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Why do we even need an ATF?  Alcohol, Tobacco and firearms are LEGAL. If anyone commits a crime with any of these things, the FBI can arrest them. Do away with the ATF.

PhiloBeddo » 23 Feb 2025, 11:15 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2025, 11:15 am

Why do we even need an ATF?  Alcohol, Tobacco and firearms are LEGAL. If anyone commits a crime with any of these things, the FBI can arrest them. Do away with the ATF.

We need them to kill Branch Davidians and shoot mother's as they hold their babies.

PhiloBeddo » 23 Feb 2025, 11:15 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2025, 11:15 am

Why do we even need an ATF?  Alcohol, Tobacco and firearms are LEGAL. If anyone commits a crime with any of these things, the FBI can arrest them. Do away with the ATF.

To do away with BATFE, you would need to do away with the National Firearms Act.  I'm all for this.  Machine guns silencers, etc. should be treated like ordinary guns. Easy to purchase for adult citizens who are not violent convicted felons.

Also, tobacco is not really what it was in the past.  Alcohol should be regulated on a state-by-state basis.  And, explosives can also be regulated and controlled by individual states.

The main thing BATFE does is administer the National Firearms Act and subsequent laws restricting our gun rights.  It is an agency set up specifically to violate the 2nd Amendment - infringe on gun rights of "the people".
 

Skans » 23 Feb 2025, 12:34 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2025, 12:34 pm

To do away with BATFE, you would need to do away with the National Firearms Act.  I'm all for this.  Machine guns silencers, etc. should be treated like ordinary guns. Easy to purchase for adult citizens who are not violent convicted felons.

Also, tobacco is not really what it was in the past.  Alcohol should be regulated on a state-by-state basis.  And, explosives can also be regulated and controlled by individual states.

The main thing BATFE does is administer the National Firearms Act and subsequent laws restricting our gun rights.  It is an agency set up specifically to violate the 2nd Amendment - infringe on gun rights of "the people".

So do-gooder assholes prohibit alcohol...
People, of course, do NOT stop drinking.

Opportunity to make money creates criminal organizations big and violent enough to warrant-
    you guessed it:  The National Firearms Act.

Prohibition is mercifully repealed and, of course, the National Firearms Act is not.
Shades of the Commerce Clause, folks (probably the most misused set of laws and regs out there).

DeezerShoove » 23 Feb 2025, 6:30 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2025, 6:30 pm

So do-gooder assholes prohibit alcohol...
People, of course, do NOT stop drinking.

Opportunity to make money creates criminal organizations big and violent enough to warrant-
    you guessed it:  The National Firearms Act.

Prohibition is mercifully repealed and, of course, the National Firearms Act is not.
Shades of the Commerce Clause, folks (probably the most misused set of laws and regs out there).

You summed it up fairly well.  However, part of the anti-alcohol movement was rooted in anti-immigration.  Alcohol consumption and drunkenness was associated with the "trouble-making" Germans, Irish and Italians. I'm not saying any of this is true, just the perception at the time.

I am as anti-NFA as anyone. Coupled with the Hughes Amendment, it is the single-most infringement of the 2nd Amendment.