you, sir.  I only read the Veterans Today source as I trust and respect VT.

Bibi....“If we get caught they will just replace us with persons of the same cloth. So it doesn’t matter what you do, America is a Golden Calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the World’s biggest welfare state that we will create and control. Why? Because it’s god’s will and America is big enough to take the hit so we can do it again, again and again. This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly and make them suffer for refusing to be our slaves.”

This secret recording has been confirmed and validated.
So sad to see Trumpy blowing Bibi so hard.
 

Sumela » 8 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

8 minutes ago

Thank you, sir.  I only read the Veterans Today source as I trust and respect VT.

Bibi....“If we get caught they will just replace us with persons of the same cloth. So it doesn’t matter what you do, America is a Golden Calf and we will suck it dry, chop it up, and sell it off piece by piece until there is nothing left but the World’s biggest welfare state that we will create and control. Why? Because it’s god’s will and America is big enough to take the hit so we can do it again, again and again. This is what we do to countries that we hate. We destroy them very slowly and make them suffer for refusing to be our slaves.”

This secret recording has been confirmed and validated.
So sad to see Trumpy blowing Bibi so hard.

HAVEN'T SEEN THAT PASSAGE
THANK YOU FOR THAT BRO
MINDBLOWING!
WHERE THERE IS WEALTH AND/OR CONTROL, THERE IS A KHAZARIAN DECENDANT
TRUMP TOOK THE BAIT AS A YOUNG BUSINESSMEN AS DID HIS FATHER
 

jerrab » Today, 9:07 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 9:07 pm

up to recently, before zion they were treated unfairly. paul blamed  them for the crucifixion of Jesus.

Sir....1 Thessalonians, chapter 2

13For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. 14For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

 
 

FOS » Today, 8:41 pm » wrote: ↑

Today, 8:41 pm

chatgpt has been specifically programmed to give responses like this rather than doing normal ai stuff 

Among his answers are easily confirmable falsehoods...like that jews were restricted from owning land. You can go look up land owned by jews in the middle ages. That is just an urban legend based on nothing. 

And when it says things like 'collectively antagonists' i imagine the idea is that not every jew was involved in such behavior (even if all the ones involved on that behavior happened to be jews and doing it for the Jewish race)

The Synagogue of Satan...Revelations 3:9...

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie — behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 
 

righteous » 30 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

30 minutes ago

HAVEN'T SEEN THAT PASSAGE
THANK YOU FOR THAT BRO
MINDBLOWING!
WHERE THERE IS WEALTH AND/OR CONTROL, THERE IS A KHAZARIAN DECENDANT
TRUMP TOOK THE BAIT AS A YOUNG BUSINESSMEN AS DID HIS FATHER

The quote was in the Veterans Today link/story.  LOL, a really long piece.  VT is trusted, respected.

I prefer what the Bible says...
Revelation...the book about end times...Rev 3:9:

''Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan,
who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—
I will make them come and bow down before your feet,
and make them know that I have loved you.''

Who else demands to be called "Jews" in this day?  Fake Israeli "jews".

I am open to discussion,,,,

 

Sumela » 32 minutes ago » wrote: ↑

32 minutes ago

The quote was in the Veterans Today link/story.  LOL, a really long piece.  VT is trusted, respected.

I prefer what the Bible says...
Revelation...the book about end times...Rev 3:9:

''Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan,
who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie—
I will make them come and bow down before your feet,
and make them know that I have loved you.''

Who else demands to be called "Jews" in this day?  Fake Israeli "jews".

I am open to discussion,,,,

THE AMERICAN JEW ARE THE FAKE JEWS, NOT SEMITIC. MOST AMERICANS IN OTHER FAITHS ARE UNAWARE OF THIS.THE GENTILE HAS BEEN PROGRAMMED TO FEEL SORRY FOR THE FAKE JEW WHEN CRIMES ARE COMMITTED AGAINST THEM.
THE REAL SEMITES ARE LOOKED DOWN UPON IN AMERICAN CULTURE.
THE ORIGINAL ISRAELITES WHO ALSO WERE SEMITES WERE OF A BLACK RACE