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I am not suggesting that Ukraine should become part of Russia. I hope Ukraine can find peace. I am well aware of Russia/Putin broken promises, invasion, and broken treaties over the last 3 years. If the U.S. or anyone else was going to stop Russia/Putin it should have been done at the start of the invasion ... no one did. We all let things get to today.

... $360 Billion and 3 years later ... and I'm not seeing an end in sight ... if you do, please enlighten me.

... The reality is Ukraine is running out of people who can fight, and they will need more equipment ... Russia has more people to draw on and can manufacture a lot more military equipment than Ukraine. Unless Europe and the U.S. puts boots in Ukraine ... Ukraine cannot win... Ukraine needs peace in order to continue to be a country.
... Ukraine needs to quit living in the past ... Ukraine wants to complain that Russia is mean and evil at a time when in order to survive, today what Ukraine needs is a peace treaty now. The Europe countries have already said that they will provide and ensure a security force for Ukraine ... Ukraine needs a peace treaty done and then move in the Europe peace keeping forces quickly ... Diplomacy is Ukraine's only chance now.
For some reason Ukraine feels debating Trump in the Oval Office is a great idea ...
in fairness Russia's economy is in the toilet. Their inflation is around 20%, ---jobs are hard to find, unrest is starting to develop ... but I'm not counting on a major shift within the Russia/Putin views on Ukraine. 

NEILCAR » 02 Mar 2025, 4:13 am » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2025, 4:13 am

I am not suggesting that Ukraine should become part of Russia. I hope Ukraine can find peace. I am well aware of Russia/Putin broken promises, invasion, and broken treaties over the last 3 years. If the U.S. or anyone else was going to stop Russia/Putin it should have been done at the start of the invasion ... no one did. We all let things get to today.

... $360 Billion and 3 years later ... and I'm not seeing an end in sight ... if you do, please enlighten me.

... The reality is Ukraine is running out of people who can fight, and they will need more equipment ... Russia has more people to draw on and can manufacture a lot more military equipment than Ukraine. Unless Europe and the U.S. puts boots in Ukraine ... Ukraine cannot win... Ukraine needs peace in order to continue to be a country.
... Ukraine needs to quit living in the past ... Ukraine wants to complain that Russia is mean and evil at a time when in order to survive, today what Ukraine needs is a peace treaty now. The Europe countries have already said that they will provide and ensure a security force for Ukraine ... Ukraine needs a peace treaty done and then move in the Europe peace keeping forces quickly ... Diplomacy is Ukraine's only chance now.
For some reason Ukraine feels debating Trump in the Oval Office is a great idea ...
in fairness Russia's economy is in the toilet. Their inflation is around 20%, ---jobs are hard to find, unrest is starting to develop ... but I'm not counting on a major shift within the Russia/Putin views on Ukraine.

So throw up the white Flag and Suck Putin's Ball's?

I am sorry to be Frank or Francine.  Whatever the phook love of oligawky pills you are taking, please try to curb the appetite.

I guess you're gonna tell us the Tate Brothers leave a Good Taste in your mouth too?

Have you ever heard Freedom isn't Free?


You provided inspiration for Sunday Morning Quantum Guru Church Music..  Best Day N..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rynxqdNMry4

 

We kilt that city.. Now we gotta built it..

GAZA - Elder Care Facility for Vampire Dictators and associated Oligawks..  

ROCK and TROLL!   I am anticipating GAZAillions of Memes of Trump Towers at the Gaza Plaza... It will be a MEARacle if Elon can suppress them all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1b8AhIsSYQ

 
 

Zelenskyy wants the war to keep going. When it stops he stops getting paid. The war is a total cash cow for him.

JohnnyYou » 02 Mar 2025, 4:23 am » wrote: ↑

02 Mar 2025, 4:23 am

So throw up the white Flag and Suck Putin's Ball's?

I am sorry to be Frank or Francine.  Whatever the phook love of oligawky pills you are taking, please try to curb the appetite.

I guess you're gonna tell us the Tate Brothers leave a Good Taste in your mouth too?

Have you ever heard Freedom isn't Free?

You provided inspiration for Sunday Morning Quantum Guru Church Music..  Best Day N..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rynxqdNMry4

What is really going on in Ukraine.  For over 300 years Russia has wanted, desired, dreamed of having a port that doesn't freeze over in the Winter.  The have always coveted a port that doesn't freeze and any land with good roads to and from Moscow to that port.  (and they want another one).  That is what's going on in Ukraine.

No one thinks Ukraine can win the war... and after 3 years, Europe nor the U.S. do not seem willing to put boots on the ground in Ukraine during this war.
Ukraine can't win the war by-themselves.  It is now a war of attrition, and Gen. Grant during the Civil War, and Gen. Eisenhower during WWII have demonstrated how a war of Attrition works.

In the real world ...People need to realize that Ukraine has already lost about 20% of their country.  One can take the high ground and say Ukraine doesn't want to give up 20% of their country.  The reality is Russia/Putin has already taken it AND the U.S. and Europe allowed it to happen.  You can also make the case that we shouldn't reward aggression ... but the entire world has already done so ... that ship has sailed.  (We lost Viet Nam, and the world is still here, we lost Afghanistan and the world is still here ... I have a feeling losing Ukraine and the world will still be here).  

I know you want me to care about Ukraine, but I really do not.  They didn't hire my children and throw a boat load of money at them.  I am not aware of my family tree being full of people from the Ukraine region. I am getting tired of Billions of $$$ going down a dry hole when I think U.S. Taxpayers' money might be better served in help the homeless Veterans.  Look I want Ukraine to survive and get a Peace Deal, but if they don't ... other than grain prices being slightly higher ... I'm not sure I would notice any difference ... 

In order for Ukraine to continue to exist they must get a peace treaty and fast.  After the Peace Treaty is in place then quickly the European Troops Peace Keeping Troops need to go into Ukraine.  If Ukraine doesn't want a Peace Deal by the U.S. ... then they need to find a Peace Deal some place ... fast. 

Everyone needs to realize Russia/Putin will not negotiate away that warm water port and the lands with good roads to and from... 

Today all European Nations are supporting Ukraine ... However, if a Peace Deal is finalized, they will come the U.S. to help out ...