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Many will say yes. Many will say no. Let's first post some facts. There are a lot more than what I quoted, but I want to specifically focus on how it funded more impoverished area schools that otherwise would have been neglected by the states. The truthful answer to whether or not the DOE made things worse or better is impossible to know. Before the DOE, there was no way of doing any national ranking to compare us to the rest of the world. The DOE made that possible. However, the results were not pretty. 

Is this because the DOE made it worse or did the DOE just expose what was already in place? 

• Before the DOE, education policy was primarily determined by states and local school districts with minimal federal oversight.
• The DOE streamlined and centralized federal education funding to ensure that schools—especially those in underprivileged areas—received financial support.
• Examples include Title I funding (which helps schools serving low-income students) and special education funding through the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA).
• he DOE administers federal student loans, grants, and work-study programs through FAFSA.
• Before this, college was far less accessible to lower-income students, as funding was left to states, private scholarships, and families.
• while education existed before the DOE, it was inconsistent and often inequitable across states. The DOE helped centralize funding, enforce civil rights laws, ensure data collection, and provide resources for disadvantaged students. However, many critics argue that education should remain a state and local issue rather than being influenced by federal bureaucracy.

I think this is a double-edged sword. On one hand, it allowed poorer areas more funding. On the other hand, it's usually the poor areas who are not academically proficient. Therefore, we included a mass of kids who incessantly score below average in the national ranking, where as before, they were not included. Thus, our national and world ranking has always been embarrassingly low. 
 

DOE is pretty much done....it's wasn't create to educate....it was created for social engineering



An evil Pedo=Prog idea created to do evil Pedo=Pro things....

nefarious101 » 07 Mar 2025, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 12:57 pm

DOE is pretty much done....it's wasn't create to educate....it was created for social engineering

An evil Pedo=Prog idea created to do evil Pedo=Pro things....

Not really. They don't take charge of curriculums. the states do that. They try to streamline funds so that all schools can have an equal amount of funding, not just the rich ones. It also opened up opportunities for special ed. The education part of it is actually mostly done by the states...mostly. 

Vegas » 07 Mar 2025, 12:04 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 12:04 pm

Many will say yes. Many will say no. Let's first post some facts. There are a lot more than what I quoted, but I want to specifically focus on how it funded more impoverished area schools that otherwise would have been neglected by the states. The truthful answer to whether or not the DOE made things worse or better is impossible to know. Before the DOE, there was no way of doing any national ranking to compare us to the rest of the world. The DOE made that possible. However, the results were not pretty. 

Is this because the DOE made it worse or did the DOE just expose what was already in place? 

I think this is a double-edged sword. On one hand, it allowed poorer areas more funding. On the other hand, it's usually the poor areas who are not academically proficient. Therefore, we included a mass of kids who incessantly score below average in the national ranking, where as before, they were not included. Thus, our national and world ranking has always been embarrassingly low.

You have poor students because you have poor teachers......I don't care how much money you waste on a broken process.

RebelGator » 07 Mar 2025, 1:06 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:06 pm

You have poor students because you have poor teachers......I don't care how much money you waste on a broken process.

Sort of. There are **** teachers in every school. There are also great teachers in every school. Irrelevant. 

Vegas » 07 Mar 2025, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:08 pm

Sort of. There are **** teachers in every school. There are also great teachers in every school. Irrelevant.

The percentage isn't irrelevant,  don't dismiss me like some dumb ***.

RebelGator » 07 Mar 2025, 1:10 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:10 pm

The percentage isn't irrelevant,  don't dismiss me like some dumb ***.

Well when you say stupid comments, then what do you expect? 

 

Vegas » 07 Mar 2025, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:11 pm

Well when you say stupid comments, then what do you expect?

What was stupid? It was a direct answer to your thread title.......you're hammering bv so hard, everything is looking like a nail to you.

RebelGator » 07 Mar 2025, 1:13 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:13 pm

What was stupid? It was a direct answer to your thread title.......you're hammering bv so hard, everything is looking like a nail to you.

