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Musk and Trump both are not big fans of NATO. However, it's good to weigh the pros/cons. 

Pros of Leaving NATO

1. Reduced Financial Burden – The U.S. contributes the largest share to NATO’s budget, and leaving would free up billions of dollars for domestic priorities.
2. Avoiding Entanglements – NATO’s collective defense policy (Article 5) could drag the U.S. into conflicts that may not directly serve its interests.

Cons of Leaving NATO

                1. Increased Security Threats – Without NATO, the U.S. could face greater security risks, as adversaries like Russia and China may feel emboldened                       to challenge Western interests.
                2. Economic and Trade Consequences – NATO fosters economic stability and strong trade relationships. A U.S. exit could strain diplomatic ties and                         impact defense industry profits.
 
 

The US contributes 68% of NATO's defense. That is 860 billion dollars. That is a lot of money saved. 

Vegas » 03 Mar 2025, 4:58 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Mar 2025, 4:58 pm

Musk and Trump both are not big fans of NATO. However, it's good to weigh the pros/cons. 

Pros of Leaving NATO

1. Reduced Financial Burden – The U.S. contributes the largest share to NATO’s budget, and leaving would free up billions of dollars for domestic priorities.
2. Avoiding Entanglements – NATO’s collective defense policy (Article 5) could drag the U.S. into conflicts that may not directly serve its interests.

Cons of Leaving NATO

                1. Increased Security Threats – Without NATO, the U.S. could face greater security risks, as adversaries like Russia and China may feel emboldened                       to challenge Western interests.
                2. Economic and Trade Consequences – NATO fosters economic stability and strong trade relationships. A U.S. exit could strain diplomatic ties and                         impact defense industry profits.
 
 

Your short sighted intellect really doesn't understand long term evolving in plain sight with logistics without a tomorrow possible.

Zelensky and Biden will just keep butt **** each other in the mouth!

We have Nukes. We can never be conquered.

31stArrival » 03 Mar 2025, 5:43 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Mar 2025, 5:43 pm

Your short sighted intellect really doesn't understand long term evolving in plain sight with logistics without a tomorrow possible.

**** you ya goddamn babbling idiot.

PhiloBeddo » 03 Mar 2025, 6:13 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Mar 2025, 6:13 pm

We have Nukes. We can never be conquered.

Fake news.

murdock » 03 Mar 2025, 6:15 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Mar 2025, 6:15 pm

**** you ya goddamn babbling idiot.

When is eternal life actually possible? Limited to living as eternally separated now so that ancestries exist exactly as inception to conception of next generations overlapping as inhabiting space in current populations of the food chain native to one universal position so far.

this principle covers every principal of reasonable doubt used to govern tomorrow 24/7 dawn to dawn 365 or 366 days a year total sum of the past working current events each rotation forward until each lifetime conceived dies one at a time, one generation, one ancestral lineage, one species, one planetary food chain.

Spontaneously alive is a series of events combined in combinations of everything adapting as displaced now. Simultaneously existing here is each exists in a parallel time inhabiting space currently here in ever changing total sum remaining in plain sight regardless each lifetime accepts it or not.

Time existing as kinetic results with the potential of anything else is possible tomorrow while evolving keeps everything here nothing the same details again functioning the same way regardless which universal position is the issue or topic of debating now cannot be eternity in the minds of people wishing for better tomorrows cradle to grave.

Specific gravity, self evident results corrupted intellectually by context communicating ideas between current populations present. God created heavens and earth in 6 days and humanity corrupts every ancestor with 6 degrees of separation every 3 generation gaps with 5 generations living at the same time.

Which two are the extreme ends and which 3 are middle class people regardless race, creed, color, national origin, gender, generation gap, male, female asexual body type single cell or homo sapiens, snowflakes to chromosomes?

16 great great grandparents and each great great grandchild. 14 lifetimes between the two extremes are 8 great grandparents, 4 grandparents 2 conceiving each great great grandchild. Siblings and cousins are each great great grandchildren added one at a time daily, aunts, uncles, second cousins.

Series parallel evolving in the specific order of inhabiting space now. Self evident truths with chromosomes backing up all my gibberish.

People cannot legislate morality if they have no sense of proportion living without understanding eternally separated now in plain sight.

PhiloBeddo » 03 Mar 2025, 6:13 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Mar 2025, 6:13 pm

We have Nukes. We can never be conquered.

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Upside

Europe and Canada will have to start paying for their own national security

We will save a ton of money


Downside

A reduced supply of eastern European women for American men

NATO would be less apt to assume they are in control without the US firmly in the club.
No doubt we would come to their aid as deemed necessary by the situation at hand.

But with the US obligation gone to defend any and all, plus the lack of a major financier, NATO would shrink closer to its original mission (which seems to have been lost in time anyway...).

We, as a country, need to consider our true role in the world. Just like NATO.

Mrkelly » 04 Mar 2025, 8:07 am » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2025, 8:07 am

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yep, enough to do some major damage...  
 

Mrkelly » 04 Mar 2025, 8:07 am » wrote: ↑

04 Mar 2025, 8:07 am

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China only has 500? I thought they had way more.