You don't know how many **** teachers we have vs great teachers. Do you have some kind of magic metric that the rest of us don't have?

Vegas » 07 Mar 2025, 1:01 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:01 pm

Not really. They don't take charge of curriculums. the states do that. They try to streamline funds so that all schools can have an equal amount of funding, not just the rich ones. It also opened up opportunities for special ed. The education part of it is actually mostly done by the states...mostly.

well hopefully we will get to see if it was a good thing or not....by doing away with it.

Government has proven necessary....the people in charge of government aren't. 

As bad as government has been run I can't see them leaving a single department not completely corrupted to the core

In 2007 we were promised "Hope and Change"....2025 we finally got it!

Vegas » 07 Mar 2025, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:15 pm

You don't know how many **** teachers we have vs great teachers. Do you have some kind of magic metric that the rest of us don't have?

Yes, it's called statistical results.

Columbia just got $400 million in government funding cut

RebelGator » 07 Mar 2025, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:17 pm

Yes, it's called statistical results.

There are far more reasons to crappy performances than a **** teacher. Many schools have to deal with kids who are disruptive as hell. The parents don't care because they are also assholes. The admin doesn't care because they are too scared of the parents. The teachers and good students are stuck with them. It doesn't matter how great a teacher is. If punk *** kids are allowed to disrupt the classroom for 5 to 6 hrs a day, for 180 days, then nobody is learning anything. It's impossible. Do you think Trump would have been able to complete his speech address if Al Green was allowed to do his rant the whole time? 

it's the same thing.

Vegas » 07 Mar 2025, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:21 pm

There are far more reasons to crappy performances than a **** teacher. Many schools have to deal with kids who are disruptive as hell. The parents don't care because they are also assholes. The admin doesn't care because they are too scared of the parents. The teachers and good students are stuck with them. It doesn't matter how great a teacher is. If punk *** kids are allowed to disrupt the classroom for 5 to 6 hrs a day, for 180 days, then nobody is learning anything. It's impossible. Do you think Trump would have been able to complete his speech address if Al Green was allowed to do his rant the whole time? 

it's the same thing.

My point exactly, a good teacher would not allow a class room like that.

RebelGator » 07 Mar 2025, 1:24 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:24 pm

My point exactly, a good teacher would not allow a class room like that.

Did you not read a word I said? If the kids face no punishment, then will never listen to this great and wonderful teacher. They can wave around their magical 'behavioral management' wand all day. These kids do not give a ****, since there are no repercussions. 

Vegas » 07 Mar 2025, 1:27 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:27 pm

Did you not read a word I said? If the kids face no punishment, then will never listen to this great and wonderful teacher. They can wave around their magical 'behavioral management' wand all day. These kids do not give a ****, since there are no repercussions.

Your mind is closed......every school has resource officers assigned to them, a good teacher has the scum removed......it's just that frigging simple.

RebelGator » 07 Mar 2025, 1:32 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:32 pm

Your mind is closed......every school has resource officers assigned to them, a good teacher has the scum removed......it's just that frigging simple.

You clearly have no idea what is going in the schools. 

 

Vegas » 07 Mar 2025, 1:35 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:35 pm

You clearly have no idea what is going in the schools.

Maybe not in your neighborhood, but I do in mine.

RebelGator » 07 Mar 2025, 1:41 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Mar 2025, 1:41 pm

Maybe not in your neighborhood, but I do in mine.

No, you don't. Not even in your neighborhood. I know that because it's illegal for a school to remove a student from school based on non-violent behavioral issues. You can send them to the principal's office, but the law prevents the schools from removing them permanently. Unless their conduct is violence related. 

A full 1/3 of our population is Black and Brown

If you could set those groups aside before comparing the USA to other countries [that don't have nearly as many Blacks and Browns]...HOW DO WE LOOK THEN...?

A truth loving person wants to know....